The Case for Trading Back [Discussion]

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

To get this out of the way: this isn't me claiming that I have any special juice about what's going in the war room. It also isn't an absolute path. If a player who has been forecasted in the top 10-15 is there for the taking in the 20s, I am even for a (reasonable) trade up. If Jared Verse, Brian Thomas or Adonai Mitchell (make your pick of who you think WR4 in the draft is) or whoever you think is an instant game wrecker, you take them.

 

However, as is often the case, I am seeing a bit of a glut around pick 20 on most mocks and Big Boards where plays transition from Week 1 Gamechanger to Week 1 Effective Starter. The truth is, with Beane at work, I don't think that there are any massive glaring immediate needs on the roster: Curtis Samuel can play outside enough that it's not critically dire. Epenesa, Groot and Miller are (in theory) a recent starting DE rotation. They have plenty of depth at LB, have theoretical starters in the secondary, the O-line is mostly intact, RB room is pretty full, and TE doesn't need more reinforcement.

 

Basically, while I think there are several places where the Bills could upgrade, there is at least a theoretical veteran that a rookie would need to take the job from. However, a lot of those contracts are short term, set to expire by 2026 and the team is already over the cap for 2025. If we can't get a gamewrecker, would we say no to another 3rd or 4th round pick if Beane lets someone trade in from the back end?

[SoonerBillsFan]

Depending on who is there at 28, and how far back we would be trading, I would do it.

[Bill from NYC]

5 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

If we can't get a gamewrecker, would we say no to another 3rd or 4th round pick if Beane lets someone trade in from the back end?

Well, I disagree about WR not being a "dire need." And in terms of losing #28 for just another 3rd or 4th, I would say no way. The last thing that I want is for the Bills to get stiffed again as they did in the Mahomes pick for Tre White fiasco, and I don't trust McDermott not to repeat something this ill advised, or shall I say stupid.

 

Now, If a team wanted to give us a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd in 25 and a 3rd this season, I would at least consider it. What I don't want is for McDermott to make another stupid trade up to get yet another defensive player.

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

18 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

To get this out of the way: this isn't me claiming that I have any special juice about what's going in the war room. It also isn't an absolute path. If a player who has been forecasted in the top 10-15 is there for the taking in the 20s, I am even for a (reasonable) trade up. If Jared Verse, Brian Thomas or Adonai Mitchell (make your pick of who you think WR4 in the draft is) or whoever you think is an instant game wrecker, you take them.

 

However, as is often the case, I am seeing a bit of a glut around pick 20 on most mocks and Big Boards where plays transition from Week 1 Gamechanger to Week 1 Effective Starter. The truth is, with Beane at work, I don't think that there are any massive glaring immediate needs on the roster: Curtis Samuel can play outside enough that it's not critically dire. Epenesa, Groot and Miller are (in theory) a recent starting DE rotation. They have plenty of depth at LB, have theoretical starters in the secondary, the O-line is mostly intact, RB room is pretty full, and TE doesn't need more reinforcement.

 

Basically, while I think there are several places where the Bills could upgrade, there is at least a theoretical veteran that a rookie would need to take the job from. However, a lot of those contracts are short term, set to expire by 2026 and the team is already over the cap for 2025. If we can't get a gamewrecker, would we say no to another 3rd or 4th round pick if Beane lets someone trade in from the back end?

This is kinda making the case for trading up more than back.  Beane has nicely re-tooled the roster depth.  Now we need difference makers and starters along the lines of the Kincaid and Torrence picks.  We have enough 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders to take a shot on some diamonds in the rough.  Trade up in 1st with one of our 4th’s for brst D-Lineman and WR then do same in 2nd round with our other 4th or a 3rd next year.  

[mrags]

9 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Depending on who is there at 28, and how far back we would be trading, I would do it.

