Richard Noggin Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, BillsDiehard said: 1M in cap space but managed to pull this off! With a long term extension, though, a team these days usually builds in cap SAVINGS in year one. Nothing particularly clever or surprising there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: No idea how they “botched “ anything Last year Jones was willing to sign a contract that made him the 2nd highest paid DT in the league. Instead the Chiefs offered him an insulting (relative to his skill set) 3 year, $70M deal. This year they made him the highest paid DT of all time. When he was willing to settle for #2 paid in the league last year. In 8 months they went from offering him a deal worth a total of $70M to a deal where the guaranteed money alone is nearly 30% higher than that. KC rarely messes up. But they should have made him a fair offer last season and avoided this. They would have saved a good amount of money. That's good for us though. It’s obviously stinks they got him back, but it’s good that they paid more this year than they would have him if they just signed him last year. Edited March 10 by Einstein 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 12 minutes ago, Marlton Bills said: Hopefully it means they don’t get Austin Ekler Ekeler is going to a nursing home. Don’t worry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 11 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: With a long term extension, though, a team these days usually builds in cap SAVINGS in year one. Nothing particularly clever or surprising there. He wasn’t under contract, so there is no way to build in cap savings in year 1. His cap hit was already $0 (because he wasn’t signed). Teams sometimes save money on extensions of players they have under contract by pushing the money out. But that wasn’t the case here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 16 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: With a long term extension, though, a team these days usually builds in cap SAVINGS in year one. Nothing particularly clever or surprising there. KC Kings are spending future money for they believe they are still in Superbowl window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Einstein said: Last year Jones was willing to sign a contract that made him the 2nd highest paid DT in the league. Instead the Chiefs offered him an insulting (relative to his skill set) 3 year, $70M deal. This year they made him the highest paid DT of all time. When he was willing to settle for #2 paid in the league last year. In 8 months they went from offering him a deal worth a total of $70M to a deal where the guaranteed money alone is nearly 30% higher than that. KC rarely messes up. But they should have made him a fair offer last season and avoided this. They would have saved a good amount of money. That's good for us though. It’s obviously stinks they got him back, but it’s good that they paid more this year than they would have him if they just signed him last year. Do you believe everything Mike Florio says ? Albert Breer said he wanted more money then Donald last year … so who do you believe ? Each side no doubt has their media stooges to leak whatever spin they want …so I don’t know why anyone would take these kind of articles with no direct quotes as gospel .. Regardless of which source you believe …They have re-signed him for 5 years …likely with an out after 3 ..I doubt they care much now what happened last year Edited March 10 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 39 minutes ago, Einstein said: He wasn’t under contract, so there is no way to build in cap savings in year 1. His cap hit was already $0 (because he wasn’t signed). Teams sometimes save money on extensions of players they have under contract by pushing the money out. But that wasn’t the case here. They have until Wednesday, in that case, to make it all fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Adam727 said: 5 years $160mil is my guess. Good guess if you didn't see this report before hand. Travis Kelce is woefully underpaid but luckily he's dating a billionaire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Here’s to hoping he Albert Haynesworth’s the Chiefs! 🤞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Bruce200 said: The cap is a myth. Somehow the Bills have to cut half the team but the Chiefs can pay MaHomes, Jones, Kielce huge contracts among others and tag Sneed, There even looking at acquiring Espensa. The Jets paid huge contracts to Roger’s and Williams and many others and are looking at bringing in a bunch of starting OL. Maybe I’m jumping the gun and there is a good plan but for me the 2024 season might be already over. They've let guys who signed decent sized contracts walk the last few years (Tyreek Hill, Tyron Matheiu, JuJu, Frank Clark, Eric Fisher, Charvarius Ward, Orlando Brown). Their biggest whiff is pry Jawaan Taylor. Regardless, they set themselves up to have the cap room to sign him. Whether it's worth it to pay a soon to be 30 year old that much money remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 4 hours ago, BillsDiehard said: 1M in cap space but managed to pull this off! Actually, they're 7.4m under and they'll get another 19.8m when they trade Snead, which is probably coming soon. Then they're 89.7m under next year. Edited March 10 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 36 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Actually, they're 7.4m under and they'll get another 19.8m when they trade Snead, which is probably coming soon. Then they're 89.7m under next year. Always one step ahead… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 It’s essentially a 3 year deal. But it’s well worth it. Dude is a beast . But hey we have Von right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 6 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Weak deal…should have gotten at least $30 mil per It says highest AAV for a Steve. 