mrags Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said: Von Miller is a washed up NFL football player that is a distraction. If Von Miller was a team player he should retire. The Buffalo Bills should have never signed him. Von Miller should have been released today he has no value as a NFL player anymore and certainly can’t help the Bills other than sitting on his but with a Bills jacket wrapped around himself playing sparely. At least the Chuck Knox over the hill 1980’s Buffalo Bills players like Conrad Dobler had some professional pride and gave the 1980 Bills something. Von Miller has given the Bills nothing total waste of a Bills roster spot. I don’t want to hear about Von Miller’s knee Conrad Dobler had bad knees without the medical technology we have today to repair his knee. Suck it and play Von Miller or retire in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo Agree with this about 99%. There is that 1% chance that he comes back and is at least serviceable as a backup. Something like in the Shaq Lawson role, except on the field in obvious passing situations only. The part I agree with you with is that he’s most likely toast. But in this case we save a bunch of money, keep someone on the roster for a DE depth spot, and just cut him next year when we aren’t in cap hell. Or maybe, just maybe, he realizes he’s done and can’t come back and just calls it a career after or firing this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 39 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Super interesting, but I bet those "hard to reach incentives" were attainable in Von's eyes, which is why he agreed to it. The magic number for those incentives is 10. Not 10 sacks, but a combination of 10 tackles or QB pressures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Von stole a lot of money last season, and he’s fortunate to not be arrested or banished from the league. He owed Beane who took Von under his wing as a GM wannabe. but still surprising to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, zow2 said: Von stole a lot of money last season, and he’s fortunate to not be arrested or banished from the league. He owed Beane who took Von under his wing as a GM wannabe. but still surprising to see. He didn't steal anything. He was recovering from a serious knee injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 WOW. Good on Von for taking that hair cut. Never thought it would happen… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Ritchie Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Are the incentives public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, Ya Digg? said: How is the team going to be competitive when players know that the team will make even the best player take a pay cut? No one would want to come to Buffalo if they know that’s gonna happen His salary will be reduced, it has zero affect on anyone coming here, ya gonna say the same thing about Von? Or dumping White or Poyer? Brady understood what it took to have a competitive team, Allen will do the same, he will just push money out further, but it is coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, klos63 said: He didn't steal anything. He was recovering from a serious knee injury. That was stupid. by all parties. You don’t rehab in live games. Not at that position where the bend is critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 42 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: We were always going to be in play in FA. We were always going to get under the cap and make some moves. I still wouldn't expect anything big ticket at any position though. If we restructure Allen and Dawkins, maybe Knox. I could see a big ticket FA. If they backload a couple contracts, could make a big splash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, mrags said: Yup. But we’ll never know will we Nope and don’t care. I will take Von on a reduced contract that is incentive laden over who at Edge Kingsley Jonathan at this point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: His salary will be reduced, it has zero affect on anyone coming here, ya gonna say the same thing about Von? Or dumping White or Poyer? Brady understood what it took to have a competitive team, Allen will do the same, he will just push money out further, but it is coming. But that’s not taking a pay cut-what Brady did is completely different than what Josh will do. Josh will still get his money and rightfully so, his cap hit will be reduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 So for seemingly no reason at all, Von agreed to give us $8.6 million in cap relief this year. This is one time where I will say Beane is a wizard. I have no clue how he pulled it off. Just insane that before even restructuring Allen's contract we have already gotten under the salary cap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, klos63 said: He didn't steal anything. He was recovering from a serious knee injury. THIS. All the fans crying otherwise are just envious of his successes which earned him the $$$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 27 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: I mean he can’t afford to bring in any talent to replace the talent that aged out, which is a bad place imo. Beane is now forced to hit on every pick he makes and every signing he does, which he has struggled with. Don't we have 11 picks? If he hits on every one of them, we're a dynasty in the making. We just need to find two safeties, a kick returner and a center. None of those need be big ticket items either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 40 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: I am hoping Beane avoids restructuring Josh, which just kicks the problem down the road another season. That’s how Beane ended up where he is today. Restructuring Josh will be fine because he will always be on the team…We just need to avoid restructuring Diggs…👍 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, TheBrownBear said: Don't we have 11 picks? If he hits on every one of them, we're a dynasty in the making. We just need to find two safeties, a kick returner and a center. None of those need be big ticket items either. He'll bring in a big ticket player, I'm betting on 2 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Restructuring Josh will be fine because he will always be on the team…We just need to avoid restructuring Diggs…👍 Could Diggs be reworked? He’s due 18.5 mil on March 17th. That would be interesting. It would give us more space & possibly make him more tradeable if either party wanted that Edited March 7 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Von must have seen this tweet from earlier 😉. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 12 minutes ago, NoSaint said: what bet? He wasn’t getting more on the market so he will try to play under his already guaranteed salary instead of getting cut and collecting the same elsewhere -subsidized by the bills- and with the humbling nature of being signed to a cheaper and shorter deal Thanks. I think you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: So for seemingly no reason at all, Von agreed to give us $8.6 million in cap relief this year. This is one time where I will say Beane is a wizard. I have no clue how he pulled it off. Just insane that before even restructuring Allen's contract we have already gotten under the salary cap. Allen + Dion + Taron could get us to 35-40 mil in space I think…? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Thank you Von Miller. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Tremendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Maybe Beane told Von we would sign Chris Jones & OBJ 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 "March 6th, 2024... The day Beane discovered Red Bull" I think that's the quote of the day today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 minutes ago, klos63 said: He'll bring in a big ticket player, I'm betting on 2 of them. I agree. Beane doesn't play the game from the sideline. He's always in the fight, so there will be some big deals, for sure. There might be a trade up in the first round. It could be anything. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Nope and don’t care. I will take Von on a reduced contract that is incentive laden over who at Edge Kingsley Jonathan at this point? I’m not sure I’d rather Von than anyone else (nobody in particular) but I am interested in saving money on the cap and he did that. He gets a gold star in my book for it. Could have taken his money and refused a pay cut and then went anywhere he wanted. Good on him. Why he did it we will never know. But good on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: So for seemingly no reason at all, Von agreed to give us $8.6 million in cap relief this year. This is one time where I will say Beane is a wizard. I have no clue how he pulled it off. Just insane that before even restructuring Allen's contract we have already gotten under the salary cap. Over the Cap thinks we are saving even more: Quote While there are no details on the future years of the contract, the new cap charges for Miller should be no more than $9.904 million in 2024, which represents a gain of $13.895 million in cap space for the Bills. It could be slightly more if the team added a void year to the contract. Miller’s dead money for 2025 is now up to $20.667 million and I would not be surprised to find out that the is going to void out that year to try to create a way to use a post June 1 designation in 2025 to ease the salary cap impact. The Bills are now about $2 million over the salary cap after beginning the day $32 million over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Allen + Dion + Taron could get us to 35-40 mil in space I think…? And Knox will add more too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: I agree. Beane doesn't play the game from the sideline. He's always in the fight, so there will be some big deals, for sure. There might be a trade up in the first round. It could be anything. we should enter a bidding war with KC for Chris Jones. If we lose, they tie up more $$$. If we win, we steal their 2nd best player 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Over the Cap thinks we are saving even more: I’m siding with over the cap here over spotrac. Not sure how a guy who had 1 tackle all season has any likely to be earned incentives. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 28 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Yes if he wants to be competitive. lunancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Imagine if Diggs also reworks his deal?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Imagine if Diggs also reworks his deal?! I don't expect that to happen, but that would be fantastic! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 This is amazing. Best case he hits all his incentive money and he has a monster year!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 14 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I’m siding with over the cap here over spotrac. Not sure how a guy who had 1 tackle all season has any likely to be earned incentives. OTC is the site NFL teams use to look at info from other teams. Spotrac has better usability for some stuff, but OTC has better info and a very good calculator for cuts/restructures/etc. If there’s ever a discrepancy you can bet OTC has the correct info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I agree. Beane doesn't play the game from the sideline. He's always in the fight, so there will be some big deals, for sure. There might be a trade up in the first round. It could be anything. 100% spot on. Right now we are only 1 mill in the hole without touching Allen or Dawkins contracts. I'm betting on a nice solid FA signing and a move up in the draft. Edited March 7 by SoonerBillsFan 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 This is some serious cap space maneuvering. how does incentives work with salary cap? Sounds like Von can earn up to 20m in incentives this year. How does that end up counting against the cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 This $$$ has to be earmarked for DL reinforcements. Von did Beane a solid, and team. That $8m can go a long way to get a couple solid players, or a Floyd type on 1 year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 35 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Over the Cap thinks we are saving even more: Looks like they're ignoring the "likely to earn" incentives? Those are around $5.6M if I recall? And they actually factor into this year's cap hit when designated that way...iirc 10 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: 100% spot on. Right now we are only 1 mill in the hole without touching Allen or Dawkins contracts. I'm betting on a nice solid FA signing and a move up in the draft. If we're only $1M in the hole, that means we're actually $11M in the hole until June 1, when Tre's savings actually apply. Will be nice to regain that $10M for signing our draft class and for injury insurance and/or summer spending (think Floyd last season), but we don't actually realize those Tre White savings until a later date. Edited March 7 by Richard Noggin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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