UPDATE: SIGNED Bills looking at bringing back Trubisky per Tim Graham

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

Of all the moves yesterday, this one had me puzzled. Trubisky looked so bad last year with the Steelers. Why not sign a rookie instead of this retread. Is this just a move to make Josh feel comfortable? Like theres no competition whatsoever for the starting job? What's the logic here?

 

What are you trying to get at here?  Unless I'm taking this wrong but you want to bring a back up that could compete with Allen for the starting job?

[nucci]

14 minutes ago, Logic said:

The entire Steelers offense stunk last year. Their offensive coordinator was fired midseason after fans openly chanted "Fire Canada!" at games.

The best Trubisky has looked in his career, arguably, was when he was wearing Bills blue. 

 

Sometimes certain offenses, styles, and locker rooms fit certain players better. I think Trubisky thrived here.

Moreover, I'm just not sure who people would prefer at backup QB. The REALLY good backups in the league -- of which there are very few to begin with -- command more money and likely want a chance to compete to start. The types of guys that are willing to sign cheap contracts to be a guaranteed backups are not generally "starting caliber". That's why they're backups.

So I guess my question is: what backup that's willing to come here on a cheap deal and know for sure that he can't compete to be the starter is better than Trubisky? Who should the Bills have signed instead?

Because the Bills have great looking uniforms and he didn't have to play. You're correct though. If a backup is any good he's probably starting

[Royale with Cheese]

29 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree....clearly the dumbest move yesterday.  Here we go again,  another overpriced scrub vet who will never see the field for 2.7M.  We should've just drafted a late development guy for the rookie minimum.  

 

You want a late round rookie to be Allen's right hand man?  Why doesn't every team do that?

 

I mean, every top QB has a vet as their back up.

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

18 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

Better than Kyle Allen IMO

Ew

[nedboy7]

He is a great pickup.  Very happy w this decision.  

[ArdmoreRyno]

He's a solid QB. When he was here, I wasn't totally terrified (just 95%, instead of 100%) if Josh had to come out. Trubisky has some of similar traits as Josh. 

[Einstein]

Just now, ArdmoreRyno said:

He's a solid QB. 

 

He's really not.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

One of the better back up QB in the league

 

Not everyone can be a starter

 

Is certainly worth back up money

U mean 3rd string or practice squad QB! 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

He's really not.

 

Cool, thanks for chiming in. I disagree 👍

[GunnerBill]

$5.25m over 2 years. $2.7m guaranteed. Looks right about where I pegged it.

[Buffalo03]

Am I the only one that thinks that, if God forbid he has to play here, that he actually wouldn't be THAT bad? I feel like we are probably the most talented team he has been a part of and he was a #2 overall pick. There could be way worse options

Edited March 7 by Buffalo03

[nucci]

why is everyone describing him as solid? What is solid about him?

[ngbills]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

$5.25m over 2 years. $2.7m guaranteed. Looks right about where I pegged it.

Honestly why waste anything more than $1M on a back up QB? KC paid Gabbert $1M or CIN had Browning at $750K to be a back up which is a much better use of $. If we need Trubisky to play more than a few games the season is in trouble no matter what. 

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

$5.25m over 2 years. $2.7m guaranteed. Looks right about where I pegged it.

 

It's fair for both sides.  I like the idea that he will be the backup for 2 years running.

 

Backup QBs do more than thrown the ball when the starter is out.  I think what he brings to the table there is worth the little extra $s.

Wouldn't mind a rookie to go to the PS if Beane has any leftover 6th rounders.  Get the QB room stable with 3 QBs for the next few years.

[Shaw66]

I really like this.  I wonder if Trubisky has reached the conclusion that his future now is journeyman backup.  If so, this is great.   He might have a three-four-five-year run in Buffalo.   He has the size, arm, running style, and brains to be a JA backup.  A good fit in the QB room and a decent guy to put on the field if the need arises.   I assume he and Josh get along, or else the Bills wouldn't have done this. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Beane and McDermott really like what they know. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

I really like this.  I wonder if Trubisky has reached the conclusion that his future now is journeyman backup.  If so, this is great.   He might have a three-four-five-year run in Buffalo.   He has the size, arm, running style, and brains to be a JA backup.  A good fit in the QB room and a decent guy to put on the field if the need arises.   I assume he and Josh get along, or else the Bills wouldn't have done this. 

