Bills sign Mack Hollins

[Cray51]

9 minutes ago, MR8 said:

This is like saying "Chick-fil-A is an upgrade to McDonald's".... While it may be true, maybe we'd rather not scarf down ***** fast food of any brand. 

You sound like a chipotle scarfing buffoon!  Chic Fil A is some fine quality dining

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

The Chiefs whole WR room was filled with guys around Mack Hollins level this season and they managed to make it work. 

 

I'm not excited about this signing but it's not like he can be a Kelvin Benjamin level flop.  He's a backup/ST guys primarily with some decent NFL experience. 

 

That's true, but it's more of a numbers game for the Chiefs. What I mean by that is that they have way more total number of receivers contributing to the passing offense.

 

Last year their #2 wr in receptions was Justin Watson with 27. He had 2 TE's, a RB and another wr ahead of him. Which makes him #5 in receptions. 

 

And then they have 7 guys below him catch between 10-25 passes each, and another 6 that caught passes... Those bottom of the roster pass catchers produced nearly 150 receptions and 1500 yards with 9 TD's  on last year. 

 

Whereas the bottom roster guys including Knox caught 77 passes for 644 yards and 6 TD's...

 

I like this signing if he's wr 6 and we draft a #2 outside and a multi-functional slot / outside receiver to backup Shakir. 

 

[Sweats]

I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year.

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

The difference here being that he is a proven special teamer, which this team values (arguably overvalues). 

 

I get what you're saying though and I do think that's a valid argument to be made. 

At least you understand it. I understand the whole ST argument. I don’t agree with it but I understand it. It’s way overvalued by this team and HC. Even the league is doing its best to rid themselves of the kicking game. And yet we have a fossil at HC that not only refuses to spend resources and money on it, he welcomes it. 
 

but yes, my argument could be best summed up in a game of would you rather from last year. 
 

would you rather have:

-Deonte Harty

-Trent Sherfield

-Tyler Matakevich

 

or

-Deandre Hopkins

-2 scrub rookies trying to make a name for themselves on STs in the NFL

 

anyone that would rather have the first group should just give up life now. There’s no hope for you. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

You sound like a chipotle scarfing buffoon!  Chic Fil A is some fine quality dining

Not as good as Popeyes 

[damj]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year.

So was Kumerow ...

So was Harty ...

So was Sherfield ...

 

Sooner or later we gotta get it right?!?

[Rigotz]

It's the Jake Kumerow role guys. Calm down.

 

He's a great blocker at the X position and can catch a ball or two.

 

He had significantly better production than both Sherfield and Kumerow the last several years with a worse QB.

 

Cry about it all you want, it's a good signing.

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year.

He did some nice things with the Raiders, so I agree, but I don’t like the fact he’s thirty. In today’s NFL that seems to be the expiration date for productive wide receiver play. 

[Bruffalo]

7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I like this signing if he's wr 6 and we draft a #2 outside and a multi-functional slot / outside receiver to backup Shakir. 

 

I gotta believe this is the plan, although he might be higher than 6 depending how Shorter / Hamler / other later round rookie WRs pan out. 

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year.

Going from Desmond Ridder to Allen might be a slight upgrade for him.   He is a similar player to Davis.  Plus blocker and decent down the field.  Fills a hole on the roster.  He is the line Shorter would have to surpass to make the team and see playing time.  

[Motorin']

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

I gotta believe this is the plan, although he might be higher than 6 depending how Shorter / Hamler / other later round rookie WRs pan out. 

 

He did have one season a while ago where he did look good. But I think as Bills fans we need to stop tying ourselves in knots of wishful thinking. 

 

I'm assuming he's a good blocker, so yeah he's replacing Sherfield. But Sherfield was in the game way too often in key passing downs. Hopefully Hollins can be a 20 reception guy while not having to be that outside receiver running a crucial route on 3rd and 15 late in the game. 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

No, a rebuild year because we created several large holes with massive holes already on the roster and we have not been serious about replacing them. We can't get a WR2 in the draft because McD doesn't play rookies. Unless there's a trade (unlikely), Hollins is your #2 for at least 6 games.

 

You might want to fact check your statements before you post them in the future.