95M guaranteed is a huge number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Did anyone really expect him to go anywhere? I always knew he would be in KC for the foreseeable future. I think this pretty much is the extent of their FA though with the re-signing of Jones and Tranquil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Actually, they're 7.4m under and they'll get another 19.8m when they trade Snead, which is probably coming soon. Then they're 89.7m under next year. They still have some big name players coming up on FA. Nick Bolton, Creed Humphrey, and Trey Smith all due to be FA's next year. That $89M you're talking about is with them only having 24 players on their roster and it doesn't include the figures from Chris Jones' new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, H2o said: They still have some big name players coming up on FA. Nick Bolton, Creed Humphrey, and Trey Smith all due to be FA's next year. That $89M you're talking about is with them only having 24 players on their roster and it doesn't include the figures from Chris Jones' new contract. They will have to make some concessions at some spots, probably starting with Snead this year. But the fact remains, they have it do it. It's not exactly "1m in cap space but managed to pull it off!" situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 I suggest that the other 31 teams send Jones gift cards for the place Reid gets his chicken nuggets. Then Jones shows up for training camp out of shape, overweight, and with high cholesterol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Actually, they're 7.4m under and they'll get another 19.8m when they trade Snead, which is probably coming soon. Then they're 89.7m under next year. The 7.4 is without adding C Jones contract. That number next year will change significantly when C Jones contract is added. They also only have about 25 players singed next year. Edited March 10 by BillsFan2313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Do you believe everything Mike Florio says ? Albert Breer said he wanted more money then Donald last year … so who do you believe ? Each side no doubt has their media stooges to leak whatever spin they want …so I don’t know why anyone would take these kind of articles with no direct quotes as gospel .. Regardless of which source you believe …They have re-signed him for 5 years …likely with an out after 3 ..I doubt they care much now what happened last year Agree. It was pretty well understood last year that Jones wanted pretty close to a 30 mill/year deal. The Chiefs weren't willing to go there at the time. A few things have changed since then: a) the salary cap increased beyond expectation, and could again in the next few years; b) tranquill ended up being better than expected, and KC now expects to let willie gay walk; c) every KC pick in the secondary, both CBs and safeties, has hit the last few years, making Sneed more expendable than most people realize; and d) chance for immortality to chase a 3peat. KC probably is spending about 3-4 mill per year more for Jones than they'd like the next three years, but being able to work out a 5-year deal, which I'd assume allows them to spread out the signing bonus, makes this more digestible for them. Edited March 10 by beebe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 9 hours ago, QB Bills said: Hate this. Guy was the best player on either side of the field against the Bills and in the Super Bowl and should have been the unanimous MVP. Agreed. The fact it wasn’t him or McDuffie is mind boggling. Pat was #1 in the vote followed by Kelce. Don’t even know why they bother getting the public to vote on that award anyway. It’s like the Presidential candidacy…The public portion has no real weight in the outcome. It’s decided by the group of peers that are already positioned on the sidelines… To the other point, dude has been the best player on that team the past 2 seasons. They would have been stupid to let him walk and play elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 7 hours ago, Adam727 said: 5 years $160mil is my guess. Ya Probably on paper so the agent can fluff up the numbers a bit. But with the 95 mil Guaranteed, it's probably something like a 3 year, 95 mil dollar deal 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 34 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Ya Probably on paper so the agent can fluff up the numbers a bit. But with the 95 mil Guaranteed, it's probably something like a 3 year, 95 mil dollar deal They will re structure next offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 52 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: They will re structure next offseason. Yep. It seems like a very similar type of contract Von miller got. (Except more money of course) Where it's gonna say 5 years. But it's really a 3 year deal that has a good chance to re structure after year 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Do you believe everything Mike Florio says ? Yes, I believe most of what Florio says. I believe he is far and away the best NFL reporter there is. His law background and sources within the NFL give him a big advantage in my opinion. He routinely is proven right. Leagues above guys like Breer and Schefter who only pass along news that is given to them due to a quid-pro-quo relationship (meaning they also pass along agendas and false info). Florio on the other hand has called out that mucky relationship that reporters often have and has upset the NFL numerous times on his reporting of factual information that other sources wouldn’t give (because they don’t want to be shut out). This type of reporting is what made him famous. He was just a lawyer doing football as a side gig in