Old Coot Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 7 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Dennis Shaw's 1971 season was THE WORST season by a Bills quarterback in our history. 1-11 record, 1,813 passing yards, 11 TDs, 26 INTs, 51.2% completions. The Bills' OL was crap during Shaw's tenure. Over 3 seasons (1970-72) he was sacked 110 times! The Electric Company did not turn on the Juice until 1973. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 6 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Marcus Aurelius remembers ... Richie Lucas who was a first round pick in both the 1960 NFL draft and the 1960 American Football League draft. Lucas signed with the Buffalo Bills of the newly-formed AFL, making him officially the BILLS first player! and he created a very nice Men's store - O'Connell Lucas and Chelf, now simply called O'Connell's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 17 hours ago, finn said: I loved Kelly, but I don't think there's any question at all that Allen is a better quarterback in every respect. (I don't count hardware, never have.) Kelly was surrounded by HOF players, I think maybe Diggs is the only HOF player Allen has had. Comparing the two QB'S, Allen bests Kelly in almost every category except making Super Bowls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 16 hours ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: Ed Frubek He was so bad, he isn't listed anywhere 🤔🤨 I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Josh is already the best in Buffalo history. I agree that Peterman was the worst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Fun article! Poor Dave Campo. 😕 Poorer Heath Shuler. 😕😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 15 hours ago, The Jokeman said: I disagree Kelly threw maddening interceptions similar to Josh. The only difference is he had two Hall of Famers in Reed and Lofton. Then Bill Brooks that was a premier WR in Indy before he got here. Oh and Thurman who was as complete a RB as you'll ever find. Kelly did have a better cast of characters. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 19 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: My first childhood football hero. Really. In his defense, he messed up his shoulder pretty bad that year. In 1970, he was a slightly more acceptable 3-8-1. That injury ruined his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 I know there are much worse QBs statistically, but I can’t believe nobody mentioned Rob Johnson. Peterman was a 5th round pick without many expectations to begin with. The amount of resources to get RJ along w/ his terrible robotic play and the Flutie benching make him the most disappointing QB in Bills history. I’ll stand by that opinion until the day I die. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 21 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Marcus Aurelius remembers ... Richie Lucas who was a first round pick in both the 1960 NFL draft and the 1960 American Football League draft. Lucas signed with the Buffalo Bills of the newly-formed AFL, making him officially the BILLS first player! looks like this was taken at Knox Farm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 58 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I know there are much worse QBs statistically, but I can’t believe nobody mentioned Rob Johnson. Peterman was a 5th round pick without many expectations to begin with. The amount of resources to get RJ along w/ his terrible robotic play and the Flutie benching make him the most disappointing QB in Bills history. I’ll stand by that opinion until the day I die. Most disappointing, sure. But not the worst, not by a long shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) Allen is better than Kelly. I loved Jimbo but I don’t even think it’s close. Edited February 10 by BananaB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 2/9/2024 at 6:05 PM, EasternOHBillsFan said: Dennis Shaw's 1971 season was THE WORST season by a Bills quarterback in our history. 1-11 record, 1,813 passing yards, 11 TDs, 26 INTs, 51.2% completions. Yes, but just the year before, he was AFL Rookie of the Year. So, we got that goin’ for us, which is nice.. https://images.app.goo.gl/wXbJpqZtBw4rWr9G8 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/9/2024 at 4:39 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said: When you combine stats and his name, Joe Dufek is my choice for worst ever... 1-4, 49% comp %, 4 TD 8 INT Stats alone it is Peterman by a landslide.... Some of us on this board will remember it was so bad with the Bills. This was a catch phrase... " What the heck, why not Dufek" 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranded in Boston Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 23 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: My first childhood football hero. Really. In his defense, he messed up his shoulder pretty bad that year. In 1970, he was a slightly more acceptable 3-8-1. I'll also chime in with you, Frankish. Shaw looked promising in 1970, and he was banged up throughout the 1971 season. Plus that '71 offensive line was likely the worst in Bills history, a total sieve. Neither Shaw nor James Harris had a chance back there; I recall the Vikings sacked Shaw 10 times in one game. Plus the Bills were always playing from behind and forced to throw, because their defense was horrible (with the exception of the great Robert James, of course!). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Too many youngsters here. How about Billy Joe Hobert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 30 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Yes, but just the year before, he was AFL Rookie of the Year. So, we got that goin’ for us, which is nice.. https://images.app.goo.gl/wXbJpqZtBw4rWr9G8 For one season, Dennis Shaw has to have the title I think... career wise, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 5 minutes ago, Wacka said: Too many youngsters here. How about Billy Joe Hobert. I mean, it's not like he wasn't mentioned on the first page or anything... 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/9/2024 at 6:05 PM, EasternOHBillsFan said: Dennis Shaw's 1971 season was THE WORST season by a Bills quarterback in our history. 1-11 record, 1,813 passing yards, 11 TDs, 26 INTs, 51.2% completions. 