I’m also for trading back if the guys you’re looking for are already gone. That’s Thomas, Mitchell, Franklin, JPJ. Honestly those are the only guys I would take at 28. Regardless whether we have a need or really don’t this year. Those guy would be future #1s at their positions on this team moving forward. I haven’t looked at many positions outside of WR, S, DT and a little at C for us in this draft. I think these are the 4 needs we have. I don’t think any DT is worth rd 1 except maybe Sweat just because I think he’ll be the best DL  in the draft, but I also don’t think you need to take him at 28. So if the 3 WRs and the one C that are actually worth a first rd grade are fine, I’d absolutely trade back for an extra 3rd or 4th and hopefully nab Sweat in the early to mid 2nd. Using the other 2nd with maybe a trade up for WR. Which Franklin SHOULD be available round there. But I get that WR is such a need that if he’s your guy and you take him at 28 I’m perfectly fine with it. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

27 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

To get this out of the way: this isn't me claiming that I have any special juice about what's going in the war room. It also isn't an absolute path. If a player who has been forecasted in the top 10-15 is there for the taking in the 20s, I am even for a (reasonable) trade up. If Jared Verse, Brian Thomas or Adonai Mitchell (make your pick of who you think WR4 in the draft is) or whoever you think is an instant game wrecker, you take them.

 

However, as is often the case, I am seeing a bit of a glut around pick 20 on most mocks and Big Boards where plays transition from Week 1 Gamechanger to Week 1 Effective Starter. The truth is, with Beane at work, I don't think that there are any massive glaring immediate needs on the roster: Curtis Samuel can play outside enough that it's not critically dire. Epenesa, Groot and Miller are (in theory) a recent starting DE rotation. They have plenty of depth at LB, have theoretical starters in the secondary, the O-line is mostly intact, RB room is pretty full, and TE doesn't need more reinforcement.

 

Basically, while I think there are several places where the Bills could upgrade, there is at least a theoretical veteran that a rookie would need to take the job from. However, a lot of those contracts are short term, set to expire by 2026 and the team is already over the cap for 2025. If we can't get a gamewrecker, would we say no to another 3rd or 4th round pick if Beane lets someone trade in from the back end?

No needs on the roster? That's a rosy outlook. TE is set. WR is severely undermanned. RB is ok, QB is above average, OL IS THIN. DL isn't great, LB is ok, CB is good but lacks depth, safety is a tire fire.

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Well, I disagree about WR not being a "dire need." And in terms of losing #28 for just another 3rd or 4th, I would say no way. The last thing that I want is for the Bills to get stiffed again as they did in the Mahomes pick for Tre White fiasco, and I don't trust McDermott not to repeat something this ill advised, or shall I say stupid.

 

Now, If a team wanted to give us a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd in 25 and a 3rd this season, I would at least consider it. What I don't want is for McDermott to make another stupid trade up to get yet another defensive player.

 

 

 

 

 

I really think you should prepare yourself for the possibility that McD will absolutely take another Defensive player. After all his defense was gutted in the offseason. They filled the whole at WR with Samuel and in their minds that useless Hollins. I’m with you, I absolutely think drafting a WR to not be your #2 but be your #1 as early as next year is a huge need. However I am just not sure they feel the same way. 

[Gugny]

WR1 is absolutely a dire need. 
 

WR2 has been a dire need for years and ignored. 
 

Now Diggs is approaching WR2 status and the WR room is still lacking a true WR1. 
 

I like Beane … but his refusal to address the WR position has been painfully consistent. 
 

 

Edited March 23 by Gugny

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Gugny said:

WR1 is absolutely a dire need. 
 

WR2 has been a dire need for years and ignored. 
 

Now Diggs is approaching WR2 status and the WR is still lacking a true WR1. 
 

I like Beane … but his refusal to address the WR room has been painfully consistent. 

I too think Diggs is done. He was invisible the final third of the season and the postseason 

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’m also for trading back if the guys you’re looking for are already gone. That’s Thomas, Mitchell, Franklin, JPJ. Honestly those are the only guys I would take at 28. Regardless whether we have a need or really don’t this year. Those guy would be future #1s at their positions on this team moving forward. I haven’t looked at many positions outside of WR, S, DT and a little at C for us in this draft. I think these are the 4 needs we have. I don’t think any DT is worth rd 1 except maybe Sweat just because I think he’ll be the best DL  in the draft, but I also don’t think you need to take him at 28. So if the 3 WRs and the one C that are actually worth a first rd grade are fine, I’d absolutely trade back for an extra 3rd or 4th and hopefully nab Sweat in the early to mid 2nd. Using the other 2nd with maybe a trade up for WR. Which Franklin SHOULD be available round there. But I get that WR is such a need that if he’s your guy and you take him at 28 I’m perfectly fine with it. 

You and I are in total agreement.  I would trade back a few spots and take sweat and gain a 3rd.  Trade one of our 4ths to move up in the 2nd for WR.  

