C.Biscuit97 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 No but I watched them both in college & Manuel does not have even close the tools that Kap does. Kap was raw coming out of college but he had some tools that you could work with. Kaep is faster but there are similiar tools IMO. I lvoed Kaep out of college too. I thought he was Cam Newton JR. But you can't even argue the situation both came into the league with. EJ missed half of his first camp, had Kolb as his mentor, and had Hackett as an OC/ QB coach. Kaep got to sit behind Alex Smith and come into games in certain situations. He also played with a great oline, running attack, and top 3 defense. Also, Harbaugh is about as good of a QB coach as there is. To pretend that Manuel and Kaepernick are geting developed the same is flat out wrong. And given that he has taken a chance on guys like McCoy and Gabbert, I bet a guy like Harbaugh would love to work with Manuel. EJ has a lot of work to do but he has been developed by minor leaguers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This writer thinks that kaepernick can be had for less than a 2nd. If that is the case we should be all over this. "The 49ers would attempt to trade Kaepernick before releasing him anyway. Kaepernick is having his worst NFL season since becoming a starter and his failure to make significant strides as a pocket passer would impact the type of compensation the 49ers could get for him in a trade. It's hard to imagine the 49ers receiving a draft choice comparable to the second-round pick (36th overall) used to select him even though he still has upside as a quarterback." http://www.hngn.com/articles/52673/20141212/nfl-rumors-san-francisco-49ers-moving-on-from-colin-kaepernick.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I would absolutely trade a 2nd for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The 49ers GM would likely have to be high to make such a trade, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The 49ers GM would likely have to be high to make such a trade, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Well.... it is Denver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well.... it is Denver! or sea level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The 49ers GM would likely have to be high to make such a trade, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Well.... it is Denver! ...the 49ers play in San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well.... it is Denver! Yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 or sea level Wow. Major fail for having more than one thread opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wow. Major fail for having more than one thread opened. you'll have that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well.... it is Denver!Spinal tap: " is this a joke?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I love that a writer from hngn gets fans excited, but a columnist with the San Jose Mercury News, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The 49ers GM would likely have to be high to make such a trade, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Well.... it is Denver! Ah yes. Denver. The sunshine state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ah yes. Denver. The sunshine state I think this might turn out better than when I said "ground up and in the freezer" 15 minutes after it was over with in the Mario Williams thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Kapernick's contract is pretty team friendly -- particularly when you remove the signing bonus and the $2 million in base each year... http://deadspin.com/colin-kaepernicks-126-million-contract-is-remarkably-1586520353 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 3 problems with this: 1) He wears Dolphin hats 2) He's overpaid 3) He sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Okay, I will give up a #2 but I want Stevie back too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Kapernick's contract is pretty team friendly -- particularly when you remove the signing bonus and the $2 million in base each year... http://deadspin.com/colin-kaepernicks-126-million-contract-is-remarkably-1586520353 if we can do this we should 3 problems with this: 1) He wears Dolphin hats 2) He's overpaid 3) He sucks yea one bad year, bust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Kap was Harbaugh's personal pick. With him gone and Kap struggling this year, there is a chance the Niners look to move him. Dude is still an athletic freak and I think the upside is still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It will never happen. Lupati is probably a better 49er poaching in FA. git er dun Greg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It's not the 2nd that's the problem it's his ridiculous contract. Seattle and SF showed the way to win with an overloaded D and and unorthodox cheap QB. Unfortunately everything breaks down when the unorthodox QB is priced like an elite franchise player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It's not the 2nd that's the problem it's his ridiculous contract. Seattle and SF showed the way to win with an overloaded D and and unorthodox cheap QB. Unfortunately everything breaks down when the unorthodox QB is priced like an elite franchise player. Kaepernick is not expensive at all. His contract is heavily incentive based and there is very little guaranteed money. If a team decides to cut him they pretty much owe him nothing. His contract is huge if he plays awesome and were to be on the 49ers throughout the life of it, winning superbowls and making probowls but if he struggles it is a mediocre deal. Its a very team friendly contract and not an inhibitor for teams trading for him. Its in the article and links posted here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yup. Been hammered into the ground that Kaep's contract is all window dressing assuming he doesn't play great...and there is obviously no way to hit an incentive of any kind QBing the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Also this article is a month old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This writer thinks that kaepernick can be had for less than a 2nd. If that is the case we should be all over this. "The 49ers would attempt to trade Kaepernick before releasing him anyway. Kaepernick is having his worst NFL season since becoming a starter and his failure to make significant strides as a pocket passer would impact the type of compensation the 49ers could get for him in a trade. It's hard to imagine the 49ers receiving a draft choice comparable to the second-round pick (36th overall) used to select him even though he still has upside as a quarterback." http://www.hngn.com/articles/52673/20141212/nfl-rumors-san-francisco-49ers-moving-on-from-colin-kaepernick.htm I have two questions: 1) what the heck is "headlines and global news"? 2) who the heck is Brandon Katz and what are his credentials as a sports analyst? I'm gonna take a guess that this is some sort of unpaid gig manned by a college journalism student/football fan in the lines of "Walter Football". Then I have two more questions: 1) how many teams in the league started QB who put up numbers worse than these during part of the 2014 season?: 3369 yds passing, 60.5% completion, 7 ypa, 19 TD, 10 INT, 639 yds rushing, 6.1 YPA 2) what other QBs does SF have on the roster right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I wouldn't give them a second for Kapernick; he had a big set back this year. Defenses have caught up with his limited ability; they are forcing him to stay in the pocket and he can't play from there. It has happened to almost every single mobile QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It's not the 2nd that's the problem it's his ridiculous contract. Seattle and SF showed the way to win with an overloaded D and and unorthodox cheap QB. Unfortunately everything breaks down when the unorthodox QB is priced like an elite franchise player. I'd rather not use up all the cap space on a QB we already know has trouble throwing from the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If there is one person on earth who might know if Kaep is worth it, he's our OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Would kaep even want to play under roman again? If so... DO IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Go into the draft without a 1st, 2nd and without a 4th? No thanks. A mediocre QB isn't worth that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If there is one person on earth who might know if Kaep is worth it, he's our OC. Yup. And he might -- just might -- think he already has a guy on his new roster who can get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 So would SF tank and go with Gabbert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 What is up with all the man love for Kaepernick? He's not particularly good. And the dude is an epic douche bag. I root against SF for the sole reason of him being qb. It would break my heart if the Bills hired that complete bone hole. I would much rather watch EJ play. At least EJ has some class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Would kaep even want to play under roman again? +1 If he were available for a 2, regardless, I'd be all over it. Run heavy and minimize his role, but he's still adequate for playoffs imo. Going into the draft without a 1, 2, and 4, but the only real hole would be OLine. Edited January 12, 2015 by NickelCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Kaepernick for a 2nd in this QB starved league is just plain silly. If it were to happen, we should get the 49ers on the horn and do the deal faster than Buddy got the Spiller pick in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It wasn't Greg Roman who wanted Kaepernick. It was all Harbaugh who told his father after they drafted Kaep that the 49ers just drafted the best player in the entire draft. Probably a big reason as to why Baalke didn't want to give more player control to Harbaugh. With only 16 mill caps space, Kaepernick, Jerry Hughes, or Darrelle Revis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 ...the 49ers play in San Francisco. That's just like, your opinion, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Denver. City by the Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Soooo.. What is the 49ers pan if they indeed trade Kaep? Shouldn't they have a viable option before getting rid of the guy who had one good and one below average year? Knowing how difficult it is to even get a half way decent QB, getting rid of even an (average) QB without a replacement makes little sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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