Returntoglory Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I find it rather astounding that four of the most heartbreaking losses, probably the top four over the years for our Buffalo Bills, have centered around kickers and/or kickoffs. Superbowl XXV- Wide Right, Norwood Kick. Miracle City Miracle- Forward lateral on kickoff. 13 Seconds- Bad Kickoff resulting in tying FG taking game to OT with KC winning. Bass missed FG- Bass missed kick that would have put us into OT (most likely) against KC. Are we snakebitten when it comes to kickers? Do we minimize the value of a good kicker? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 All those things are forgettable, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: All those things are forgettable, Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 13 seconds could have been kicked better sure. But the butter soft defense - especially over the middle - is what cost us, not the kick. It’s the same reason few, if any, are blaming Bass for this latest loss. Pathetically, we all knew the defense stood zero point zero percent chance of stopping Mahomes from getting into FG range. Bass makes that kick and it just delays the inevitable. And that is embarrassing. We literally need to score with 00:00 on the clock to ensure a win against KC in the playoffs. That’s sad. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, stevestojan said: 13 seconds could have been kicked better sure. But the butter soft defense - especially over the middle - is what cost us, not the kick. It’s the same reason few, if any, are blaming Bass for this latest loss. Pathetically, we all knew the defense stood zero point zero percent chance of stopping Mahomes from getting into FG range. Bass makes that kick and it just delays the inevitable. And that is embarrassing. We literally need to score with 00:00 on the clock to ensure a win against KC in the playoffs. That’s sad. My point with 13 seconds is with the type of kick that was administered. All though no one has come out publicly in regards to the 13 seconds kick, the decision to kick the ball into the end zone with 13 seconds remaining rather than squib the ball was fatal. The kicker blew it and by all inside accounts, forgot that a squib was asked for. Had there been a squib, then more time would have been run off the clock. As far as the latest loss goes, I'm not blaming Bass for the loss, I am however holding him accountable for the missed field goal that prevented us from going into OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I'd say Special Teams generally - either our unforced errors or the opposing team doing something extraordinary or at least statistically unlikely (like Elliott hitting a 60 yarder in the rain to send the Eagles game to OT). Besides those playoff games, some others that come to mind are the MNF loss to Dallas in the mid-00s, OT losses to the Jets due to returns in 2001 and 2023, and the season opening loss to the Pats in '09 when McKelvin fumbled away the game late in the 4th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) One thing I noticed is that the final 2 teams in the AFC were likely the 2 best kickers in the conference. The Bills have a low end kicker on an otherwise top team. Instead of drafting guys in round 7 that won't make the team, how about we get a top kicker and punter? Unfortunately they are an essential part of the game for better or worse. I'd be ok with getting rid of kicking completely but that's just me. In the meantime, our special teams need to be addressed Edited January 31 by KDIGGZ 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Fool Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 30 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: Really? With enough liquor, ANYTHING can be forgotten. It may not be easy, but it may be the best option for such circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: My point with 13 seconds is with the type of kick that was administered. All though no one has come out publicly in regards to the 13 seconds kick, the decision to kick the ball into the end zone with 13 seconds remaining rather than squib the ball was fatal. The kicker blew it and by all inside accounts, forgot that a squib was asked for. Had there been a squib, then more time would have been run off the clock. As far as the latest loss goes, I'm not blaming Bass for the loss, I am however holding him accountable for the missed field goal that prevented us from going into OT. I'm never going to buy the excuse that Bass "forgot" what he was supposed to do. It was the absolute only task he needed to perform and his mind suddenly went blank. If he squibed the kick and they ran it back to the Bills 30 leaving 5 seconds on the clock we'd have been told he was supposed to kick it into the end zone. The defense blew it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: One thing I noticed is that all of the teams in the final 4 had very good kickers. The Bills have a low end kicker on an otherwise top team. Instead of drafting guys in round 7 that won't make the team, how about we get a top kicker and punter? Unfortunately they are an essential part of the game for better or worse. I'd be ok with getting rid of kicking completely but that's just me. In the meantime, our special teams need to be addressed How are you figuring Badgely and Moody are any better than Bass? Career FG suggests otherwise, although maybe you’re using a different metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 38 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: Really? Yup, no use lingering in the past, especially when it sucked, 😂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 This is interesting. Did you know every Sabres loss was caused by some goalie that missed a puck ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 45 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: I find it rather astounding that four of the most heartbreaking losses, probably the top four over the years for our Buffalo Bills, have centered around kickers and/or kickoffs. Superbowl XXV- Wide Right, Norwood Kick. Miracle City Miracle- Forward lateral on kickoff. 