[nedboy7]

How did trading back turn into self loathing loser talk within 4 posts. 
our QB is above avg? 
Diggs is a WR3 now? 
we have no WRs?  
Our SB winning safety is a tire fire?

LB corp is ok? 
insane takes. 
If you can’t enjoy this version of the Bills thats on you.  

[nosejob]

44 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

To get this out of the way: this isn't me claiming that I have any special juice about what's going in the war room. It also isn't an absolute path. If a player who has been forecasted in the top 10-15 is there for the taking in the 20s, I am even for a (reasonable) trade up. If Jared Verse, Brian Thomas or Adonai Mitchell (make your pick of who you think WR4 in the draft is) or whoever you think is an instant game wrecker, you take them.

 

However, as is often the case, I am seeing a bit of a glut around pick 20 on most mocks and Big Boards where plays transition from Week 1 Gamechanger to Week 1 Effective Starter. The truth is, with Beane at work, I don't think that there are any massive glaring immediate needs on the roster: Curtis Samuel can play outside enough that it's not critically dire. Epenesa, Groot and Miller are (in theory) a recent starting DE rotation. They have plenty of depth at LB, have theoretical starters in the secondary, the O-line is mostly intact, RB room is pretty full, and TE doesn't need more reinforcement.

 

Basically, while I think there are several places where the Bills could upgrade, there is at least a theoretical veteran that a rookie would need to take the job from. However, a lot of those contracts are short term, set to expire by 2026 and the team is already over the cap for 2025. If we can't get a gamewrecker, would we say no to another 3rd or 4th round pick if Beane lets someone trade in from the back end?

Some mocks have us trading to 26 (for a 4th) and getting Latu. NFL.com pro comparison...T.J.Watt.  We need that and it could be a HR....for years.

 

2023: Won the Lombardi Award (nation's top college OL/DL) and Ted Hendricks Award (nation's top DE). First-team Associated Press All-American. Pac-12 Conference Defensive Player of the Year. First-Team All-Pac-12 Conference. Finalist for the Chuck Bednarik Defensive Player of the Year Award and the Lott IMPACT Award (Integrity, Maturity, Performance, Academics, Community, Tenacity). Led the FBS with 21.5 TFL, tied for fourth with 13.0 sacks. Started 12 games (49 tackles, 2 INTs, 2 PBUs, 2 FFs).

[GASabresIUFan]

While I disagree with much of the OP, there is definitely a case for trading down.  The Bills are in desperate need of youth and cheap talent.  
 

The only place to get young cheap talent is in the draft.  Right now we only have two picks in the top 100.  We need at least 3-4 picks in the top 100 to help replenish this roster longterm.

 

We also have a myriad of needs that need to be filled.  
1. We don’t have any WRs who stretch the field 

2. We need a future starter and better depth at safety.  
3. We need a replacement for Miller

4. We need DT depth 

5. We need a 3rd RB

6. We need a longterm replacement for Douglas at CB

7. We may need a replacement for Brown at OT and Van Denmark isn’t adequate depth 

Remember McD doesn’t like starting rookies. He likes to rotate them in to gain experience.  The Douglas, Miller and Safety starter replacements should all come from this draft. 
 

My hope is Mitchell falls to us at 28.  He gives speed, size and big play ability. (5 TDs in 5 CFP games in college). If not then trade down with Det, SF or Balt to get extra assets.  Use these new assets plus our other 10 picks to maneuver back into the third round.  
 

I’m hoping for 6 roster players from this draft.

[OldTimer1960]

I think that if a trade down is considered, it will be because they have multiple guys that they like, but not love, at key positions available to them.  I’ve come around on Mitchell enough to nab him if he is available, but after him I don’t know that there will be a player that I really have enough conviction on to say no to a fair trade down proposal.

 

At WR, Legette is a possibility, but we clearly seem higher on him than most.  I don’t personally think that Franklin is so good that I couldn’t pass on him, Worthy is too small for my tastes and I don’t think Coleman is worth that pick.  Could 1 or more of these guys be great?  Sure, but any of them could be just OK or worse.

 

Newton and Murphy are good enough to take there, but they do duplicate Oliver’s skill set a bit too much.  Could you play Oliver and one of them on passing downs?  Yep, but that front likely struggles against the run.

 

Latu has injury concerns and Chop Robinson has production concerns.

