first_and_ten Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 What if the only difference between the Chiefs and the Bills were the quarterbacks for the last 4 years, Imagine Josh Allen on the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes on the Bills. It's my opinion that the Chiefs would still have won at least 2, possibly all 3 Super Bowls. I think the Bills still come up short even with Mahomes. I think Josh Allen would be talked about as the Goat instead of Mahomes. Organizations help make a player a champion, and the Chiefs organization is better than the Bills. Just one man's opinion, a longsuffering Bills fan. 😔 2 2 2 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 This has been discussed to the extreme here… Josh is winning at least one MVP and multiple Lombardi’s. The other coin? Who knows. Pat would have walked into a sh-t scenario like Josh did. Maybe he makes it? Maybe he doesn’t. The sure thing is, again, the Chiefs and Josh being the success they have been. Reality is our guy is just as valuable and dominant as Pat without the accolades. 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 What if we had thread titles which briefly identified the point of the thread AND did not ask a question? It would be amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Yes. This is pretty much known. I’m not sure many are disputing it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, BBFL said: This has been discussed to the extreme here… Josh is winning at least one MVP and multiple Lombardi’s. The other coin? Who knows. Pat would have walked into a sh-t scenario like Josh did. Maybe he makes it? Maybe he doesn’t. The sure thing is, again, the Chiefs and Josh being the success they have been. Reality is our guy is just as valuable and dominant as Pat without the accolades. I didn't know it had been discussed here. My bad 😊 3 minutes ago, BillsVet said: What if we had thread titles which briefly identified the point of the thread AND did not ask a question? It would be amazing. Was kind of a link bait, I admit 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 It’s painfully obvious this team is missing organizational leadership. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ddaryl Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Reid didn't win a SB till he got to his 2nd head coaching job, and after 13 years HC experience in Philly I'm confident McDermott can do that to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 8 minutes ago, Trev said: It’s painfully obvious this team is missing organizational leadership. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Reid didn't win a SB till he got to his 2nd head coaching job, and after 13 years HC experience in Philly I'm confident McDermott can do that to. Large caveat: Reid had been to a Super Bowl and numerous Championship games by his 7th season (which McDermott just finished). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Reid didn't win a SB till he got to his 2nd head coaching job, and after 13 years HC experience in Philly I'm confident McDermott can do that to. Thats just an excuse. We’ve sniffed the SuperBowl once and even then we got blown out by the Chiefs. I have faith in McDermott as long as he’s the coach. There’s no other option. But predicating the results of other people isn’t applicable to any or every situation. Furthermore, there’s a longer list on heavily tenured coaches who’ve never won a SuperBowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 What’s absolutely wild is the Bills are probably the most successful team vs KC the couple seasons. KC has won 2 Super Bowls. I do 100% believe if Milano and Bernard were playing they’d have beaten KC in the playoffs this year, maybe if even one were healthy. But it is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LABILLBACKER Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I think if Daboll had been Pat's HC rather than McD, he would've had a shot at one (maybe 2?). Josh with Andy would've been 2 Lombardi's guaranteed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Then Allen would have a couple Super Bowls and Mahomes wouldn't. It would be the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: What’s absolutely wild is the Bills are probably the most successful team vs KC the couple seasons. KC has won 2 Super Bowls. I do 100% believe if Milano and Bernard were playing they’d have beaten KC in the playoffs this year, maybe if even one were healthy. But it is what it is. Yeah, that Bernard injury was the writing on the wall against a team who makes their meal on the middle of the field… Milano and Bernard? No brainer. That would have been a W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Honestly, as much as JA will win us games, he will also lose some due to his sporadic undisciplined improv playing style. I mean, it's fun to watch as fans, but it just has to be a nightmare for the team sometimes. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) I'm pretty sure this has been discussed ad nauseam for the better part of 4 years now. Edited March 12 by H2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Easy MVPs and Trophies. I still think Mahomes is the better QB though. Its just you cant beat the Andy Reid offensive mind vs.......that bald guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 33 minutes ago, BBFL said: This has been discussed to the extreme here… Josh is winning at least one MVP and multiple Lombardi’s. The other coin? Who knows. Pat would have walked into a sh-t scenario like Josh did. Maybe he makes it? Maybe he doesn’t. The sure thing is, again, the Chiefs and Josh being the success they have been. Reality is our guy is just as valuable and dominant as Pat without the accolades. Josh is missing two things Mahomes has its patience and accuracy. Mahomes would've no doubt taken that underneath pass to Diggs on 2nd and 9. Mahomes started looking like Brady in these playoffs as he took everything the defense was giving him and that's scary thing to see. Coming out of college Mahomes was the best QB I ever scouted and there's no doubt in my mind he would be the same superstar whether he played for the Bills or basically any other team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I think if Daboll had been Pat's HC rather than McD, he would've had a shot at one (maybe 2?). Josh with Andy would've been 2 Lombardi's guaranteed. Mahomes and Kelce ran what they wanted during 13 seconds, not what Reid called. I just think it’s so much more we don’t talk about with the Chiefs. The Bills haven’t had a Kelce, Chris Jones, and others. How about this? Put Kelce and Chris Jones on the Bills instead of KC. I think the Bills have 3 Super Bowls also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Maybe he wins all 3. Maybe he wins none. Who knows? What would happen if Marino and Kelly swapped situations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, H2o said: I'm pretty sure this has been discussed ad nauseam for the better part of 4 years now. I'm pretty sure the Chiefs hadn't won 3 Super Bowls until now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Mahomes is in a different tier than Allen. He's just so much more collected, has way better judgement and is one of the most clutch athletes I've ever seen. Physically they're about equal with a slight edge to Josh, but mentally Mahomes has a significant edge. With that in mind, the Bills FO is such a mess that they'd hold Mahomes back, but I believe that Mahomes with the Bills likely beats Allen in the 13 seconds game and he definitely beats him this year. Maybe that doesn't materialize into championships. I think Allen probably gets one SB at least with Reid and definitely has an MVP. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Josh is missing two things Mahomes has its patience and accuracy. Mahomes would've no doubt taken that underneath pass to Diggs on 2nd and 9. Mahomes started looking like Brady in these playoffs as he took everything the defense was giving him and that's scary thing to see. Coming out of college Mahomes was the best QB I ever scouted and there's no doubt in my mind he would be the same superstar whether he played for the Bills or basically any other team. Too bad you weren't a scout for the Bills, huh? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 8 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Josh is missing two things Mahomes has its patience and accuracy. Mahomes would've no doubt taken that underneath pass to Diggs on 2nd and 9. Mahomes started looking like Brady in these playoffs as he took everything the defense was giving him and that's scary thing to see. Coming out of college Mahomes was the best QB I ever scouted and there's no doubt in my mind he would be the same superstar whether he played for the Bills or basically any other team. In addition to the two you mentioned Mahomes is also calmer under pressure than Allen. These are glaringly obvious when you watch them play but somehow most Bills fans refuse to see it. These are traits that have nothing to do with organizations. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 54 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: What if the only difference between the Chiefs and the Bills were the quarterbacks for the last 4 years, Imagine Josh Allen on the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes on the Bills. It's my opinion that the Chiefs would still have won at least 2, possibly all 3 Super Bowls. I think the Bills still come up short even with Mahomes. I think Josh Allen would be talked about as the Goat instead of Mahomes. Organizations help make a player a champion, and the Chiefs organization is better than the Bills. Just one man's opinion, a longsuffering Bills fan. 😔 This is an exercise in futility that only Bills fans do. Allen is a great qb and is already getting as much credit as he should from the media and general NFL fans. Anything more will require winning superbowls. Stop trying to put the cart before the horse. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 What if Peyton Manning and Tom Brady swapped? Brady would still be the GOAT. Mahomes is the GOAT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 It burns my eyes just having to look at this post I love the Bills and I freaking hate Kermit Mahomes It would probably damage my soul permanently to have to root for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 20 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Mahomes is in a different tier than Allen. He's just so much more collected, has way better judgement and is one of the most clutch athletes I've ever seen. Physically they're about equal with a slight edge to Josh, but mentally Mahomes has a significant edge. With that in mind, the Bills FO is such a mess that they'd hold Mahomes back, but I believe that Mahomes with the Bills likely beats Allen in the 13 seconds game and he definitely beats him this year. Maybe that doesn't materialize into championships. I think Allen probably gets one SB at least with Reid and definitely has an MVP. Go to the Chiefs board then. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 18 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: Too bad you weren't a scout for the Bills, huh? I basically cried like a baby when traded that pick and the Chiefs took Mahomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, first_and_ten said: What if the only difference between the Chiefs and the Bills were the quarterbacks for the last 4 years, Imagine Josh Allen on the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes on the Bills. It's my opinion that the Chiefs would still have won at least 2, possibly all 3 Super Bowls. I think the Bills still come up short even with Mahomes. I think Josh Allen would be talked about as the Goat instead of Mahomes. Organizations help make a player a champion, and the Chiefs organization is better than the Bills. Just one man's opinion, a longsuffering Bills fan. 😔 Honestly, I completely agree. Josh career would like a lot like Mahomes does in terms of MVPs and SB Trophies and Mahomes would likely mirror Josh's and be empty as well. I really believe Mahomes and Allen are neck and neck talent wise and the situations have dictated the better overall TEAM results Mahomes has experienced in KC vs Josh in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 57 minutes ago, Trev said: It’s painfully obvious this team is missing organizational leadership. I'd say thats FAR from accurate. Very. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 21 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Mahomes is in a different tier than Allen. He's just so much more collected, has way better judgement and is one of the most clutch athletes I've ever seen. Physically they're about equal with a slight edge to Josh, but mentally Mahomes has a significant edge. With that in mind, the Bills FO is such a mess that they'd hold Mahomes back, but I believe that Mahomes with the Bills likely beats Allen in the 13 seconds game and he definitely beats him this year. Maybe that doesn't materialize into championships. I think Allen probably gets one SB at least with Reid and definitely has an MVP. 13secs was flat out on Mcd nobody not Mahomes not Allen could've saved that. Mcd just gave them the 3pts for free . I'll never forgive him for that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 25 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: I'm pretty sure the Chiefs hadn't won 3 Super Bowls until now. Pretty sure the discussion has always been what if Allen and Mahomes were on the opposite team, regardless of if it was one or three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 55 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Reid didn't win a SB till he got to his 2nd head coaching job, and after 13 years HC experience in Philly I'm confident McDermott can do that to. i read this in a backhanded way, where the implication is that mcd can win after we fire him, long into the future. i chortled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Coaching is as important to SB appearances & wins as quarterbacking is. Look at the history of the SB. It happens - but it's rare that a coach not considered top tier makes it. I don't think the results would be mirrors of each other, but Allen would for sure have a Lombardi or 2. I don't think Mahomes would have gotten us there, if all other circumstances were the same. Someone on this thread said he would have won the 13 seconds game for us - how? Allen left the field w/ a lead, with (as we know) 13 seconds to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 What If…? - NFL Edition? Or another installation of the N-IF-L? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 21 minutes ago, FireChans said: What if Peyton Manning and Tom Brady swapped? Brady would still be the GOAT. Mahomes is the GOAT. To think circumstances and situations don't play huge roles in NFL players careers is ridiculous Patrick mahomes got to learn from the best quarterback whisperer of the last 30 years... Then got to sit for a year behind a pro bowl quarterback Both 100% will benefit any professional quarterback Josh Allen got thrown into the fire with a mediocre offensive line and mediocre weapons... He was forced to sink or swim... Which has destroyed plenty of players careers Patrick mahomes absolutely needed his 1-year on the bench, which certainly helped his vault into the upper echelon of quarterbacks Football is literally all about situations.. where you go ,what coach you get... To think he'd be the same if he wound up on the cardinals or something It takes two to tango it's always has is always will... Tom Brady getting the greatest defensive Mastermind in NFL history absolutely was crucial to the first decade of his career Sure he maybe didn't need bill when he was 38.. he did when he was 24 Tyreek Hill called mahomes trash as a rookie lol sure he probably was over exaggerating... But he was speaking from what he was watching in practice He wasn't ready That's like saying Jordan poyer and Micah Hyde would have turned into all pros anywhere... No they're good football players who owe their accolades to Sean McDermott and putting them in the right spot Very few people like Bruce Smith or Myles Garrett can be successful everywhere Edited March 12 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 19 minutes ago, Draconator said: Go to the Chiefs board then. Are you allowed to be a Bills fan if you don’t believe your QB is the GOAT? Did we all have to believe Trent would’ve been Brady with better coaching to be Bills fans? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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