The Voice of Truth Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Considering Revis only signed a one year deal with New England and the Pats don't seem to like to tie players up in high money long term contracts, there is a good chance Revis will leave the Pats. Given that he excelled in Rex's defense, I think there is a chance we go after him. With the hiring of Rex, I think Hughes is much more likely to walk. Hughes was traded to us from Indianapolis laregly because he did not excel in the Colts 3-4 scheme. Now Rex is converting the Bills to a 3-4. Also, Mario Williams did not like Wade Philips 3-4 in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It was pettines defense that jerry had a break out year in, which is basically Rex's defense so who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Considering Revis only signed a one year deal with New England and the Pats don't seem to like to tie players up in high money long term contracts, there is a good chance Revis will leave the Pats. Given that he excelled in Rex's defense, I think there is a chance we go after him. With the hiring of Rex, I think Hughes is much more likely to walk. Hughes was traded to us from Indianapolis laregly because he did not excel in the Colts 3-4 scheme. Now Rex is converting the Bills to a 3-4. Also, Mario Williams did not like Wade Philips 3-4 in Houston. Not necessarily true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Not necessarily true Agree. Rex said he builds his D around the players he has and not just force a scheme on players. He's the anti-Hackett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Revis, we are going to a 3-4. Thats a no brainer. Hughes stunk in a 3-4 scheme in Indy. Dont think for a minute this wasnt a consideration during the entire coach search process. expect Hughes to be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 if it ain't broke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OntarioRV Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 How much money do you think the Bills have? We need to build the lines. You don't to spend 15 or 16 million on Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Considering Revis only signed a one year deal with New England and the Pats don't seem to like to tie players up in high money long term contracts, there is a good chance Revis will leave the Pats. Given that he excelled in Rex's defense, I think there is a chance we go after him. With the hiring of Rex, I think Hughes is much more likely to walk. Hughes was traded to us from Indianapolis laregly because he did not excel in the Colts 3-4 scheme. Now Rex is converting the Bills to a 3-4. Also, Mario Williams did not like Wade Philips 3-4 in Houston. Hughes was pretty good the last time he played in this defense. Hughes was stuck behind other players and wasn't a pick of that coach or general manager and was showing signs of breaking out the year before he was traded. Why does everybody think Rex runs strictly a 34? Where was everyone 2 years ago? Revis, we are going to a 3-4. Thats a no brainer. Hughes stunk in a 3-4 scheme in Indy. Dont think for a minute this wasnt a consideration during the entire coach search process. expect Hughes to be gone.Hughes stunk in a Tampa 2. He started to show signs of life in a hybrid 3-4 and then was traded to the bills that ran a hybrid 4-3 under/34(the defense Pettine learned from rex). Hughes was used similar to a 34 pass rushing olb this year and the year before..... Edited January 14, 2015 by kr632 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I hope we keep Jerry Hughes even if that means over Revis. Revis is great, yeah, but so is Jerry. Nothing hurts a QB more than pressure. If Rex could figure out a way for Aaron Maybin to get sacks, I can only imagine what he can do with Jerry. Go BILLS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 How much money do you think the Bills have? We need to build the lines. You don't to spend 15 or 16 million on Revis. We have about $25m if the cap is $142m. I don't see us pursuing Revis, too costly. If we do go with a 3-4 I might be looking at NT and/or DEs as not sold Kyle Williams fits that system and a veteran LB for depth and/or to start as Hughes isn't the best in that system and I know Mario didn't like playing it in Houston with Wade Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 My opinion We dont need Revis (who most likely will be signed by the patriots with all the money Brady just freed up for them and Hughes really needs to stay..... We have about $25m if the cap is $142m. I don't see us pursuing Revis, too costly. If we do go with a 3-4 I might be looking at NT and/or DEs as not sold Kyle Williams fits that system and a veteran LB for depth and/or to start as Hughes isn't the best in that system and I know Mario didn't like playing it in Houston with Wade Phillips. Kyle fit the system just fine in Pettine's defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 How much money do you think the Bills have? We need to build the lines. You don't to spend 15 or 16 million on Revis. Agreed. But given Terry's deep pockets, there's some creative ways to front-load the crap out of contract to reduce the hit on the books. We've never been in these situations before, I'm curious to what lies ahead!