 

The question is, who would be interested in trading into that spot, how far would you have to go down and what would you get in return?  I do think if they moved back 10 or 15 spots, they could still have at least 1 of Legette, Worthy, Franklin and McConkey left.  I know that not all are the X guy that they ideally seem to need, but those are all still good WR prospects that could help the team.

[QLBillsFan]

This is the year to trade back. The late first round value at wr and dl can be had in the second. Use other pics to move up later giving the Bills 3 players in the top 100. Then 5-6  from 140-200. This allows  for a very good WR like Legette and 3 DL along with 2 S’s and OL depth.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

47 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Some mocks have us trading to 26 (for a 4th) and getting Latu. NFL.com pro comparison...T.J.Watt.  We need that and it could be a HR....for years.

 

2023: Won the Lombardi Award (nation's top college OL/DL) and Ted Hendricks Award (nation's top DE). First-team Associated Press All-American. Pac-12 Conference Defensive Player of the Year. First-Team All-Pac-12 Conference. Finalist for the Chuck Bednarik Defensive Player of the Year Award and the Lott IMPACT Award (Integrity, Maturity, Performance, Academics, Community, Tenacity). Led the FBS with 21.5 TFL, tied for fourth with 13.0 sacks. Started 12 games (49 tackles, 2 INTs, 2 PBUs, 2 FFs).

I read something about a possible injury history?

[freddyjj]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I read something about a possible injury history?

Yes he had a neck injury prior to transfer to UCLA.  The Leighton Vander Esch saga gives me some trepidation here.  

[Nephilim17]

If, for example, they love Legette, and they're confident they can get him (and KC won't) by trading back a handful of spots, OK.

But I wouldn't get cute if they really like a guy and he's available at 28. If they don't really like a guy, sure.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

No needs on the roster? That's a rosy outlook. TE is set. WR is severely undermanned. RB is ok, QB is above average, OL IS THIN. DL isn't great, LB is ok, CB is good but lacks depth, safety is a tire fire.

We are doomed!!!

 

 

 

 

 

🤣

[nosejob]

7 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Yes he had a neck injury prior to transfer to UCLA.  The Leighton Vander Esch saga gives me some trepidation here.  

Hopefully that's why he slides within a couple of picks. 2021 missed due to neck injury and couldn't get cleared for 22. Went to UCLA and crushed it for 2 yrs.

This guy is gonna be on the ESPN a ton this year. That whole line is gonna get nasty. We need to establish a very good young core on the Dline this year!

[Shaw66]

Beane could do anything but he's shown he's prone to trading up, not down. 

 

The Bills aren't going to keep 11 rookies, for sure, so unloading some picks is essential.  Trading back compounds the problem. 

 

I expect another trade up, like last season, to get a solid starter they really like.  Not ahuge move - they don't have the capital for that - but two three or four spots.  

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Well, I disagree about WR not being a "dire need." And in terms of losing #28 for just another 3rd or 4th, I would say no way. The last thing that I want is for the Bills to get stiffed again as they did in the Mahomes pick for Tre White fiasco, and I don't trust McDermott not to repeat something this ill advised, or shall I say stupid.

 

Now, If a team wanted to give us a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd in 25 and a 3rd this season, I would at least consider it. What I don't want is for McDermott to make another stupid trade up to get yet another defensive player.

 

 

 

 

 

I’m not interested in a trade back that gets that much in return. To get that kind of compensation would mean a significant trade back where we could miss on the better WR prospects all together.  
 

We could make a small trade back and pickup a 3rd (we don’t currently have one) or an extra fourth and still easily get one of Leggette, Coleman, Franklin, McConkey, or Pearsall as more than one of them would still be on the board.

 

So I’m down for that kind of trade back, not a big one.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

WR1 is absolutely a dire need. 
 

WR2 has been a dire need for years and ignored. 
 

Now Diggs is approaching WR2 status and the WR room is still lacking a true WR1. 
 

I like Beane … but his refusal to address the WR position has been painfully consistent. 
 

 

Agree, it is long past the time to get a top shelf #1 / 2 wide out in the draft, being we have taken all of one WR with draft capital during this regime’s entire tenure.  Diggs is still good, but he getting older and has been injured by the time the playoffs start for the past two seasons…,  This draft is a prime opportunity to fill a long standing hole in the offense with above average talent, instead of the (we can make it work with cast off veteran receivers in FA) mind set, which has failed us in every post season.  This team has got to stop with running it back with the same strategy that hasn’t worked in, how many seasons? 
 

