SoonerBillsFan Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: There is a decent way to explain why the team would choose to move on from Tre White. A player that has been nothing short of the consummate professional and an outstanding representative of the team. And then there is the disrespectful, lazy way that you presented it. Agreed. But,they do need to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The salary cap also has to be taken into account. T. White’s salary for 2024 is $8.3M. If he was cut, his dead cap would be $10.3M. Not that much of a difference but when you’re starting at $50M+ over the cap, every little bit matters. Lower that salary to $3 or $4M and he may be worth keeping around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Is it me or is mental illness getting worse lately? 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 hours ago, Jim said: t's right there in the title. The title makes no sense. It does not take guts to move on from Tre White 34 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said: The salary cap also has to be taken into account. T. White’s salary for 2024 is $8.3M. If he was cut, his dead cap would be $10.3M. Not that much of a difference but when you’re starting at $50M+ over the cap, every little bit matters. Lower that salary to $3 or $4M and he may be worth keeping around. They would save 6M by waiving him. But he would have to be healthy to do so. His cap it is 16M which is more than just his salary. 2024 Dead Cap: $10,369,8362024 Cap Savings: $6,073,901 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 hours ago, Jim said: It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. Don’t hold back Jim, tell us how you really feel… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I welcome Jim's rants to the board! we need people with different takes and particularly who challenge feel good trash themes on here. I saw a podcast w shannon sharp and charles ochocinco. the short of it is ocho was being fairly dovish talking about how guys coming off of injury need time and we have to accept their poor performance, and shannon was being militant saying there is an expectation that post injury or not, when a player plays there is an expectation of their performance. von has been absolute trash, tre was bad but maybe not trash at the end of last season (certainly not good) and was ok to start this season but obviously got hurt again. in this podcast, examples of heroic returns of some great players, and rapid returns to play no less, were cited. guys coming off acl in the same year to ball out. 20+ years ago. tre also expressed concern about covid, and playing during the covid thing. he's cleary got concerns about health, which is not ideal for a football player coming off of his second massive season ending injury. he's also not starting out as the fastest cb either, so these injuries won't help that at all. kc wouldn't keep this guy, why should we? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: The more I read about this "anchoring" technique to heal a torn achilles... no. Tre might actually be participating fully in the minicamp in a couple months. I think we restructure his deal, which would be smart, but if we get a fully healthy Tre White by minicamp, maybe McDermott and Babbich can transition Benford or Douglas to Safety. Achilles tears are not the injuries they used to be — at all. I won’t be shocked if he’s fine by camp. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 hours ago, Jim said: It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. Spoken like a true "Bandwagon" fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Hulka Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 10 hours ago, Jim said: It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. While I think you could have stated your preferences with more decorum, I agree that for the money and cap hit, it's time to part ways with White, possibly with some injury settlement. I can agree on Knox too, given his value/cost ratio. There's no question, whether "true fans" will admit it or not, that Damar Hamlin is not an NFL roster worthy performer at this point, and that he was only kept around this past season because of the bad PR that releasing him would have presented. If fans don't think PR is a vital consideration in front office dealings, just look at how the Matt Araiza and Leslie Frazier exits were delicately (if not cowardly) handled. I also believe it's time to take the cap medicine hit and release Von Miller. The bottom line is that it's a business. Edited February 13 by Sargent Hulka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 12 hours ago, Jim said: It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. This is dumb. Guts isn't an issue. And the fact that you think you know what his ceiling is now only shows you don't know the difference between opinions and facts. This will be about making educated guesses at the future, with infinitely more knowledge of Tre's medical situation than you and I have and trying to fit a situation with dozens of moving parts and information that can never be complete into the teams's situation, which has millions of moving parts and can never be even anywhere close to complete. Is it possible they ask him to take a bit of a cut? Yeah. Does it have anything to do with guts? Nope. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 OP learn some class. My God. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 5 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: So u want to wait in see if this new technique will work for Tre while the team is over the cap by 45 mil ? Then if he's good move another corner that's just fine at there position to safety I don't think that's logical its time to move on and use the cap savings on a real safety. The technique has already worked and quickly for a number of players. Plus the team only saves about $6m if they cut him. Doubt you find a replacement corner at his level for that money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Sargent Hulka said: While I think you could have stated your preferences with more decorum, I agree that for the money and cap hit, it's time to part ways with White, possibly with some injury settlement. I can agree on Knox too, given his value/cost ratio. There's no question, whether "true fans" will admit it or not, that Damar Hamlin is not an NFL roster worthy performer at this point, and that he was only kept around this past season because of the bad PR that releasing him would have presented. If fans don't think PR is a vital consideration in front office dealings, just look at how the Matt Araiza and Leslie Frazier exits were delicately (if not cowardly) handled. I also believe it's time to take the cap medicine hit and release Von Miller. The bottom line is that it's a business. Whisper it quietly.... I'm not