Pats* pulling the ol' Lawyer Milloy trick possibly.

[Buffalo Beeeews]

Had former Bills RB Bryce Brown in for a workout Friday. This concerns me minimally,seeing how A.) Bryce was 4th string on the depth chart and B.) fumbled like it was a bodily function. Just my opinion. Any concern from other fans if he's signed?

[Kirby Jackson]

A little because I think that he is a better runner than anyone on their roster. In addition, he knows our playbook (although it's a little late in the game for that).

[stevestojan]

Does anyone who thinks cutting Bryce Brown was a bad move ever watch him play?

[Bangarang]

No concern at all

[boyst]

Don't we already have this thread?

 

I'm not worried about Bryce Brown, though I am sure the Patriots asked him about the Bills playbook.

[Captain_Quint]

The way he was released may have left him bitter, too. Go all the way through camp and preseason and then get cut when most teams have full rosters.

[PromoTheRobot]

The fumble issue is overblown. He fumbled a lot as a rookie. And sadly everyone knows the KC fumble. But he is a strong runner. Who knows how much useful info he can give the Pats**?

Edited September 19, 2015 by PromoTheRobot

[Buffalo Beeeews]

Don't we already have this thread?

 

I'm not worried about Bryce Brown, though I am sure the Patriots asked him about the Bills playbook.

If so, apologies. Hadn't came across a different one yet.

I find it sort of hilarious. Fear and desperation by doing this by the evil empire.

[John from Riverside]

So we are concerned that he is going to get signed right before the game and play

 

no....as a matter of fact I HOPE they do that

[Kirby Jackson]

I'll put it this way. I would MUCH rather have to defend Scott Chandler than Bryce Brown. Brown is a talented runner. I am not terrified of Bryce Brown or anything but he would be an improvement to that team and add some much needed speed.

[CountryCletus]

So we are concerned that he is going to get signed right before the game and play

 

no....as a matter of fact I HOPE they do that

Me too!!! We will straight up out execute them- I'm not worried

[Wayne Cubed]

Why would a player, who is in for a try out, give up plays? If he was signed then maybe he would, if he can remember them. Him knowing the plays is his bargaining chip.

[Nervous Guy]

Don't we already have this thread?

 

 

 

I dunno, ask beerball, ze's the expert.

[eball]

Aside from the fact Lawyer Milloy was a beloved star player this situation is identical.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Why would a player, who is in for a try out, give up plays? If he was signed then maybe he would, if he can remember them. Him knowing the plays is his bargaining chip.

I'm sure he would be "tipped" generously for the information on his way out the door. Seriously though, have any players ever commented on this practice? Teams bringing in players for a "try out" in order to get information about an opponent? Seems to me like it happens frequently, and is kind of just part of the game.

[artmalibu]

He is a better back than most around here think. But when a pro-bowl guy is brought in and a late round rookie exceeds expectations a decent guy doesent look too good.

[Dorkington]

I'm sure he would be "tipped" generously for the information on his way out the door. Seriously though, have any players ever commented on this practice? Teams bringing in players for a "try out" in order to get information about an opponent? Seems to me like it happens frequently, and is kind of just part of the game.

I wouldn't put it past the Pats to offer Brown a nice sum of cash in hand for a copy of the playbook, heh.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Absolutely no concern whatsoever! I it is not smart to let yourself become distracted and lose the mental game. This is very minor if at all.

[DerekJ]

I'm sure he would be "tipped" generously for the information on his way out the door. Seriously though, have any players ever commented on this practice? Teams bringing in players for a "try out" in order to get information about an opponent? Seems to me like it happens frequently, and is kind of just part of the game.

 

Follow-up question as to whether or not this practice has actually borne fruit? It seems to me that as this happens fairly regularly, someone would have data on this.

[Doc]

Unless they sign him, I doubt he'll give them anything.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

I'm quite sure Rex thought about all of this before letting him go, and would have had a plan in place had he thought is was an issue, a la Freddie to Seattle. Therefore, not too concerned.

[ddaryl]

Don't we already have this thread?

 

I'm not worried about Bryce Brown, though I am sure the Patriots asked him about the Bills playbook.

 

With Karlos looking like a stud in waiting, not concerned at all

 

I actually think its a positive sign for Whaley who won't hold onto a player just because he dealt for him.. He's not afraid to move on,

[eSJayDee]

As previous statistics/studies have shown, once/if he becomes a Patsie*, his fumbling issues will likely/largely disappear. (It's a lot easier holding onto a flat football.)

[John from Riverside]

 

With Karlos looking like a stud in waiting, not concerned at all

 

I actually think its a positive sign for Whaley who won't hold onto a player just because he dealt for him.. He's not afraid to move on,

The thing that is really exciting about Karlos WIlliams is he definately has room to get better

 

He hasnt even been a running back for that long.....he was a safety.

[The Frankish Reich]

Does anyone who thinks cutting Bryce Brown was a bad move ever watch him play?

Does anyone think that Bryce Brown actually studied the playbook? Unless the playbook consisted of "take handoff, take one step, immediately cut left, stop, try to break outside, then either (1) fumble ball, (2) get tackled for loss, or (3) (once every 40 carries) break free for 30 run gain."