 

[OldTimer1960]

24 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Beane could do anything but he's shown he's prone to trading up, not down. 

 

The Bills aren't going to keep 11 rookies, for sure, so unloading some picks is essential.  Trading back compounds the problem. 

 

I expect another trade up, like last season, to get a solid starter they really like.  Not ahuge move - they don't have the capital for that - but two three or four spots.  

I understand your point and agree mostly, but I think the play to to trade up into maybe the 3rd using the glut of later picks where the value of those picks moves the needle in the trade.  The earlier of the two 4ths would maybe move them two spots up in round 1 - perhaps worth it if they could get someone like Thomas or Mitchell, but I think they might need to go further up for those guys.  

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I understand your point and agree mostly, but I think the play to to trade up into maybe the 3rd using the glut of later picks where the value of those picks moves the needle in the trade.  The earlier of the two 4ths would maybe move them two spots up in round 1 - perhaps worth it if they could get someone like Thomas or Mitchell, but I think they might need to go further up for those guys.  

I think Beane's ideas of who he wants in the first round regularly surprise us.  Both position and identity are surprises. 

[JaCrispy]

43 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Beane could do anything but he's shown he's prone to trading up, not down. 

 

The Bills aren't going to keep 11 rookies, for sure, so unloading some picks is essential.  Trading back compounds the problem. 

 

I expect another trade up, like last season, to get a solid starter they really like.  Not ahuge move - they don't have the capital for that - but two three or four spots.  

Even if we trade back to the 2nd round we can still use day 3 picks to trade up…no worries about having too many picks 👍

Edited March 23 by JaCrispy

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

We are doomed!!!

 

 

 

 

 

🤣

Didn't say that, but you'd have to be a fool to believe this team's a Superbowl contender 

[Shaw66]

13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Even if we trade back to the 2nd round we can still use day 3 picks to trade up…no worries about having too many picks 👍

Of course, but trading back in the first round isn't Beanes style. He's traded up four times in the first round in six years.  Allen, Edmunds, Elam, Kincaid.  

10 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Didn't say that, but you'd have to be a fool to believe this team's a Superbowl contender 

The fools in Las Vegas have them fourth.  I'd say they're a contender.  

[Rockinon]

I think it really boils down to value. If the players they value in the 1st are not there at 28, it completely makes sense to trade down and pick up another draft pick. I think a lot of people are completely ruling out the possibility that the 1st round pick could be something other than a WR. It is likely that Beane has 1st round grades on other positions. People may not like it, but DLmen have value too. I do think Beane wants WR over DL, but it is going to come down to where the value is. Beane absolutely could trade down in order to increase his chance at increasing value by adding another pick. I will say this, Beane has never done what I expect. Each year he's done something that surprises me. He's got a habit of trading up in the early rounds and trading down in later rounds. Whether that holds true this year....who knows?

Edited March 23 by Rockinon

[julian]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

No needs on the roster? That's a rosy outlook. TE is set. WR is severely undermanned. RB is ok, QB is above average, OL IS THIN. DL isn't great, LB is ok, CB is good but lacks depth, safety is a tire fire.

Above average hahaha, yeah I’d say he’s above average 

[Virgil]

If only 5 receivers get drafted in the first round (as I've seen in some mocks), and we can gain an additional 3rd round to drop back a little, I'm all for trading back.  

 

That extra pick could easily become a starting Safety or Guard on this team.  To get that and one of the top 10 receivers would be a very successful draft to me, with an edge rusher somewhere in there.  

[jkeerie]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

WR1 is absolutely a dire need. 
 

WR2 has been a dire need for years and ignored. 
 

Now Diggs is approaching WR2 status and the WR room is still lacking a true WR1. 
 

I like Beane … but his refusal to address the WR position has been painfully consistent. 
 

 

I don't look at it as a refusal to address the WR position as much as where we've been drafting, the quality has not been there in the first round at the WR position.  It could be argued that even the WRs we've taken in later rounds have been just as good as those taken in the 2nd round for the most part.   I am hoping that with the depth at that position in this year's draft, Beane uses one of the first two picks on a WR...the first if one of the top guys is there for the taking.

