Kirby Jackson Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 You went there as well? Class of 1999 This place is lousy with 'em...that and Williamsville public school grads. My family lives in Williamsville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Nichols middle school alum here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Here's the deal: If the Bills had just taken a shot in the dark and drafted La'el Collins in the 7th we could have avoided this mess. It all boils down to having your draft board in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Here's the deal: If the Bills had just taken a shot in the dark and drafted La'el Collins in the 7th we could have avoided this mess. It all boils down to having your draft board in order. It's literally been pointed out dozens of times that if Collins was drafted on day 3, his agent said he would sit out the year and enter the 2016 draft. By not being drafted, that option disappears. Yet individuals like yourself keep making an irrelevant point. Either you and they lack patience to read, cannot comprehend basic English and thought, or disbelieve the threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Class of 1999 My family lives in Williamsville Class of 79. My Mom also still lives in Williamsville in the house that I grew up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 It's literally been pointed out dozens of times that if Collins was drafted on day 3, his agent said he would sit out the year and enter the 2016 draft. By not being drafted, that option disappears. Yet individuals like yourself keep making an irrelevant point. Either you and they lack patience to read, cannot comprehend basic English and thought, or disbelieve the threat. Just because dozens have said it doesn't make it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 correct but the conversation is if he was drafted and didn't sign, he could enter 2016 draft Ahh, he's then he could of entered the 2016. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Just because dozens have said it doesn't make it wrong. Yes it does. every team passed on him because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyHorseAteTheKid Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Fingers Crossed on this one!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Buffalo Wings Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Just because dozens have said it doesn't make it wrong. He's saying dozens of people have explained why no one drafted him...even in the 7th round. It is possible that a team could have drafted him in the...5th-7th round, but like he said that would give Collins the option to enter the 2016 draft. My question: If you were Collins and got drafted in the later rounds by a team willing to take a chance, would you train all year long or say F it and get your NFL career started (assuming that the team that drafted you gave you a real chance to start)? Edit: I don't know enough to speak for someone actually in that situation but I would imagine that if I were in that situation I would be tempted to move on with my life and start competing in the NFL. Especially if the Bills drafted me Edited May 6, 2015 by Hot Buffalo Wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Collins didn't have a fantastic combine or anything, so one might think he could improve on it (if he had a chance to get re-drafted). I'm also in mortal fear of us signing this guy, guaranteeing the entire contract & not having an out clause based on the police findings. Just to be clear, La'El goal right now is to get max money assured without fear of reprisals. He also took a $5M health assurance policy out where if he couldn't play anymore because of health reasons, he gets $5M. That's pretty good planning and tells me he's about getting what's his. Many teams in the mix for him mean better terms, some of which obviously could be very risky (for the Bills). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 He's saying dozens of people have explained why no one drafted him...even in the 7th round. It is possible that a team could have drafted him in the...5th-7th round, but like he said that would give Collins the option to enter the 2016 draft. My question: If you were Collins and got drafted in the later rounds by a team willing to take a chance, would you go back to LSU or say F it and get your NFL career started (assuming that the team that drafted you gave you a real chance to start)? He can't go back to LSU now that he has declared. He would have the option to train all year (and make no money from an NFL team) or sign his contract and start playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Just because dozens have said it doesn't make it wrong. Yea 32 nfl teams had the draft board wrong and just messed up on this (they just forgot they could use a 7th) and you are right. Edited May 6, 2015 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Yea 32 nfl teams had the draft board wrong and just messed up on this (they just forgot they could use a 7th) and you are right. Can you believe all the NFL lawyers and experts missed it ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Buffalo Wings Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 He can't go back to LSU now that he has declared. He would have the option to train all year (and make no money from an NFL team) or sign his contract and start playing. Sorry, I edited my post. I'm still skeptical that he would've stood by his agents "threat". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Here's the deal: If the Bills had just taken a shot in the dark and drafted La'el Collins in the 7th we could have avoided this mess. It all boils down to having your draft board in order. Again pay attention.. He said he would not sign with any team if drafted outside the 1st and would just re enter the draft in 2016. Thats why no team drafted him in the 2nd rd or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Buffalo Wings Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Again pay attention.. He said he would not sign with any team if drafted outside the 1st and would just re enter the draft in 2016. Thats why no team drafted him in the 2nd rd or later. Someone already responded to that....pay attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Class of 79. My Mom also still lives in Williamsville in the house that I grew up. I grew up in the Williamsville zip code, though I was technically in Clarence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 So Buffalo has the position but not the teammates, and Miami has the teammates but not the position. we dont have LT open, ideally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Dolphins put a bunch of their players including 3 LSU alumni, now playing for the Fins, on a private jet to Baton Rouge to convince Collins to sign with the Fins. What does Buffalo plan in response? Will Jim Kelley and Thurman Bruce and Andre go down there too with a welcome package? Why would Bills send ghost of columnist Jim Kelley? Yeah he was linked to Buffalo but hardly think they gave connections to get him to go, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Why would Bills send ghost of columnist Jim Kelley? Yeah he was linked to Buffalo but hardly think they gave connections to get him to go, Those Louisiana folk are into voodoo and black magic. A ghost could be the way to go. Maybe genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I grew up in the Williamsville zip code, though I was technically in Clarence. Both are great places to grow up and have a family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Just because dozens have said it doesn't make it wrong. And just because you state it dozens of times in different threads does not make it right. I think the Supplemental Draft is a better option for him. This gives teams a chance of using next year's pick to draft him which is great for teams on the rise and picks next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Just to further attempt to put the "Why not pick him in the 7th round?" discussion to bed. The 32nd pick in the draft gets a signing bonus of ~$3.5 mil with a total value ~$7 mil. Collins as a UDFA gets about $1.1 mil over 3 years. A 7th round pick is in the same ball park. There's a tremendous financial incentive to sit out for a year (or go play in Canada or something similar) if he were eligible to reenter the 2016 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Just to further attempt to put the "Why not pick him in the 7th round?" discussion to bed. The 32nd pick in the draft gets a signing bonus of ~$3.5 mil with a total value ~$7 mil. Collins as a UDFA gets about $1.1 mil over 3 years. A 7th round pick is in the same ball park. There's a tremendous financial incentive to sit out for a year (or go play in Canada or something similar) if he were eligible to reenter the 2016 draft. In theology, there's something Catholics call invincible ignorance. Apparently it applies (moreso perhaps) to football message boards. Thanks for trying, nonetheless. Edited May 6, 2015 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 In theology, there's something Catholics call invincible ignorance. Apparenlty it applies (moreso perhaps) to football message boards. Thanks for trying, nonetheless. Great term. Define "invincible arrogance" as you know it. Thanks for that. I love that term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Just to further attempt to put the "Why not pick him in the 7th round?" discussion to bed. The 32nd pick in the draft gets a signing bonus of ~$3.5 mil with a total value ~$7 mil. Collins as a UDFA gets about $1.1 mil over 3 years. A 7th round pick is in the same ball park. There's a tremendous financial incentive to sit out for a year (or go play in Canada or something similar) if he were eligible to reenter the 2016 draft. the argument that a GM would make is that it also burns a year of potential earnings, and if he goes in the first round itll be 5 years, plus 1 sat out til his potential big FA deal. as a 7th rounder simply playing, he can get his payday sooner, and get extra year that he never gets back in his career. which is better? a matter of opinion, i suppose. if he sits out and tears an ACL training he could be a late round pick with a wasted year anyway - as a worst case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 @JoeBuscaglia: #Bills HC Rex Ryan: I had dinner with La'El Collins, and that's really the extent of it. @mikerodak: Rex asked about Lael Collins three times. Uncharacteristically quiet about that situation, says hell leave the conversation private. @AndrewSiciliano: Rex Ryan denies story that he ordered lobster appetizer: "That's a false report. I did have gumbo." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 the argument that a GM would make is that it also burns a year of potential earnings, and if he goes in the first round itll be 5 years, plus 1 sat out til his potential big FA deal. as a 7th rounder simply playing, he can get his payday sooner, and get extra year that he never gets back in his career. which is better? a matter of opinion, i suppose. if he sits out and tears an ACL training he could be a late round pick with a wasted year anyway - as a worst case scenario. I agree, there's an argument to be made either way. However, if you draft him and he's charged with murder, that's a major black eye (and a wasted pick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I grew up in the Williamsville zip code, though I was technically in Clarence. you living there we believe. You growing up none of us buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I agree, there's an argument to be made either way. However, if you draft him and he's charged with murder, that's a major black eye (and a wasted pick). if you draft him with a 7 and simply cut him -- the black eye is pretty minor (there was little info available, made a decision based on statements that he wasnt a suspect, and acted accordingly when that changed), and the odds of the pick making it are slim either way. is what it is, and its hard to say what wouldve, or couldve happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 if you draft him with a 7 and simply cut him -- the black eye is pretty minor (there was little info available, made a decision based on statements that he wasnt a suspect, and acted accordingly when that changed), and the odds of the pick making it are slim either way. is what it is, and its hard to say what wouldve, or couldve happened. Do you want to and up like The Pats* with the whole Aaron Hernandez debacle? Now their franchise is in shambles. Shambles, I tell you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) the argument that a GM would make is that it also burns a year of potential earnings, and if he goes in the first round itll be 5 years, plus 1 sat out til his potential big FA deal. as a 7th rounder simply playing, he can get his payday sooner, and get extra year that he never gets back in his career. which is better? a matter of opinion, i suppose. if he sits out and tears an ACL training he could be a late round pick with a wasted year anyway - as a worst case scenario. Isn't there also the factor that if he was drafted, he can't renegotiate his contract until year 3, whereas an undrafted free agent can renegotiate by year 2? Whoever the OP is, should edit post #1 with all of this information, and we can then just say "Read post #1" On a side note, the dolphins fans are gloating about Rex supposedly making this mistake. I myself don't think much will come of it, because the rule pretty clearly states campus, or residence, but they sure are happy over there. I really hope they don't end up with Collins. Edited May 6, 2015 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 So we are in a lull of sorts , as the rest of the teams follow suit to Rex's fantastic pro active maneuver. First impressions can go a long way. if we dont get him it surely is not for a lack of valiant effort and savvy gamesmanship very proud of the FO lately lmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 So we are in a lull of sorts , as the rest of the teams follow suit to Rex's fantastic pro active maneuver. First impressions can go a long way. if we dont get him it surely is not for a lack of valiant effort and savvy gamesmanship very proud of the FO lately lmo I feel the same way, we're ahead of the masses & showing we cared first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I feel the same way, we're ahead of the masses & showing we cared first. I think i can rest up my f5 finger for a day or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I feel like the longer this drags out, the better chance we have of landing Collins. I feel like if Miami was his preference, he would have made his decision by now. Just my suspicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourbonboy Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Rotoworld is reporting Collins wants to play tackle, which would make the fish longshots.... http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/10371/lael-Collins Thoughts on him playing tackle for Bills? They were already experimenting with sliding Glenn inside - not sure I understood or agreed with that one, but could Henderson slide into a guard spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Rotoworld is reporting Collins wants to play tackle, which would make the fish longshots.... http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/10371/lael-Collins Thoughts on him playing tackle for Bills? They were already experimenting with sliding Glenn inside - not sure I understood or agreed with that one, but could Henderson slide into a guard spot? Glenn-Richie-Wood-Miller-Collins smashmouth baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Glenn-Richie-Wood-Miller-Collins smashmouth baby! flip your guards, I don't want 2 rookies on the same side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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