his basement but his site became extremely popular over time because he exposed truth that most other reporters wouldn’t dare. Eventually he got so huge that NBC bought a stake in what he was doing, which is why you see NBC Pro Football Talk now. The main reason some don’t like Florio is because he DOES pontificate a lot. And sometimes his preaching (which can become annoying) involves opinions that can sound anti-Bills or anti-whatever-team that the person may like. These fans don’t want to hear opinions of reporters - they just want facts. BUT, at least when Florio does his pontificating, he never passes it off as fact. He says outright that he is giving an honest guess. He doesn’t pretend that it’s true. So when he passes along a piece of information that he says is fact, I believe him. Because he does a good job of delineating between his guesses and what he knows for sure. And he often ends up being proven right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 3 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: The 7.4 is without adding C Jones contract. That number next year will change significantly when C Jones contract is added. They also only have about 25 players singed next year. Who says there trading Snead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yes, I believe most of what Florio says. I believe he is far and away the best NFL reporter there is. His law background and sources within the NFL give him a big advantage in my opinion. He routinely is proven right. Leagues above guys like Breer and Schefter who only pass along news that is given to them due to a quid-pro-quo relationship (meaning they also pass along agendas and false info). Florio on the other hand has called out that mucky relationship that reporters often have and has upset the NFL numerous times on his reporting of factual information that other sources wouldn’t give (because they don’t want to be shut out). This type of reporting is what made him famous. He was just a lawyer doing football as a side gig in his basement but his site became extremely popular over time because he exposed truth that most other reporters wouldn’t dare. Eventually he got so huge that NBC bought a stake in what he was doing, which is why you see NBC Pro Football Talk now. The main reason some don’t like Florio is because he DOES pontificate a lot. And sometimes his preaching (which can become annoying) involves opinions that can sound anti-Bills or anti-whatever-team that the person may like. These fans don’t want to hear opinions of reporters - they just want facts. BUT, at least when Florio does his pontificating, he never passes it off as fact. He says outright that he is giving an honest guess. He doesn’t pretend that it’s true. So when he passes along a piece of information that he says is fact, I believe him. Because he does a good job of delineating between his guesses and what he knows for sure. And he often ends up being proven right. He’s a 3rd hand information reporter, he’s a pundit, he’s no different than the Nick Wright’s or Mike Greenberg’s of the NFL landscape. If you want to respect the guy for creating a successful business from his basement, that seems fair, but he’s an arrogant, smug little pr*ck who loves to remind everyone he was a lawyer like that’s something to envy. There’s an endless supply of opinions, he’s not reinventing the wheel, although I do like to hit up PFT for quick headline news, I find it to be up to date and accurate for the most part, but listening to his “I’m the smartest guy in the room” rants and takes with Chris Simms is a hard pass. Chris Simms should actually look to breakaway from that douche and go his own way, he’s much more personable and actually has some relationships with current and past players he could lean on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) Heard they also got our 3rd round comp draft pick. Outrageous! Edited March 10 by nedboy7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 9 hours ago, Marlton Bills said: Hopefully it means they don’t get Austin Ekler I think Ekler is washed up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 F***!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 This was expected and Chris Jones is getting the money he wanted and deserves...$32M per year. As to KC trading Sneed...I know there is interest from a number of teams, but if they are smart, they hold out. KC is asking for a 2, or so I've heard. Now with Jones' cap hit, they will be more desirous of moving Sneed to get his $19M off the books...or they could renegotiate...but it's still going to cost them likely $16M per year. So...teams should not be in a hurry to help KC out. They've won 3 SBs...they should pay a major price for that to the players largely responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Yes, I believe most of what Florio says. I believe he is far and away the best NFL reporter there is. His law background and sources within the NFL give him a big advantage in my opinion. He routinely is proven right. Leagues above guys like Breer and Schefter who only pass along news that is given to them due to a quid-pro-quo relationship (meaning they also pass along agendas and false info). Florio on the other hand has called out that mucky relationship that reporters often have and has upset the NFL numerous times on his reporting of factual information that other sources wouldn’t give (because they don’t want to be shut out). This type of reporting is what made him famous. He was just a lawyer doing football as a side gig in his basement but his site became extremely popular over time because he exposed truth that most other reporters wouldn’t dare. Eventually he got so huge that NBC bought a stake in what he was doing, which is why you see NBC Pro Football Talk now. The main reason some don’t like Florio is because he DOES pontificate a