[DJB]

If anything we need to trade up to get an impact player. This team has too many average players and we lack high end game wrecking talent 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, mrags said:

I really think you should prepare yourself for the possibility that McD will absolutely take another Defensive player. After all his defense was gutted in the offseason. They filled the whole at WR with Samuel and in their minds that useless Hollins. I’m with you, I absolutely think drafting a WR to not be your #2 but be your #1 as early as next year is a huge need. However I am just not sure they feel the same way. 

 

I agree with you that there is a possibility Beane will choose to use another 1st round pick on defense, and fans better be ready.

 

I don't agree the Bills think they filled the "hole" at WR with Samuel.  They have 2 holes and they know it - at slot, and at X.  They filled the slot/flex hole with Samuel.  They still need to replace, hopefully upgrade, on Gabe Davis at X and hopefully start grooming a Diggs replacement. 

 

I think the fact that they didn't restructure Diggs when that would have been an easy cap move, says they are looking to the day when they move on, which means they better start taking shots at his replacement now in case the first shot doesn't work out.

 

As for Hollins, it's pretty clear to most people that Hollins is our Kumerow/Sherfield STer who can fill in at WR as a backup/blocker.  It's been explained to you, too.  No, the Bills don't see Hollins as filling their hole at WR.

[mrags]

47 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree with you that there is a possibility Beane will choose to use another 1st round pick on defense, and fans better be ready.

 

I don't agree the Bills think they filled the "hole" at WR with Samuel.  They have 2 holes and they know it - at slot, and at X.  They filled the slot/flex hole with Samuel.  They still need to replace, hopefully upgrade, on Gabe Davis at X and hopefully start grooming a Diggs replacement. 

 

I think the fact that they didn't restructure Diggs when that would have been an easy cap move, says they are looking to the day when they move on, which means they better start taking shots at his replacement now in case the first shot doesn't work out.

 

As for Hollins, it's pretty clear to most people that Hollins is our Kumerow/Sherfield STer who can fill in at WR as a backup/blocker.  It's been explained to you, too.  No, the Bills don't see Hollins as filling their hole at WR.

Yeah there’s been so much explained to me but I keep being right about things like Harty sucking, Sherfield sucking, McDermott continuing to make huge mistakes at the worst possible times. Yes I’m aware that Hollins is a Sherfield replacement. That’s still doesn’t negate the fact that he’s being overpaid for what he provides to this team. The move never should have been made. 
 

on to more pressing needs, I understand you don’t believe they think we are set at WR. I don’t believe they are under that belief either. However I do doubt they rate the need nearly as highly as everyone else. Where you and I see eye to eye on the fact they need to find a true #1 that can take over possibly as early as next year; I’m not so sure they feel the same way. I fear they draft a 4th rd guy (because we currently don’t have any 3rd rounders) and call it a day. Hope I’m wrong and I’ll be extremely glad to admit being wrong if that happens. But I think many people are going to be shocked come draft day. 

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Didn't say that, but you'd have to be a fool to believe this team's a Superbowl contender 

Stranger things in this world aye, 

 

What we have here are anything from WAGs, mere supposition, to educated guesses, in other words, not one of us knows for certain what will be the outcome of this upcoming season.  I mean really who thought, Kirk Gibson was gonna hit a walk off home run? Thousands had already left the stadium thinking otherwise, 

Edited March 23 by Don Otreply

[Big Blitz]

I can see Washington really wanting like say Worthy and trading us their 2 seconds for something like 28 and a 4th.  
 

The Eagles have 2 second round picks I think.  
 

 

[MJS]

There's always a case to trade back. Trading back and picking up a third would be good. But it depends on who is left on the board and how much Beane likes them.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

There's always a case to trade back. Trading back and picking up a third would be good. But it depends on who is left on the board and how much Beane likes them.

Agree. Picking up an extra top 100 pick for sliding down from 28 into the second round would be very welcome, but you have to see who you’re giving up at 28 first. 

[Neo]

10 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

No needs on the roster? That's a rosy outlook. TE is set. WR is severely undermanned. RB is ok, QB is above average, OL IS THIN. DL isn't great, LB is ok, CB is good but lacks depth, safety is a tire fire.

I was worried about QB.   I’m glad we’re better than 16th /17th best.  I look forward to the Allen / Trubisky camp competition.  Maybe Trubisky pushes Allen to top quartile.