 

All of the Bills' first round picks started as rookies:

• Tre White - started all 16 games as a rookie
• Josh Allen - started 11 games as a rookie
• Tremaine Edmunds - started all 15 games he played  as a rookie
• Ed Oliver - started 7 games as a rookie
• Greg Rosseau - started all 17 games as a rookie
• Kaiir Elam - started 6 games as a rookie
• Dalton Kincaid  - started 11 games as a rookie

Moreover, these 2nd rounders started as rookies:

• Dion Dawkins - started 11 games as a rookie
• Cody Ford - started 15 games as a rookie
• A.J. Epenesa - started 1 game as a rookie
• O'Cyrus Torrence - started all 17 games as a rookie

Here are the other rookies who have started for the Bills as rookies:

• Spencer Brown - started 10 games as a rookie (3rd rounder)
• Devin Singletary - started 8 games as a rookie  (3rd rounder)
• Taron Johnson - started 2 games as a rookie (4th rounder)
• Matt Milano - started 5 games as a rookie (5th rounder)
• Christian Benford - started 5 games as a rookie (6th rounder)

 

[teef]

holy ***** this thread is a mess.

[Jauronimo]

28 minutes ago, damj said:

$3 million?

 

And its all coming out of your allowance and tax dollars!

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Wow. This guy hasn't done squat.  And this is the WR signing to help the WR room?  

 

This has to be a Kick returner right?  131 receptions in 6 years?  

I look at the eye rolls etc.  What has he done?  Let me guess this is ANOTHER beane WR signing that will magically become something catching balls from Allen.  Pardon me if I have seen this movie a ton of times.  Last year we signed 2 of them and let them walk this offseason.

[Taro Nimbus]

14 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

It's the Jake Kumerow role guys. Calm down.

 

He's a great blocker at the X position and can catch a ball or two.

 

He had significantly better production than both Sherfield and Kumerow the last several years with a worse QB.

 

Cry about it all you want, it's a good signing.

Come on!   If it’s not a Deandre Hopkins, Tee Higgins or Calvin Ridley signing, people will be upset.   We all know the Bills have unlimited cap space…🙄

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Come on!   If it’s not a Deandre Hopkins, Tee Higgins or Calvin Ridley signing, people will be upset.   We all know the Bills have unlimited cap space…🙄

Exactly why they shouldn’t waste what little cap space they have on a guy that provides almost zero impact. 

[SoTier]

4 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

Beane is unreal at signing crap players when we need impact players at the position.  Especially this year with money being so tight.

 

 

What "impact" WRs would you suggest for the money the Bills have to spend????    Keep in mind that the Bills have to have STers, and not all "impact" players are interested in playing ST even if they are willing to take less money to play for a contender.

[Motorin']

18 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

It's the Jake Kumerow role guys. Calm down.

 

He's a great blocker at the X position and can catch a ball or two.

 

He had significantly better production than both Sherfield and Kumerow the last several years with a worse QB.

 

Cry about it all you want, it's a good signing.

 

If he replaces Neal at gunner than there's a good chance we can go back to carrying 6 wr's as well. 

 

So it's:

 

1. Diggs

2. Draft (1st or 2nd round)

3. Shakir

4. Draft (please)

5. Hollins vs. Shorter

6. ??? 

[ALLinALLEN]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

If he replaces Neal at gunner than there's a good chance we can go back to carrying 6 wr's as well. 

 

So it's:

 

1. Diggs

2. Draft (1st or 2nd round)

3. Shakir

4. Draft (please)

5. Hollins vs. Shorter

6. ??? 

Even this frightens me 😬

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

If he replaces Neal at gunner than there's a good chance we can go back to carrying 6 wr's as well. 

 

So it's:

 

1. Diggs

2. Draft (1st or 2nd round)

3. Shakir

4. Draft (please)

5. Hollins vs. Shorter

6. ??? 

6 is the guy that doesn’t make 5

[SoonerBillsFan]

12 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

Beane is unreal at signing crap players when we need impact players at the position.  Especially this year with money being so tight.

 

I hope Beane pays this guy a bonus from his own salary and not the teams CAP money.  Just another stupid signing by this guy.

 

I would rather sign a Curtis Samuel or somone like him,draft WR at 28 then fill in with low end draft picks.