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I love Revis' play and the same goes for Hughes but a cornerback hitting 30 with several ligament injuries over the past few years? No thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 My opinion We dont need Revis (who most likely will be signed by the patriots with all the money Brady just freed up for them and Hughes really needs to stay..... Kyle fit the system just fine in Pettine's defense? I wouldn't say he fit considering how poor our rush defense was then. Granted we have improved our LBs since then but to me Kyle Williams is best in a 43 not a 34. As he isn't big enough to be a NT and hold blockers. Dareus might be better suited manning the nose but not sure Kyle fits 100% at DE either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Neither Justin Houston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 My opinion We dont need Revis (who most likely will be signed by the patriots with all the money Brady just freed up for them and Hughes really needs to stay..... Kyle fit the system just fine in Pettine's defense? Brady's new deal doesnt save them any cap money. It's real complicated, but it doesn't make more cap money available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Revis would take our D to another level. It is possible. I'd rather spend our resources on building the OL and running game as well as keeping Hughes, searcy, spikes, Wynn or Bryant and Easley. Maybe even hogan. If we can somehow add those guys plus iupati or boling I think it's a monster in the making. Draft another guard and maybe gurley or Elliott in rd 2. Watch out. In Whaley I trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Revis would take our D to another level. It is possible. I'd rather spend our resources on building the OL and running game as well as keeping Hughes, searcy, spikes, Wynn or Bryant and Easley. Maybe even hogan. If we can somehow add those guys plus iupati or boling I think it's a monster in the making. Draft another guard and maybe gurley or Elliott in rd 2. Watch out. In Whaley I trust Idt Elliot is draft eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Dont invest more into defense other then retaining the guys we have and draft some extra CB, Offense needs quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Rex said he plays schemes that fit the players we have. He's not converting to a 3 - 4 defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Revis, we are going to a 3-4. Thats a no brainer. Hughes stunk in a 3-4 scheme in Indy. Dont think for a minute this wasnt a consideration during the entire coach search process. expect Hughes to be gone. Hughes had 8 sacks his last year with Indy and for most part couldn't get on the field bc of Freeney and Mathis so how exactly did he stink? Considering Revis only signed a one year deal with New England and the Pats don't seem to like to tie players up in high money long term contracts, there is a good chance Revis will leave the Pats. Given that he excelled in Rex's defense, I think there is a chance we go after him. With the hiring of Rex, I think Hughes is much more likely to walk. Hughes was traded to us from Indianapolis laregly because he did not excel in the Colts 3-4 scheme. Now Rex is converting the Bills to a 3-4. Also, Mario Williams did not like Wade Philips 3-4 in Houston. Revis did not sign a one year deal with Pats but thinking is his he will be released due to his high cap number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 It was pettines defense that jerry had a break out year in, which is basically Rex's defense so who knows Dare is no Pettine. Dare was da stache and den dare was da Schwartz. Nuthin wuz in between. No tree-for. Darefore jerry cant play in da tree-for. Its a no'd fack on dis bord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hughes had 8 sacks his last year with Indy and for most part couldn't get on the field bc of Freeney and Mathis so how exactly did he stink? Revis did not sign a one year deal with Pats but thinking is his he will be released due to his high cap number Look again, Hughes had 4 sacks in his final year in Indy and 5 for his career there. In Buffalo he's amassed 20. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HughJe99.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Neither Justin Houston That would be special but I honestly think that if KC are not able to shell space to resign him then he ends up in Carolina or Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Considering Revis only signed a one year deal with New England and the Pats don't seem to like to tie players up in high money long term contracts, there is a good chance Revis will leave the Pats. Given that he excelled in Rex's defense, I think there is a chance we go after him. With the hiring of Rex, I think Hughes is much more likely to walk. Hughes was traded to us from Indianapolis laregly because he did not excel in the Colts 3-4 scheme. Now Rex is converting the Bills to a 3-4. Also, Mario Williams did not like Wade Philips 3-4 in Houston. what is with this repetition of Ryan running a 3-4 ? The man can run any defense he wishes.He certainly is intelligent and experienced enough. Pettines defense was great fun to watch. but not effective enough against the run. Jim fixed that without any sacrifice. Gee Rex probably cant figure that out and will just be stubborn and run that darned 3-4 just because. I am teasing a bit , but folks really ? Hughes ? too soon. it might be a bean counter decision Neither Justin Houston Hughes leaves ? this is the answer to that. well said BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) That would be special but I honestly think that if KC are not able to shell space to resign him then he ends up in Carolina or Atlanta. Houston plays out of a 34 am pretty sure Carolina is a 43 team has Greg