 

Agree.  I said so in the post above yours.  I'd add a 6th rounder QB with some potential (and some Josh type traits) for the PS too.

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

Trubisky seriously looked like one of the worst qbs in the league last year. He looked like a guy that wanted to be a backup and hold a clipboard , and when his number was called did not seem remotely prepared or motivated.

 

For a team that has cap issues , I don't understand this signing at all . We would have been better served to use a late round pick on a QB.

[Aussie Joe]

I resent every dollar over the minimum that they pay this guy …

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

It is absurd to think the HC (who didn't have the time to figure out the QB position 3 months from the draft in 2017) could assess during that time how the 2018 QB class would fare AND that Buffalo would get into position to draft one.  A new HC who needed help to draft a WR from the new position coach and then got intel from Carolina to jump up and take an OT in RD2.  The problem McD had in the 2017 off-season was he didn't prioritize the QB or offense in general and defaulted to what he knew: secondary and defense.  It was a strategic decision made by him, the dominant voice in the room (and still is) to go down that road.    

 

You well know that rebuilding teams don't have a chance in back to back years to find a veritable franchise QB.  Missed opportunities don't typically have happy endings for those teams, of which there are a few notables across the NFL right now.  Delaying the decision to draft a QB is often how new GMs and HC's wind up among the unemployed. 

 

The trade for Tre, on its face was bad then but is seen as worse not because we have hindsight on Mahomes.  It was bad investing a 1st round pick at a position that, from a positional value standpoint, features zone corners who aren't top picks or big dollar UFAs.  McD has demonstrated he can get adequate play from lesser value picks/UFAs. 

 

McD has and probably always will be stubborn to a fault by not acquiescing to the fact the NFL is offense-driven and his vision does not align with that.  He just started demonstrating that really early in 2017.   

 

 

The 2018 QB draft was WIDELY speculated to be an all-time great draft. That was known at least a year out. You can go back through the archives here (at least I think) prior to the 2017 draft and see how many advocated for a QB in 2018. I was one of them. The person that should get lots of credit is @thebandit27 for banging the table for Mahomes pre-draft. He LOVED him. 
 

2 1sts will almost always afford you the opportunity to obtain a high end QB prospect. That holds especially true in a year, where your team was carrying the HIGHEST DEAD CAP NUMBER IN NFL HISTORY. The Bills knew that they weren’t going to be very good in 2018. Their pick was going to be, at worst, the middle of the round. That coupled with an additional 1st was going to be enough to get you in striking range for Rosen, Allen, Baker, Darnold, Lamar or Rudolph (depending on how the 2017 college season played out). 
 

I am in agreement that McDermott’s allocation of assets is backwards. Helping Josh is priorities 1-5. I saw this on Twitter: Since 2018 (Josh draft) the Bills have spent 2739.8 draft value pts on 6 DL; they’ve allocated 144.1 draft value points to 7 WR. If you include Diggs that’s 924.1 points. That’s an average DL draft spot of pick 44. It’s an average WR spot of 177 (96 w Diggs). 

[Einstein]

47 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

U mean 3rd string or practice squad QB! 

Agreed.

 

The guy is terrible and I really don't understand why we want him back.

Maybe the thinking is "if Josh goes down, lets just lose as many games as possible and get a higher draft pick"?

If so, Trubisky is perfect.

Beane playing chess!

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Honestly why waste anything more than $1M on a back up QB? KC paid Gabbert $1M or CIN had Browning at $750K to be a back up which is a much better use of $. If we need Trubisky to play more than a few games the season is in trouble no matter what. 

 

So I'd pay him more than Gabbert for the same reason I'd rather have Trubisky than Kyle Allen - he's better. Browning had a nice year last year. I actually liked him as draftable the year he came out. But it has taken him 5 or 6 seasons to get on an NFL field. 

 

I have been clear I'd draft a kid too on day 3 and be willing to carry a 3rd on the roster in 2024 while you let the day 3 guy learn and develop with the hope that the next 3 years he is your backup at a day 3 rookie contract number. But those are, to an extent, lottery tickets.