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What "impact" WRs would you suggest for the money the Bills have to spend????    Keep in mind that the Bills have to have STers, and not all "impact" players are interested in playing ST even if they are willing to take less money to play for a contender.

Well, let’s add the $2m from this signing and bunch it with all the other stupid $2m signings they have and see how much we can come up with. I’d be willing to bet that at the end you’d have at least $10-14m you could have spent on a decent FA WR or any other position for that matter. Meanwhile, your special teams suck anyway, just like it did last year, so no loss, no gain. And you give a few undrafted rookie FAs a chance to make the roster. Problem solved.

[SoonerBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, Sweats said:

I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year.

We said this about Sherfield etc.  It nothing more than Moneyball BS. 

[Motorin']

Just now, ALLinALLEN said:

Even this frightens me 😬

 

Realistically the #2 receiver in terms of production will be Kincaid. It would be great if the rookie is #3. But that could very well be Shakir.

 

Then there's Cook and Knox. So that's a top 6 pass catchers being Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir, Rookie 1, Cook, Knox. 

 

Kincaid should have close to 100 catches and 1000 yards this year... Imo, they need to find a way to get Kincaid, Diggs and Shakir on the field at the same time frequently. And that might mean a focus on tight formations. 

[ALLinALLEN]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

Realistically the #2 receiver in terms of production will be Kincaid. It would be great if the rookie is #3. But that could very well be Shakir.

 

Then there's Cook and Knox. So that's a top 6 pass catchers being Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir, Rookie 1, Cook, Knox. 

 

Kincaid should have close to 100 catches and 1000 yards this year... Imo, they need to find a way to get Kincaid, Diggs and Shakir on the field at the same time frequently. And that might mean a focus on tight formations. 

Totally forgot about him when looking at the receiving corp. Thank god.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

Well, let’s add the $2m from this signing and bunch it with all the other stupid $2m signings they have and see how much we can come up with. I’d be willing to bet that at the end you’d have at least $10-14m you could have spent on a decent FA WR or any other position for that matter. Meanwhile, your special teams suck anyway, just like it did last year, so no loss, no gain. And you give a few undrafted rookie FAs a chance to make the roster. Problem solved.

Thank you.  Sign ONE 10-12 mill WR that has done something, draft Diggs replacement at 28 ( or better yet,move up) then fill in with 5th and 6th round picks that don't cost 2 mill per.

 

I am sick of the bestdamn QB in the NFL being given ****.  Load up the damn offense and outscore teams.

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Reminds me of Touchdown Jesus. 

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

Well, let’s add the $2m from this signing and bunch it with all the other stupid $2m signings they have and see how much we can come up with. I’d be willing to bet that at the end you’d have at least $10-14m you could have spent on a decent FA WR or any other position for that matter. Meanwhile, your special teams suck anyway, just like it did last year, so no loss, no gain. And you give a few undrafted rookie FAs a chance to make the roster. Problem solved.

So many people don’t see this. How many games would have turned out different if all of our $2-4m guys that played essentially no snaps were replaced by min salary guys. My guess is 0 impact. But you add even one legit player like Hopkins last year and that gets you  a few wins. 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

We said this about Sherfield etc.  It nothing more than Moneyball BS. 

Might as well give up SBF. These people won’t ever get it. Or they’re too stubborn to admit it. End of the day, we’ve seen this all before and it hasn’t worked. We’re just continuing the same stupid moves year after year. This year is going to suck. Lots of hope we will win it in total in the division round again. Probably with the same guys hurt that always get hurt (Milano) Same guys missing that always go missing (talking to you AJ Ep), the same guys that underperform (everyone else not named Allen) and get outcoached by any real HC in this league. Yay!!!! We’re doing it. We’re a top team in the league that can’t ever get over the hump. Anything to sell PSLs tho for now. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Motorin' said:

 

Realistically the #2 receiver in terms of production will be Kincaid. It would be great if the rookie is #3. But that could very well be Shakir.

 

Then there's Cook and Knox. So that's a top 6 pass catchers being Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir, Rookie 1, Cook, Knox. 

 

Kincaid should have close to 100 catches and 1000 yards this year... Imo, they need to find a way to get Kincaid, Diggs and Shakir on the field at the same time frequently. And that might mean a focus on tight formations. 