lot. And sometimes his preaching (which can become annoying) involves opinions that can sound anti-Bills or anti-whatever-team that the person may like. These fans don’t want to hear opinions of reporters - they just want facts. BUT, at least when Florio does his pontificating, he never passes it off as fact. He says outright that he is giving an honest guess. He doesn’t pretend that it’s true. So when he passes along a piece of information that he says is fact, I believe him. Because he does a good job of delineating between his guesses and what he knows for sure. And he often ends up being proven right. didn’t Florio report Caleb wanted partial ownership? Didn’t he try to drive some “Joe Burrow may not play for the Bengals” narrative? https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/does-joe-burrow-hope-the-bengals-dont-draft-him “Burrow may be thinking about trying to get the Bengals to not draft him -- or to get someone else to trade up and get him. And the evidence is becoming more and more clear.” “So the brother of Burrow’s private coach, who was a first overall pick of the Bengals, says the Bengals aren’t committed to winning Super Bowls. And then Burrow says that he wants to play for a team that is committed to winning Super Bowls. Sure, there’s nothing to see here.” lmao this is like a worse version of a bad TBD post. that sounds just like a paragon of truth lmao Edited March 10 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 7 hours ago, DJB said: It’s essentially a 3 year deal. But it’s well worth it. Dude is a beast . But hey we have Von right? Jones is one freak injury away from being the same problem Von is. I don’t wish that on him, but Von was a case of terrible luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Jones is one freak injury away from being the same problem Von is. I don’t wish that on him, but Von was a case of terrible luck. Which is why I am shocked people wanted to sign him to a contract like that.. as if it was ever, at all, possible. He’s the best DT in the league, and DT’s do age well .. but Von was also at an elite level when we signed him.. looked every bit the elite player we paid for… until he got hurt. Von’s a little older, but Chris Jones is a massive body and Von may be an anomaly freak of nature. The risk here for the Chiefs is real. A risk absolutely worth taking .. and because it’s KC, I’m sure one that will have zero ramifications. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 32 minutes ago, SCBills said: Which is why I am shocked people wanted to sign him to a contract like that.. as if it was ever, at all, possible. He’s the best DT in the league, and DT’s do age well .. but Von was also at an elite level when we signed him.. looked every bit the elite player we paid for… until he got hurt. Von’s a little older, but Chris Jones is a massive body and Von may be an anomaly freak of nature. The risk here for the Chiefs is real. A risk absolutely worth taking .. and because it’s KC, I’m sure one that will have zero ramifications. I doubt Jones will be a problem, but you just never know, it’s not hard for something to go wrong in the trenches. Also, like you said, he’s a BIG guy, a lot of stress on that body. For his sake, I hope he’s injury free forever, but we all know how the life of an NFL player can be altered in one step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Yep. It seems like a very similar type of contract Von miller got. (Except more money of course) Where it's gonna say 5 years. But it's really a 3 year deal that has a good chance to re structure after year 1 If they are trying to get out after 3 the restructure after doesn’t really make it easier to do. I feel like a lot of folks just throwing those terms around Willy nilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 11 hours ago, Einstein said: Last year Jones was willing to sign a contract that made him the 2nd highest paid DT in the league. Instead the Chiefs offered him an insulting (relative to his skill set) 3 year, $70M deal. This year they made him the highest paid DT of all time. When he was willing to settle for #2 paid in the league last year. In 8 months they went from offering him a deal worth a total of $70M to a deal where the guaranteed money alone is nearly 30% higher than that. KC rarely messes up. But they should have made him a fair offer last season and avoided this. They would have saved a good amount of money. That's good for us though. It’s obviously stinks they got him back, but it’s good that they paid more this year than they would have him if they just signed him last year. 3 for 95 plus 1 for 19 = 4 for 114 (28.5 average) your article says Jones wanted about 28.5 average I’m not sure it’s a real disaster on their part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: 3 for 95 plus 1 for 19 = 4 for 114 (28.5 average) your article says Jones wanted about 28.5 average Thats $46 million less if they signed him last year. Nearly $4M per year less. But I agree it’s not a “disaster”. Just a worse deal for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, FireChans said: didn’t Florio report Caleb wanted partial ownership? Yes, and others corroborated this story. The Athletic even reported that his dad was trying to find ways out of being locked into a 5 year contract for first round picks, and looking into the CBA to find “loopholes”. Some think the NFL’s vote to prohibit non-family equity members right before the season was due to Caleb’s desire. I get it - you don’t like Florio. Doesn’t make him wrong though. . Edited March 10 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 19 minutes ago, Einstein said: I get it - you don’t like Florio. Doesn’t make him wrong though. His source he is quoting might be though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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