sure he ever was. He was at best a low end backup. Taylor Rapp is nobody's idea of a starting safety and yet he was 20 times better this year than Hamlin was even pre-injury last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: The technique has already worked and quickly for a number of players. Plus the team only saves about $6m if they cut him. Doubt you find a replacement corner at his level for that money Tre White of 4 years ago, no. Tre White today, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill51390 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I think he takes a pay cut to stay and play here. He’s not going to get much of anything as a free agent. Might as well try and stay where you are familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Sargent Hulka said: While I think you could have stated your preferences with more decorum, I agree that for the money and cap hit, it's time to part ways with White, possibly with some injury settlement. I can agree on Knox too, given his value/cost ratio. There's no question, whether "true fans" will admit it or not, that Damar Hamlin is not an NFL roster worthy performer at this point, and that he was only kept around this past season because of the bad PR that releasing him would have presented. If fans don't think PR is a vital consideration in front office dealings, just look at how the Matt Araiza and Leslie Frazier exits were delicately (if not cowardly) handled. I also believe it's time to take the cap medicine hit and release Von Miller. The bottom line is that it's a business. PR matters. You don't want free agents thinking "Buffalo is the place where they cold-blooded cut the dude who died on the field for them." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 12 hours ago, Jim said: Here's the thing. I'm not Brandon Beane, Sean McDipshit or Terry Pegula. They can let him down easy when they cut his ass an wish him well. I'm a fan who wants to win. It seems like Tre is a wonderful young man. But guess what? He hasn't do ***** to help us win in a long time. So guess what? So long *****. See ya when you're back to "lead the charge!" Im not sure you are even a "fan"...you sound like some dude who just caught his wife getting plowed by his brother. Your hasn't done **** since 2021 is inaccurate as well. Just about any fan who has even a sliver of football knowledge understood that players coming back from a torn ACL often don't get back closer to a full recovery until the season after they return. Which is exactly what happened with Tre who looked good before suffering another injury this year. He is definitely going to be an interesting one to watch as I really can't see how they can afford to keep him with our cap situation, so something is going to have to likely be reworked or he could very well be a cap casualty. But he deserves a lot more respect than you are giving him especially how he worked his way back and then suffered another significant injury that had him emotionally breaking down as he was carted off the field. So maybe tone it down or redirect your meltdown elsewhere rather than one of the most talented, professional, hard working, dedicated players this franchise has on this team who is beloved by fans and in the locker room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, FireChans said: PR matters. You don't want free agents thinking "Buffalo is the place where they cold-blooded cut the dude who died on the field for them." Winning > PR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, uticaclub said: Winning > PR Being an attractive destination for free agents helps winning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) It’s like the OP is angry at Tre White. Get a grip. Edited February 13 by Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Everyday is Tre day, ya dig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 There is way too much talk about ass cutting in this thread for a Tuesday morning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) He's not going to get paid by this or any other team given the last 3 seasons that would be foolish for any team to pay him as the player he was before the injuries . If i was Beane i would give him a prove it deal (Maybe) but not at corner maybe safety & then i'd have to think about it . I hate that Tre has been dealt the hand he has been but he has, Beane will do what ever is in the best interest of the team both from a business stand point & the player . We all know Tre has the heart but physically can he come back, only time will tell there have been others that this type of thing has ended their careers . I think all of Bills mafia were hoping Tre would be a cornerstone of this team for many years but right now none of us not even Beane or McD can know that answer . Edited February 13 by T master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Being an attractive destination for free agents helps winning. Do you think free agents are going to want to sign someplace where one of the precious roster spots is reserved for a guy they feel bad for? That's not a winning mentality and that's why a FA wouldn't sign here. The players are as cutthroat as anyone. There should be little concern for symphony or compassion, that's weakness. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, T master said: He's not going to get paid by this or any other team given the last 3 seasons that would be foolish for any team to pay him as the player he was before the injuries . If i was Beane i would give him a prove it deal (Maybe) but not at corner maybe safety & then i'd have to think about it . I hate that Tre has been dealt the hand he has been but he has, Beane will do what ever is in the best interest of the team both from a business stand point & the player . We all know Tre has the heart but physically can he come back, only time will tell there have been others that this type of thing has ended their careers . I think all of Bills mafia were hoping Tre would be a cornerstone of this team for many years but right now none of us not even Beane or McD can know that answer . I’m not positive that he can make the transition to safety seems a little on the small side 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Do you think free agents are going to want to sign someplace where one of the precious roster spots is reserved for a guy they feel bad for? That's not a winning mentality and that's why a FA wouldn't sign here. The players are as cutthroat as anyone. There should be little concern for symphony or compassion, that's weakness. You admitted its bad PR. I'm not talking about end of the roster guys (spoiler: end of the roster guys are pretty much interchangeable and don't matter all that much), I'm talking about guys like Leonard Floyd, mid tier FA's who might raise eyebrows if the team cut the dude who died on the field and had