 

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So I'd pay him more than Gabbert for the same reason I'd rather have Trubisky than Kyle Allen - he's better. Browning had a nice year last year. I actually liked him as draftable the year he came out. But it has taken him 5 or 6 seasons to get on an NFL field. 

 

I have been clear I'd draft a kid too on day 3 and be willing to carry a 3rd on the roster in 2024 while you let the day 3 guy learn and develop with the hope that the next 3 years he is your backup at a day 3 rookie contract number. But those are, to an extent, lottery tickets.

 

I tend to agree. But in a year that we are cap strapped I risk having a lower quality back up QB and use the extra money on starting caliber DL, WR and DB. 

[RyanC883]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So I'd pay him more than Gabbert for the same reason I'd rather have Trubisky than Kyle Allen - he's better. Browning had a nice year last year. I actually liked him as draftable the year he came out. But it has taken him 5 or 6 seasons to get on an NFL field. 

 

I have been clear I'd draft a kid too on day 3 and be willing to carry a 3rd on the roster in 2024 while you let the day 3 guy learn and develop with the hope that the next 3 years he is your backup at a day 3 rookie contract number. But those are, to an extent, lottery tickets.

 

 

yeah, but if you hit those tickets you can cash them in for draft picks like the Pats did

 

 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

The Steelers whole offense was a mess and Matt Canada was arguably the worst OC in the NFL. 

 

I'm not saying Mitch is a top tier backup, but I'm also gonna say that in the scope of what really matters for Bills W/L it's pretty unimportant. 

I thought he was the worst coordinator in college football before he came to the NFL and people are seriously underestimating this when it comes to Trubisky. 

[Don Otreply]

The thing with Mitch is that he does not play with confidence, his body language says “I’m nervous”,  it is as if he doesn’t believe in himself to some degree or another, 

[BigAl2526]

He seemed to work pretty well as Allen's backup.  At this point he's probably figured out that he's destined to be a backup the rest of his career, so he's content with a backup's contract.  I'm OK with it if it is a cap friendly deal.  I do think the Bills need to start thinking about bringing in a developmental guy.

[Livinginthepast]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

What are you trying to get at here?  Unless I'm taking this wrong but you want to bring a back up that could compete with Allen for the starting job?

Not suggesting that all. Just trying to understand why you bring in a backup who proved himself totally useless when called upon last year and costs more money than a rookie would? Heaven forbid if Josh got injured but I would want somebody who might be able to win a game. Even Rudolph was better than Trubisky last year.

[Fan in Chicago]

45 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Not suggesting that all. Just trying to understand why you bring in a backup who proved himself totally useless when called upon last year and costs more money than a rookie would? Heaven forbid if Josh got injured but I would want somebody who might be able to win a game. Even Rudolph was better than Trubisky last year.

If I remember correctly, Trubisky was QB under Canada and Rudolph played after Canada was fired. 

That's why, Its not a fair comparison between Trubisky and Rudolph. 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

I don’t get why the Buffalo Bills overpaid for backup quarterback Mitch Trubisky? That is a mystery to me when you have Josh Allen? If Josh Allen gets potentially injured for any length of time the Bills season is over anyway. So I don’t get overpaying for a backup quarterback when the Bills have so many greater needs than overpaying for a backup quarterback in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited March 8 by Buffalo Super Fan

[BobbyC81]

I just don’t understand this move at this time.  Were they afraid another team was going to sign him?  Please!  What was wrong with Kyle Allen?  

[NastyNateSoldiers]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So I'd pay him more than Gabbert for the same reason I'd rather have Trubisky than Kyle Allen - he's better. Browning had a nice year last year. I actually liked him as draftable the year he came out. But it has taken him 5 or 6 seasons to get on an NFL field. 

 

I have been clear I'd draft a kid too on day 3 and be willing to carry a 3rd on the roster in 2024 while you let the day 3 guy learn and develop with the hope that the next 3 years he is your backup at a day 3 rookie contract number. But those are, to an extent, lottery tickets.

 

How is he better? If anything there on the same level. Do u realize Trubisky lost his job to the emergency QB last yr in Pittsburgh? and there Wrs we're about to conduct a mutiny if he wasn't benched ? 😂. He's hot Trash that's why I call him the Garbage Man! 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

How is he better? 