13 Seconds- Bad Kickoff resulting in tying FG taking game to OT with KC winning. Bass missed FG- Bass missed kick that would have put us into OT (most likely) against KC. Are we snakebitten when it comes to kickers? Do we minimize the value of a good kicker? The kickoff in 13 seconds was a contributor to that loss but not the proximate cause. That was the horrible defense and defensive calls after it. A Bass make there most certainly does not “likely” get us to overtime and I can’t even understand why you would suggest that, other than it fits your flimsy narrative. Mahomes had way more than enough time to drive right back down in FG range or score a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Only two of those were our Kicker the others you had find some way to connect it to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 27 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: My point with 13 seconds is with the type of kick that was administered. All though no one has come out publicly in regards to the 13 seconds kick, the decision to kick the ball into the end zone with 13 seconds remaining rather than squib the ball was fatal. The kicker blew it and by all inside accounts, forgot that a squib was asked for. Had there been a squib, then more time would have been run off the clock. As far as the latest loss goes, I'm not blaming Bass for the loss, I am however holding him accountable for the missed field goal that prevented us from going into OT. I don't hate the kickoff - but i do hate that we gave them a ton of space with timeouts. Don't rush the passer, hold the pass catchers. Don't tackle them but hold them out of their breaks. Mahomes will probably throw (and make that whiney mahomes face) and you give up 5 yards and like 5 seconds. Now there's 8 seconds. Now you can play 4 deep zones 5 underneath zones, rush 2. They're going to want to run 2 plays here so the linemen are really just there to spy and follow anyone out of the backfield. The longer he holds the ball the less likely they are to get 2 plays. You have 9 to cover 5, and if they don't get down you have numbers in a fumblerooski. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 The thing Polian did correctly,was replace a mentally devastated kicker immediately. Hopefully Beane and Co realize Bass, as great a kid as he is, may be shot. You cannot allow a kicker to compromise a good team’s accomplishments. It’s demoralizing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: The thing Polian did correctly,was replace a mentally devastated kicker immediately. Hopefully Beane and Co realize Bass, as great a kid as he is, may be shot. You cannot allow a kicker to compromise a good team’s accomplishments. It’s demoralizing. Actually, no Polian didn’t. Norwood returned and kicked another season for the Bills. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: I find it rather astounding that four of the most heartbreaking losses, probably the top four over the years for our Buffalo Bills, have centered around kickers and/or kickoffs. Superbowl XXV- Wide Right, Norwood Kick. Miracle City Miracle- Forward lateral on kickoff. 13 Seconds- Bad Kickoff resulting in tying FG taking game to OT with KC winning. Bass missed FG- Bass missed kick that would have put us into OT (most likely) against KC. Are we snakebitten when it comes to kickers? Do we minimize the value of a good kicker? Obviously not nearly as big as these, but the game Lindell missed on a wide right against Cleveland (I think it was probably 2008) was a pretty brutal way to lose that game as well. 17 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: The kickoff in 13 seconds was a contributor to that loss but not the proximate cause. That was the horrible defense and defensive calls after it. A Bass make there most certainly does not “likely” get us to overtime and I can’t even understand why you would suggest that, other than it fits your flimsy narrative. Mahomes had way more than enough time to drive right back down in FG range or score a TD. Agree. That was just plain stupidity from a strategy standpoint and players not thinking and acting on their own realizing the strategy is stupid. That loss is still so frustrating today. Unbillievable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: All those things are forgettable, not to me they arent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, Beast said: Actually, no Polian didn’t. Norwood returned and kicked another season for the Bills. Bill tried to replace Norwood by bringing in the Giants kicker Nittmo,but he lost the competition for the 1991 season.Then he replaced him with Christie for the 92 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: I find it rather astounding that four of the most heartbreaking losses, probably the top four over the years for our Buffalo Bills, have centered around kickers and/or kickoffs. Superbowl XXV- Wide Right, Norwood Kick. Miracle City Miracle- Forward lateral on kickoff. 13 Seconds- Bad Kickoff resulting in tying FG taking game to OT with KC winning. Bass missed FG- Bass missed kick that would have put us into OT (most likely) against KC. Are we snakebitten when it comes to kickers? Do we minimize the value of a good kicker? Norwood: it was always unlikely that he was going to make that kick on grass. The game was lost a hundred times before that kick. Music City: Squib kick was fine, it was a special teams/officiating debacle. 13 Seconds: Coaching Bass: needs to make that kick, but the blown opportunities beforehand are what matter more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said: Norwood: it was always unlikely that he was going to make that kick on grass. The game was lost a hundred times before that kick. Music City: Squib kick was fine, it was a special teams/officiating debacle. 13 Seconds: Coaching Bass: needs to make that kick, but the blown opportunities beforehand are what matter more. Very rational. I'd have to agree with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said: Norwood: it was always unlikely that he was going to make that kick on grass. The game was lost a hundred times before that kick. Music City: Squib kick was fine, it was a special teams/officiating debacle. 