[Manther]

The fumble issue is overblown. He fumbled a lot as a rookie. And sadly everyone knows the KC fumble. But he is a strong runner. Who knows how much useful info he can give the Pats**?

Agreed

[Solomon Grundy]

Hope they do sign him. Maybe he'll cough up a couple fumbles for us!!

[Chef Jim]

I wouldn't put it past the Pats to offer Brown a nice sum of cash in hand for a copy of the playbook, heh.

Where is he going to get a copy of the playbook? Also do you think he memorized anything about the plays where he was directly involved?

[GG]

The fumble issue is overblown. He fumbled a lot as a rookie. And sadly everyone knows the KC fumble. But he is a strong runner. Who knows how much useful info he can give the Pats**?

 

He also fumbled a bunch in camp & practice. He's also not known to be the sharpest tool, so whatever info he gives to the *, may actually turn to Bills' advantage.

[Kirby Jackson]

How did this fumble thing get so out of control? He fumbles about once out of every 57 touches. That certainly isn't great but by comparison Freddy fumbled about once out of every 59 and we never talked about his fumble issues.

[GG]

How did this fumble thing get so out of control? He fumbles about once out of every 57 touches. That certainly isn't great but by comparison Freddy fumbled about once out of every 59 and we never talked about his fumble issues.

 

I don't think it's a made up issue by the fans. Listen to the coaches.

 

“He has been careless with the football his whole career,” running backs coach Anthony Lynn said. “He’s gotten away with it. But now that defenses have caught up with offenses and ball security, they practice it every day. They’re more worried about taking the ball from you, than tackling you.”

 

[metzelaars_lives]

Does anyone who thinks cutting Bryce Brown was a bad move ever watch him play?

Is anyone in the 'Bryce Brown is utterly worthless' camp familiar with his background or see him play in college or his rookie season? Yes, we know he fumbled a few times and had a hard time getting going in a few games last year behind a completely incompetent line.

[Dragonborn10]

Did he even know the playbook?

[nucci]

Had former Bills RB Bryce Brown in for a workout Friday. This concerns me minimally,seeing how A.) Bryce was 4th string on the depth chart and B.) fumbled like it was a bodily function. Just my opinion. Any concern from other fans if he's signed?

Not even close...Milloy was a star player cut right before the season started. There is no comparison

[Kirby Jackson]

 

I don't think it's a made up issue by the fans. Listen to the coaches.

 

The point that I was making is that it isn't much different than Fred (every 57 touches vs. every 59) and we never trashed him about it. Stevan Ridley has the same reputation and I think that he is like every 75 touches. Sometimes our perception isn't really what reality is.

[filthymcnasty08]

"Oh…yeah coach BB…I got this one....so when they're in this formation, the RB is going to hit the A-gap, run clear to the end zone then fumble forward."

 

doomed

[MDH]

Had they signed Fred Jackson it would have been comparible to milloy, but Bryce Brown? How many carries has he had as a Bill?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I wouldn't put it past the Pats to offer Brown a nice sum of cash in hand for a copy of the playbook, heh.

 

That would be on us, then, since when a player is cut the equipment manager is supposed to collect his playbook and ipad and such.

 

But, they could certainly pay him to pick his brain for what he remembers, along the lines cited in the ESPN Article:

As much as the Patriots tried to keep the circle of those who knew about the taping small, sometimes the team would add recently cut players from upcoming opponents and pay them only to help decipher signals, former Patriots staffers say. In 2005, for instance, they signed a defensive player from a team they were going to play in the upcoming season. Before that game, the player was led to a room where Adams was waiting. They closed the door, and Adams played a compilation tape that matched the signals to the plays from the player's former team, and asked how many were accurate. "He had about 50 percent of them right," the player says now.

 

Obviously, it's no longer a question of defensive signals, but I can imagine Belichek trying to get more intel on what plays might be run from different defensive pre-snap looks and similar on offense.

 

I could be wrong, but if they were seriously interested in him as a player, I don't understand why they wouldn't bring him in right away.

Edited September 19, 2015 by Hopeful

[GG]

The point that I was making is that it isn't much different than Fred (every 57 touches vs. every 59) and we never trashed him about it. Stevan Ridley has the same reputation and I think that he is like every 75 touches. Sometimes our perception isn't really what reality is.

 

Yet the coaches have the same perception, and couple that with brain dead play on the field, you see why it's not a coincidence that he's still unemployed while Freddie got a phone call within one hour from the two SuperBowl teams.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

The point that I was making is that it isn't much different than Fred (every 57 touches vs. every 59) and we never trashed him about it. Stevan Ridley has the same reputation and I think that he is like every 75 touches. Sometimes our perception isn't really what reality is.

 

I understand your point with regard to actual fumbles (and actually Fred is a little worse per touch if you count in his ST fumbles).

 

I watched whatever I could of his play, though, and I think I see what was ticking off the coaches. His ball security is really very poor. He doesn't switch arms with the ball when a defender is approaching. When he's getting tackled, he doesn't bring his 2nd arm up to cradle and protect the ball. Keep that up and play enough that other teams get tape on it, and it's only a matter of time until the fumbles skyrocket. I expect what finally sent him to the Turk here is having been presumably given coaching on this point, then called out by Rex publically, and not addressing it.