 

Brady is a big fan of the 3x1 condensed bunch stuff.  It allows your smaller shakir/diggs types to play off the LOS, and you can either ISO kincaid on one side, or put him at the head of the bunch and iso diggs on the other side.  Was easier with davis as your on the LOS WR.

 

I felt like we got a little too cute with checks at times, and threw too many of those little boundary swing passes but for the most part it does help with creating mismatches.  Other teams see how lining up and showing blitz etc will adjust what we do, so you just have to think about that when doing play design.  

[Green Lightning]

The Mack Hollins? 

 

Damn. Didn't see that coming. Mostly because I never knew he existed. Looking like a long Free Agency for our Bills.

[Paup 1995MVP]

24 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

It's the Jake Kumerow role guys. Calm down.

 

He's a great blocker at the X position and can catch a ball or two.

 

He had significantly better production than both Sherfield and Kumerow the last several years with a worse QB.

 

Cry about it all you want, it's a good signing.

I like your positivity Rigotz.  Hollins is an NFL player.  He can run but is not overly twitchy.  Kumerow caught one pass of note while on the Bills.  The TD at Denver when we were already winning by 35 points.  Sherfield was garbage.  Looked like he had no idea what an NFL WR does.  He had one reception of note all season too.  If I practiced law like Sherfield played WR, I would have been living under a bridge for the past 25 years.  Hollins is a faster Gabe Davis type at a much cheaper price.  The Bills are in the top 6-8 organizations in the NFL.  Beane always has a plan.  Lets hope we get the best version of Mack Hollins.  And playing with Josh Allen should give him some more juice then playing with Desmond Ritter or Derrick Carr.

[freddyjj]

OMG does this mean that the TBD appointed savior of the Bills WR corps, Andy Isabella, may not make the 53 again?

 

Hamler and Isabella fight for a depth slot WR/ST role as returner.  
 

Shorter and Hollins will battle for backup outside WR and gunner role.

 

Winners have shot at WR 5 or 6 spot.  WR 2 and 4 are not on roster yet.  

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, freddyjj said:

OMG does this mean that the TBD appointed savior of the Bills WR corps, Andy Isabella, may not make the 53 again?

 

Hamler and Isabella fight for a depth slot WR/ST role as returner.  
 

Shorter and Hollins will battle for backup outside WR and gunner role.

 

Winners have shot at WR 5 or 6 spot.  WR 2 and 4 are not on roster yet.  

 

 

 

Agreed. 2 will likely come by draft and there are a few 4 types on the market. 

[MAJBobby]

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

Might as well give up SBF. These people won’t ever get it. Or they’re too stubborn to admit it. End of the day, we’ve seen this all before and it hasn’t worked. We’re just continuing the same stupid moves year after year. This year is going to suck. Lots of hope we will win it in total in the division round again. Probably with the same guys hurt that always get hurt (Milano) Same guys missing that always go missing (talking to you AJ Ep), the same guys that underperform (everyone else not named Allen) and get outcoached by any real HC in this league. Yay!!!! We’re doing it. We’re a top team in the league that can’t ever get over the hump. Anything to sell PSLs tho for now. 

How the hell does Terry expect to sell psl's in a **** economy when his product is going to regress?

 

And yes you and I aren't going to get through to those that just can't get it. 

[mrags]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

If we didn’t waste $2m on like 8 different useless players we might have enough money to sign someone like MW. 

[Toyo321]

17 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What "impact" WRs would you suggest for the money the Bills have to spend????    Keep in mind that the Bills have to have STers, and not all "impact" players are interested in playing ST even if they are willing to take less money to play for a contender.

I would rather pay someone after free agency or after training camp.  It sure would not cost us $3 Mil then for a special teams player / WR #5 or #6.

 

Even a drafted 5th or 6th round guy would be cheaper than this.

Edited March 13 by Toyo321

[akcash]

I like this signing. I kinda of David Nelson/Isaiah Hodgins type talent.

[mrags]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

How the hell does Terry expect to sell psl's in a **** economy when his product is going to regress?

 

And yes you and I aren't going to get through to those that just can't get it. 

Oh, he’ll find a way.