multiple teams to pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 32 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: The technique has already worked and quickly for a number of players. Plus the team only saves about $6m if they cut him. Doubt you find a replacement corner at his level for that money I would offer him a paycut if not good bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 13 hours ago, Jim said: Here's the thing. I'm not Brandon Beane, Sean McDipshit or Terry Pegula. They can let him down easy when they cut his ass a wish him well. I'm a fan who wants to win. It seems like Tre is a wonderful young man. But guess what? He hasn't do ***** to help us win in a long time. So guess what? So long *****. See ya when you're back to "lead the charge!" Did you forget your meds today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I’m not positive that he can make the transition to safety seems a little on the small side Does the one inch, five pound difference between him and Hyde make that much difference? Could Tre carry an extra five pounds if needed for the move to FS? There’s a lot of conjecture regarding Tre White, but the idea of just letting him go without knowing his rehab status is shortsighted at best. I wouldn’t count him out, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: You admitted its bad PR. I'm not talking about end of the roster guys (spoiler: end of the roster guys are pretty much interchangeable and don't matter all that much), I'm talking about guys like Leonard Floyd, mid tier FA's who might raise eyebrows if the team cut the dude who died on the field and had multiple teams to pick. I don't believe that cutting someone who almost died is bad publicity. In the end, the game is all about winning, not feel-good stories. Damar wasn't even a high-draft pick, he was a fringe player when he suffered a heart attack. Leonard Floyd has made it clear that he prioritizes money over everything else. He doesn't care whether the team cuts Hamlin or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, uticaclub said: I don't believe that cutting someone who almost died is bad publicity. In the end, the game is all about winning, not feel-good stories. Damar wasn't even a high-draft pick, he was a fringe player when he suffered a heart attack. Leonard Floyd has made it clear that he prioritizes money over everything else. He doesn't care whether the team cuts Hamlin or not. I think it would be very bad publicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think it would be very bad publicity. I think he would stand a very real chance of losing the locker room, and probably some chances at pre-agents in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I would offer him a paycut if not good bye This is what my gut tells me will happen. And it's a good move for both parties. Tre won't likely see big bucks as a FA. And if he comes back and is able to play I don't know if he's better than Douglas or Benford at this stage of his career. He's likely the #3 boundary CB. The one caveat here is IF he were to come back and IF he's healthy enough to be the #2 CB...a case could be made for the Bills to start the Benford to safety transition they talked about last off season. That would also IMO depend on Elam taking steps forward and possibly Dane Jackson returning as experienced depth. So a lot in play for a move like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 24 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: This is what my gut tells me will happen. And it's a good move for both parties. Tre won't likely see big bucks as a FA. And if he comes back and is able to play I don't know if he's better than Douglas or Benford at this stage of his career. He's likely the #3 boundary CB. The one caveat here is IF he were to come back and IF he's healthy enough to be the #2 CB...a case could be made for the Bills to start the Benford to safety transition they talked about last off season. That would also IMO depend on Elam taking steps forward and possibly Dane Jackson returning as experienced depth. So a lot in play for a move like this. Agree. It almost amounts to the pay cut being a "prove your still worth elite money" deal. I think Tre would take it and not feel bad about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) On 2/12/2024 at 10:53 PM, transplantbillsfan said: The more I read about this "anchoring" technique to heal a torn achilles... no. Tre might actually be participating fully in the minicamp in a couple months. I think we restructure his deal, which would be smart, but if we get a fully healthy Tre White by minicamp, maybe McDermott and Babbich can transition Benford or Douglas to Safety. Thanks, transplant. They may move on from here and the back to back injury sucks, but honestly, I have always thought that even though he was lost for the season this injury just wasn't that bad and that he likely won't even miss camp. Tre of old and right off the bat? Probably not, but I just know he'll be back, sooner rather than later, and that this was not career ending. Edited February 14 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 28 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: This is what my gut tells me will happen. And it's a good move for both parties. Tre won't likely see big bucks as a FA. And if he comes back and is able to play I don't know if he's better than Douglas or Benford at this stage of his career. He's likely the #3 boundary CB. The one caveat here is IF he were to come back and IF he's healthy enough to be the #2 CB...a case could be made for the Bills to start the Benford to safety transition they talked about last off season. That would also IMO depend on Elam taking steps forward and possibly Dane Jackson returning as experienced depth. So a lot in play for a move like this. I rather have the depth at Corner then to move anyone to safety. Safeties are loaded in free agency and it's a value position just sign 2 new guys for cheap. It's time to find our new dynamic duo at Safety . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sargent Hulka Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, FireChans said: PR matters. You don't want free agents thinking "Buffalo is the place where they cold-blooded cut the dude who died on the field for them." I get that, but how many seasons does he occupy a roster spot solely because management fears repercussion sentiments by releasing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 13 hours ago, Success said: Huh? I already feel like this is going to be the longest off-season EVER. Not sure I have the guts or mental ability to overpower it... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 14 hours ago, Jim said: Does this team actually have the guts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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