1970 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) I have watched since the mid 80's. In a vast sea of bad options, the three worst to me in my memory were Nathan Peterman, Jeff Tuel and Bruce Mathison. For those who don't remember, Mathison was a QB from Nebraska who started the year before Kelly. Think JP Losman with close to Peterman's proneness to turnovers. I'll give him a pass over the other two because the team was in a full blown rebuild at the time and QB's had it a little tougher in the 80's The leaves Tuel and Peterman. Tuel was a UDFA who only saw the field because Manual and Kolb got hurt. He was awful, but should not have put in that position in the first place. Peterman had a little more expectations, he was seen as a 5th round steal, some saw him as a dark horse starter or at least as a stop gap option. He also had a larger knack for pick 6's like I have never seen. When you play the Bears, hold them to under 250 total yards and still lose 41-9, that should give an idea of just how much of a liability that he was. It is Peterman by a long shot and then everyone else. Edited February 11 by dgrochester55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Brian Brohm was pretty terrible in the limited action he saw. His passer rating was even worse than Peterman's. And I also recall folks on here clamoring to see him play lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/9/2024 at 11:45 PM, Rubes said: Fun to read article from SportsDrop on each NFL team's best and worst QBs. Just remember, this is the guy our current coach picked to start at one point. Absolutely incredible how this guy ***** the bed when he got the big chance. There have been plenty of really bad QBs for the Bills over the years, but it's hard to argue with just how bad Peterman was when he took the field. Others you would argue were worse? Dan Darragh is thankful for Nathan Peterman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Worst? Billy Joe Hobert. How do you not study a playbook at the NFL level? For bing an idiot, he ranks first in my book. If you are choosing worst based on a lengthy starting span? Manuel. Wasted first round pick and was a terrible QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/9/2024 at 8:04 PM, mikemac2001 said: Billy joe Hobert Yeah, Billy Joe Gunrack was my fav! What an obtuse clown, who admitted to never studying the playbook because he was drunk the night before and didn’t expect to play! 😂🤪 17/30 (56%) 133 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/9/2024 at 6:15 PM, MJS said: Brian Brohm takes the cake for me. Two starts, 0 wins, 0 TD's, 5 INT's, 51.9 completion percentage. He had a 9.6 INT percentage, higher than Nathan Peterman's. Peterman at least won a game... He decided to stay in college for one more year - had he come out earlier he was considered an overall #1 pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 15 hours ago, prissythecat said: Brian Brohm was pretty terrible in the limited action he saw. His passer rating was even worse than Peterman's. And I also recall folks on here clamoring to see him play lol. I remember taking flak from the Brohm fans when I mentioned that I thought it was not possible that Russ Brandon had outsmarted all the other GMs, including the best ones in the league, when he signed Brohm off GB's practice squad. My logic was that a 2nd round QB pick who gets waived before his 2nd season & not claimed and then had spent the season on a practice squad with nobody else interested, was not some genius signing by Russ Brandon & our management team. They said things like Buddy Nix was the one behind the Brohm signing (like that was any better than Russ Brandon), that Brohm was projected as the #1 pick before his last year in college, and "I saw him play in college". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonadguy Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 17 hours ago, PonyBoy said: Some of us on this board will remember it was so bad with the Bills. This was a catch phrase... " What the heck, why not Dufek" 😑 Joe Dufek. A name lost to history 😂😂😂. i mean can we all admit the the Bills had many bad quarterbacks! Many. Here’s a better question…How many Bills bad quarterbacks would be on the list if they played for other teams. 😂 there’s so many.. Dufek, Totten, Ferragamo, and the others listed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/9/2024 at 6:26 PM, warrior9 said: But he is a strong christian. God was not on Peterman’s side while playing football…, 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 TE (AKA - Captain Checkdown)....and it's not even close. Why this franchise ever hitched their wagons to this clown is far beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 20 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: He decided to stay in college for one more year - had he come out earlier he was considered an overall #1 pick I think you’re thinking Matt Barkley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/9/2024 at 6:34 PM, finn said: I loved Kelly, but I don't think there's any question at all that Allen is a better quarterback in every respect. (I don't count hardware, never have.) I would give the deep arcing ball to Kelly. Also the short area touch passes and the quick slant throws. So, not Every respect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/10/2024 at 8:07 PM, prissythecat said: Brian Brohm was pretty terrible in the limited action he saw. His passer rating was even worse than Peterman's. And I also recall folks on here clamoring to see him play lol. We all just wanted the alliteration: Buffalo Bills’ Brian Brohm Becomes Bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Id like to nominate Bruce Mathison and Vince Ferragamo https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MathBr00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FerrVi00.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 For my money, it was the day we traded Bill Miller & Daryl Lamonica to Oakland for Art Powell & Tom Flores. Honorable mention; believing it was a no brainer Pete Gogolak would re-sign with us. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/11/2024 at 12:18 PM, bostonadguy said: Joe Dufek. A name lost to history 😂😂😂. i mean can we all admit the the Bills had many bad quarterbacks! Many. Here’s a better question…How many Bills bad quarterbacks would be on the list if they played for other teams. 😂 there’s so many.. Dufek, Totten, Ferragamo, and the others listed here. Totten was a strike player and he's in a different category than guys who played in real games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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