Hardy due to be an UFA. I realize Hardy was suspended last year and they may be looking to go with someone else but not sure Houston be on their radar. He makes sense to be on the Falcons radar as well as most any team playing a 34 base. The Jets could be players too. As could the Raiders and Jaguars since both have tons of cap space and need help at pass rush. Edited January 15, 2015 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hughes is getting better and better, and he's got an attitude that fits the ryan tude. I'll be very surprised if they don't keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hughes is getting better and better, and he's got an attitude that fits the ryan tude. I'll be very surprised if they don't keep him. Yeah and Rex has shown in NY he doesn't mind making DEs OLB (see Jason Babin). I feel to keep him he needs to get at least $40M over 4 years and maybe $18M-20M guaranteed which is fair market value. I hope we don't try the "family discount" low ball approach as he's already said he's good as gone if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Houston plays out of a 34 am pretty sure Carolina is a 43 team has Greg Hardy due to be an UFA. I realize Hardy was suspended last year and they may be looking to go with someone else but not sure Houston be on their radar. He makes sense to be on the Falcons radar as well as most any team playing a 34 base. The Jets could be players too. As could the Raiders and Jaguars since both have tons of cap space and need help at pass rush. Go watch the Chiefs game. In fact, watch a few of theirs - he has his hand in the dirt quite a lot. I just don't see us shelling out the amount for him that would be required as he is the games premier pass rusher right now. It's a possibility and I would love it if we could but I think if he ends up elsewhere, it's a place that throws the money by the truck-load at him. I could be wrong, which is more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Neither Justin Houston Definite consideration on my part. That name jumped out at me... but wouldn't he command 12 ore so mil consistently? Edited January 15, 2015 by Agent 91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Devin McCourty is a player I would like to steal from pats if we can't sign searcy. And Charles Clay what be great for our offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Its really not a 3-4 scheme...its a "hybrid" 3-4, meaning its whatever rex wants it to be... Dare is no Pettine. Dare was da stache and den dare was da Schwartz. Nuthin wuz in between. No tree-for. Darefore jerry cant play in da tree-for. Its a no'd fack on dis bord. huh?english please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If I had to pick, Revis, take him away from a rival and create the best secondary in the NFL! Hughes is easier to replace, Revis, graham and Gilmore will cause many coverage sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The defense is a 4-3 Under base. Which means very little actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 JERRY !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hughes is getting better and better, and he's got an attitude that fits the ryan tude. I'll be very surprised if they don't keep him. But in the spirit of the thread, if it's a choice between Revis/Chromartie or Hughes, I think Bills go hard after one of the CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Howard WGR @hsimon62 4m4 minutes ago we asked Whaley if Jerry Hughes was signed yet. He said hopefully theyre getting it done now. That would be sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 We have about $25m if the cap is $142m. I don't see us pursuing Revis, too costly. If we do go with a 3-4 I might be looking at NT and/or DEs as not sold Kyle Williams fits that system and a veteran LB for depth and/or to start as Hughes isn't the best in that system and I know Mario didn't like playing it in Houston with Wade Phillips. I respectfully disagree with most of this post. Rex Ryan uses a 4 man front a lot. Over the last two days he has expressed his love of Kyle Williams on multiple occasions. I expect our defense will look very similar to last year's defense more times than not. Ryan will probably use more of a variety of defensive formations, but when it comes down to it you will see our two Pro Bowl DTs lined up in a 43. I do agree that Revis will be too costly to consider but I think there is a strong possibility that Hughes is back. He has the versatility to excel in Ryan's system. He can line up as a DE in the 43 or stand up as a linebacker in a 34 front. I have no concerns about our defense. We had great defensive coaching and personnel last year and we will this year as well. It is the QB that has me concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Howard WGR @hsimon62 4m4 minutes ago we asked Whaley if Jerry Hughes was signed yet. He said hopefully theyre getting it done now. That would be sweet! This confuses me? Hopefully, theyre doing it now? or hopefully theyre going to start working on it? Either way, I Always Billeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Agreed. But given Terry's deep pockets, there's some creative ways to front-load the crap out of contract to reduce the hit on the books. We've never been in these situations before, I'm curious to what lies ahead!!!! If they are going the FA QB route, the QB position will suck up a significant amount of dollars whether it is Cutler or Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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