KingBoots8 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Al Holcomb to become Bills LB coach, Marcus West as D-Line coach: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-name-al-holcomb-as-linebackers-coach-marcus-west-as-defensive-line-coach Edited February 2 by KingBoots8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MiltonWaddams Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Will anybody be brought in as an external candidate?!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said: Will anybody be brought in as an external candidate?!! I do believe this is one of McDermott's faults... to an extent. It's great for continuity, etc .. I get that but there has to be new faces, new ideas, new concepts, new coaches that are going to challenge and move the needle for us. It's been said on here 10000x about the definition of insanity.... and this is proving to be true. Keeping all of the same people in the building and on staff is not a recipe to 'get over the hump" hell, I dont think our special teams coordinator lost his job and they were atrocious this year. 4 3 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Will anybody be brought in as an external candidate?!! Consensus in the building was NO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Dude Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I need to get my foot in the door at One Bills Drive. Before I know it I’ll be running the place. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 14 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I do believe this is one of McDermott's faults... to an extent. It's great for continuity, etc .. I get that but there has to be new faces, new ideas, new concepts, new coaches that are going to challenge and move the needle for us. It's been said on here 10000x about the definition of insanity.... and this is proving to be true. Keeping all of the same people in the building and on staff is not a recipe to 'get over the hump" hell, I dont think our special teams coordinator lost his job and they were atrocious this year. For better or worse this does give us a real look into the coaching staff (McDermott primarily) and organization's mindset. Inside the organization they clearly don't believe that they're losing due to coaching. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I think Marcus West was a real credible candidate for promotion. He has earned his chops over the last decade fighting his way up the ladder taking jobs at small time FBS schools before getting to the Bills in 2022. Classic example of a guy who doesn't have the contacts to get in on who he knows and has really had to prove himself. The people I have spoken to on him say he is a hell of a teacher. Hope he makes the step up seamlessly. Al Holcomb has obviously been a linebackers coach in the league before. 12 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Welcome to Buffalo. Where the best man for the job is always already here. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Marcus West joined in 2022, which is recent enough to give him leeway in my mind re: the DL’s lack of development given all the prime resources that’ve been devoted to it. I mean… we’ll see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 23 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I do believe this is one of McDermott's faults... to an extent. It's great for continuity, etc .. I get that but there has to be new faces, new ideas, new concepts, new coaches that are going to challenge and move the needle for us. It's been said on here 10000x about the definition of insanity.... and this is proving to be true. Keeping all of the same people in the building and on staff is not a recipe to 'get over the hump" hell, I dont think our special teams coordinator lost his job and they were atrocious this year. This part is maddening, the punter is worse, kicker was way worse, kick coverage was awful for a team that tries to force returns, and the punt coverage was very bad. The fake was poorly executed and he had to be involved in the too many men debacle. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 So who are the available defensive assistants that are so much better than who they hired? Who are the available co ordinators better than Babich and Brady? People wild. Give me young coordinators over old retreads. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 32 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Will anybody be brought in as an external candidate?!! Mafia stays within the family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 37 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Will anybody be brought in as an external candidate?!! Nope. they promote from within. 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Mafia stays within the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 41 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Will anybody be brought in as an external candidate?!! Yes, they will be the asst. LB coach and asst D line. This is how McDermott builds his pipeline and brings in new ideas. Giving young guys a shot to make it in the league. Maybe you uncover a gem of a coach. Read up on Mike McDaniels and his assent to HC 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 37 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Will anybody be brought in as an external candidate?!! Why does it matter? The idea is promote from with in at every business. Unless a department is failing than you may look for outside resources. Buffalo has had good offenses and good defenses. The front office is highly regarded. Why not hire individuals who are being looked at by your competitors? 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 39 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I do believe this is one of McDermott's faults... to an extent. It's great for continuity, etc .. I get that but there has to be new faces, new ideas, new concepts, new coaches that are going to challenge and move the needle for us. It's been said on here 10000x about the definition of insanity.... and this is proving to be true. Keeping all of the same people in the building and on staff is not a recipe to 'get over the hump" hell, I dont think our special teams coordinator lost his job and they were atrocious this year. What makes you think these guys won’t have some new concepts or ideas in their new roles? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 14 minutes ago, Trogdor said: This part is maddening, the punter is worse, kicker was way worse, kick coverage was awful for a team that tries to force returns, and the punt coverage was very bad. The fake was poorly executed and he had to be involved in the too many men debacle. and in 2022 they were a top 5 unit in a bunch of categories in special teams and top 10 in most of the others. I'm not happy with how they performed, but I think its worth seeing if he can turn it around 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, Trogdor said: This part is maddening, the punter is worse, kicker was way worse, kick coverage was awful for a team that tries to force returns, and the punt coverage was very bad. The fake was poorly executed and he had to be involved in the too many men debacle. Need a fall guy for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattlinBill Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: Why does it matter? The idea is promote from with in at every business. Unless a department is failing than you may look for outside resources. Buffalo has had good offenses and good defenses. The front office is highly regarded. Why not hire individuals who are being looked at by your competitors? This is it right here, the best businesses grow and development talent from within, probably why the Bill's have been one of the most successful teams the past five years. Just because there is one dominat team right now doesn't mean the rest are all failures. Very few teams in the NFL have been more successful recently...very few. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Apparently only in football is it considered a good thing to go outside of the company to fill a position rather than promoting a hard worker from within. I’m not sure what the success rates are when comparing the two options but it would be interesting to see the data. I worked for a train manufacturer in the 90s and a supervisor role opened up and instead of promoting someone from the floor they opted to bring in a ex firefighter to fill the position, within 2 weeks while on the floor he was trying to get to know what the actual work was like and someone had to show him how to light an acetylene torch. I understand not knowing how to light a torch means very little for his ability to supervise in the big picture and yes I know it has zero relatability to the NFL, but it didn’t go over well with plenty of employees who believed if they worked hard and did a good job they’d get their opportunity. I wonder if there’s that same sentiment among NFL coaches who are overlooked for outside candidates. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, BattlinBill said: This is it right here, the best businesses grow and development talent from within, probably why the Bill's have been one of the most successful teams the past five years. Just because there is one dominat team right now doesn't mean the rest are all failures. Very few teams in the NFL have been more successful recently...very few. I worked on the R&D side of DoD contracting and this wasn't the case. At a certain level it's almost always grabbing someone from the outside or poaching competitors in a way that your CEO will have time at all the major players. Innovation and improvement usually comes from fresh perspectives and not the same staff. The fear is complacency and unfortunately I think we are right there. You don't want to end up like NE who was just void of outside influence and crashed post Brady. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) DaQuan is happy Edited February 2 by Roundybout 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said: Will anybody be brought in as an external candidate?!! 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Welcome to Buffalo. Where the best man for the job is always already here. It's just recency bias. Go look at coaching hires from previous years and you'll see that they do often bring in external coaches. Fans are salty about nothing. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipnmi Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: DaQuan is happy This is good! Something tells me that DaQuan just may be in a much better spot to evalute this hire than ANY of the those that have posted. DaQuan doesn't say much, so I'll take him for his word in this case and hope that it helps bring him back next year. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bruffalo said: For better or worse this does give us a real look into the coaching staff (McDermott primarily) and organization's mindset. Inside the organization they clearly don't believe that they're losing due to coaching. I absolutely agree with you, unfortunately. 55 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: What makes you think these guys won’t have some new concepts or ideas in their new roles? Because they're guys from the system and have learned from the same guy for years and there has been no sign under McDermott that change is accepted. Edited February 2 by warrior9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 52 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: What makes you think these guys won’t have some new concepts or ideas in their new roles? Didn’t you know? McDermott has all new hires lobotomized so they never contradict him…, it’s part of the process…, 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Every time I poke my head into one of these threads I see the same thing…there are a heluva lot of vocal posters who don’t have an effing clue how to run a successful organization. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 26 minutes ago, MJS said: It's just recency bias. Go look at coaching hires from previous years and you'll see that they do often bring in external coaches. Fans are salty about nothing. I mean, I'm just making a joke because it is, in fact Groundhog Day. Yes, the Bills bring in people from outside. Often times into assistant roles (West and Holcomb are examples) and give them a year or two to acclimate to the "Buffalo Way". Fill the pipeline, promote from within. It's great for continuity as long as the process is worth continuing. The last 4 coordinator hires (Dorsey, Smiley, Brady and Babich) and well as many of the position coach hires, however have all been internal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 He was an external hire last year when we brought him on as an assistant, having previously been the Panthers DC. What does it matter a year later? Has anyone seen the candidates that are out there? Or lack there of? Raiders brought in Chip frickin Kelly to interview for OC this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 31 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I absolutely agree with you, unfortunately. Because they're guys from the system and have learned from the same guy for years and there has been no sign under McDermott that change is accepted. There was quite a bit of change from Fraizer to McDermott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Holcomb has coached at the Giants (SB winner), Cardinals, Browns, and Panthers all without McDermott. Outside of 5 years together in Carolina, Holcomb's 30 year coaching career has largely been without McDermott. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 12 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: There was quite a bit of change from Fraizer to McDermott Yeah, we had the #1 defense under Frazier and collapsed #4 defense under McDermott and collapsed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: Why does it matter? The idea is promote from with in at every business. Unless a department is failing than you may look for outside resources. Buffalo has had good offenses and good defenses. The front office is highly regarded. Why not hire individuals who are being looked at by your competitors? Good offenses and good defenses that haven't won anything. The team is strictly following a formula that hasn't worked. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said: Good offenses and good defenses that haven't won anything. The team is strictly following a formula that hasn't worked. Because it's that easy to win it all! Before the last Detroit game, people here have said: We can win it all if we have coach Campbell. It takes good coaching, good- great talent, peaking at the right time, less injuries, and a bunch of luck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Ah, those Carolina connections just keep paying off in Super Bowl wins.😆 Just kidding! congrats to those guys on their promotions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hopefully Oliver's improvement is due to West! The DL has disappeared in the playoffs under McClappy and Washington. An outside view would have been nice to rebuild the DL when they only have 4 under contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Flipnmi said: This is good! Something tells me that DaQuan just may be in a much better spot to evalute this hire than ANY of the those that have posted. DaQuan doesn't say much, so I'll take him for his word in this case and hope that it helps bring him back next year. isn't he a FA as well? bodes well that maybe he is back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Bringing in big names doesn’t always work out. Look no further than our rival Dolphins. They hired Fangio to get them over the hump and stop Josh Allen 0-2 vs the Bills Wildcard exit Need a new DC Everyone points to spags but you could just as easily get Fangio and have nothing to show for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Im for letting them coach for a full year with whatever talent we bring in, then form an opinion on them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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