 

At football.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

13 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I thought he was the worst coordinator in college football before he came to the NFL and people are seriously underestimating this when it comes to Trubisky. 

Again like I said before Canada was not the OC when Trubisky took over for Pickett.  

 

Why did Rudolph play so much better then Trubisky when he came in? It wasn't coaching it was Trubisky is 🗑️

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

At football.

He's better at holding on to the ball to long unless he's getting sacked then he's fumbling or is he more accurate? We all know Trubisky is horrible can't put lipstick on a pig. Take his draft position and his name away and over the last few seasons he's no better then a min wage QB maybe even a emergency QB at this point. U probably liked him coming out the draft but it's over for him Gunner he's 🗑️

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

U probably liked him coming out the draft but it's over for him Gunner he's 🗑️

 

I didn't actually. I thought he was overdrafted. No way I'd have taken him 2nd overall. 

 

But I don't think he is as bad as you seem to. I've heard your opinion. I disagree with it.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I didn't actually. I thought he was overdrafted. No way I'd have taken him 2nd overall. 

 

But I don't think he is as bad as you seem to. I've heard your opinion. I disagree with it.

But u really haven't stated why your just disagreeing with me. He's horrible and u know it. 

 

Trubisky is nether a timing anticipation QB nor does he have a rocket arm to play his style of holding the ball so long nor does he even have the accuracy to get the ball to where it needs to go when he does see the Wrs breaking open. Trubisky has no real skill set and he deserves the worst contract and team can hand out a vet min with no guarantees to even make the team. I'm still hoping the Bills draft a QB in later rds and that young cost control QB can take his job from him I guess we can eat the 2.85 mil guarantee we gave him. I mean the guy was demoted last yr lost his job to the 3rd string QB how does he end up getting a promotion ? 

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Again like I said before Canada was not the OC when Trubisky took over for Pickett.  

 

Why did Rudolph play so much better then Trubisky when he came in? It wasn't coaching it was Trubisky is 🗑️

I like to look at the totality of a career and not two games.  He's an average NFL backup.  You disagree and that's fine.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I like to look at the totality of a career and not two games.  He's an average NFL backup.  You disagree and that's fine.

He's hit the downhill spiral since he put up 54 pts in a game with Chicago. The game ball from that game should go to some museum or maybe even the hof since that was such a abnormal performance 😂. 

 

We should've given him a 1yr vet min with no guarantees and if he didn't want that then go somewhere else to play. The Bills should use a late Rd pk on a QB to develop for the bkup role there's actually potential in doing something like that maybe u hit big and u can trade that player for something down the line or at least u have a cost control player that bks up your star QB for yrs to come. 

[machine gun kelly]

I like it.  He’s a capable backup,but needs to accept he’s not starting material anymore.  He’s turning 30 this season.  He should accept his $2.6 mil. For next 7 years and relax.

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

But u really haven't stated why your just disagreeing with me. He's horrible and u know it. 

 

 

The things I think he does well? I think he has good intermediate accuracy when you can keep him clean and give him crisp reads, I think he has an effective play-action fake and generally executes those concepts well. He can move and buy time outside the pocket and is a capable thrower on the run and he can make first downs with his legs as a scrambler (which is always one of the first things I look for in a backup QB because if you end up living and dying by the arm of your backup you are dead in the water whoever he is). 

 

Where I don't disagree with you is that he holds the ball forever - he definitely does. He can be easily confused if you can take his first read away, has a slightly funky release that takes longer than ideal, is inaccurate when the pocket gets messy and has always been susceptible to being baited into mistakes when teams simulate pressures and drop out into zone. 

 

All of which equates to a mid backup. Which is what I think he is. And that is still an upgrade on what we had last year.

37 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

He's hit the downhill spiral since he put up 54 pts in a game with Chicago. The game ball from that game should go to some museum or maybe even the hof since that was such a abnormal performance 😂. 

 

We should've given him a 1yr vet min with no guarantees and if he didn't want that then go somewhere else to play. The Bills should use a late Rd pk on a QB to develop for the bkup role there's actually potential in doing something like that maybe u hit big and u can trade that player for something down the line or at least u have a cost control player that bks up your star QB for yrs to come. 

 

This move should absolutely not stop them trying to do that.