13 Seconds: Coaching Bass: needs to make that kick, but the blown opportunities beforehand are what matter more. Bass should have never kicked against KC. They should have gone into that situation with one objective. Win or lose the game on that drive by burning the clock and scoring TD. When you're on the toilet, you don't fart, you sh*t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 50 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: This is interesting. Did you know every Sabres loss was caused by some goalie that missed a puck ? Right. Anything to get your post count up, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: not to me they arent To each there own, it happened, I acknowledged it, I moved on, Ya can’t undo the past, so why carry that luggage around for ever? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Fool Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: This is interesting. Did you know every Sabres loss was caused by some goalie that missed a puck ? I can feel Hasek glaring at this post from Czechoslovaki. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 52 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: The thing Polian did correctly,was replace a mentally devastated kicker immediately. Hopefully Beane and Co realize Bass, as great a kid as he is, may be shot. You cannot allow a kicker to compromise a good team’s accomplishments. It’s demoralizing. Norwood kicked for the Bills the next year after the wide right miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Come on in the grand scheme of things is the kid REALLY THAT BAD? I mean it wouldn’t have even won us the game ? not like Harmon dropping a sure TD with time expiring I don’t even count bass miss as that bad? 29 minutes ago, realtruelove said: Bass should have never kicked against KC. They should have gone into that situation with one objective. Win or lose the game on that drive by burning the clock and scoring TD. When you're on the toilet, you don't fart, you sh*t. Best way to put it i pht it on coaching decision blunder again not bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 28 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: Right. Anything to get your post count up, eh? I feel so exposed now, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 There was also a oblong ball in every single loss in the history of the Bills, conincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Tom Dempsey choke job that should have ended the Miami streak a year earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: One thing I noticed is that the final 2 teams in the AFC were likely the 2 best kickers in the conference. The Bills have a low end kicker on an otherwise top team. Instead of drafting guys in round 7 that won't make the team, how about we get a top kicker and punter? Unfortunately they are an essential part of the game for better or worse. I'd be ok with getting rid of kicking completely but that's just me. In the meantime, our special teams need to be addressed Sam Martin was kicking just fine prior to pulling his hamstring chasing down the blocked FG against the Steelers. And we did recently draft a punter and a kicker... they drafted Bass in the 6th round in 2020, and he was fine until he went off the rails this season, and they drafted Araiza in the 6th round in 2022, which didn't turn out so well. 3 hours ago, Dancing Fool said: I can feel Hasek glaring at this post from Czechoslovaki. Soooo... he's glaring at it from sometime before December 31, 1992? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 hours ago, Returntoglory said: I find it rather astounding that four of the most heartbreaking losses, probably the top four over the years for our Buffalo Bills, have centered around kickers and/or kickoffs. 13 Seconds- Bad Kickoff resulting in tying FG taking game to OT with KC winning. The kicker should have been told to SQUIB KICK but he wasn't... not his fault!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Eh, the Giants got lucky that Norwood missed. 13 seconds was our year. Nice couple plays by KC and a clutch long FG to send it to OT. Chiefs got lucky and won the coin toss. KC lucky again that Bass missed, but like we’ve all said that game was far from over even if he tied it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 7 hours ago, stevestojan said: 13 seconds could have been kicked better sure. But the butter soft defense - especially over the middle - is what cost us, not the kick. It’s the same reason few, if any, are blaming Bass for this latest loss. Pathetically, we all knew the defense stood zero point zero percent chance of stopping Mahomes from getting into FG range. Bass makes that kick and it just delays the inevitable. And that is embarrassing. We literally need to score with 00:00 on the clock to ensure a win against KC in the playoffs. That’s sad. It's funny. So many wide right memes and jokes from colleagues. I'm just thinking, the kick didn't even matter. Literally a 0% chance the Chiefs don't get into FG range if he makes it. They were averaging almost 10 yards a play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I'm never going to buy the excuse that Bass "forgot" what he was supposed to do. It was the absolute only task he needed to perform and his mind suddenly went blank. If he squibed the kick and they ran it back to the Bills 30 leaving 5 seconds on the clock we'd have been told he was supposed to kick it into the end zone. The defense blew it. As horrible as those 2 defensive plays were, not squibbing around the 5 will forever be the masterclass mistake by McDermott. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wettlaufer Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 1/31/2024 at 4:15 PM, Eastport bills said: Bill tried to replace Norwood by bringing in the Giants kicker Nittmo,but he lost the competition for the 1991 season.Then he replaced him with Christie for the 92 season. Norwood was perfect in that season's playoffs and then was replaced by Steve Christie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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