Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I wonder if he’ll be the Harty replacement next year. Samuel is the type of WR you want running all those WR screens we’ve been calling. Doesn’t hurt that Samuel had over 1,000 total yards with Joe Brady and Beane helped draft him in Carolina. How would you feel about Samuel and a 1st round WR as the major WR additions? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSHO Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Decent idea. Can he run an entire route tree? Is he a WR, or is he a gadget type? Harty is signed thru next year, typically only room for 1 gadget player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GustheDog33 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 It will be hard to be less productive than Sherfield and Harty's combined stats of 26 catches for 236 and 2 Tds. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, ScotSHO said: Decent idea. Can he run an entire route tree? Is he a WR, or is he a gadget type? Harty is signed thru next year, typically only room for 1 gadget player. He’s like a Deebo Samuel lite. Can do some of the same things but never put it all together due to injuries. Explosive player that plays all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 No thanks. Always injured 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wonder if he’ll be the Harty replacement next year. Samuel is the type of WR you want running all those WR screens we’ve been calling. Doesn’t hurt that Samuel had over 1,000 total yards with Joe Brady and Beane helped draft him in Carolina. How would you feel about Samuel and a 1st round WR as the major WR additions? Good idea. I used to love him and would draft him often in fantasy. His injuries though would derail his seasons. But I see he had been relatively healthy now the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, NewEra said: No thanks. Always injured Unfortunately these are the types of FA’s we are going to need to swing on. high upside but some sort of question depressing their market. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Would love Samuel. But if he even sniffs his Spotrac projected market value of $11.5M/year, then I am not super hopeful. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: No thanks. Always injured We have plenty of those already on the roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I like Samuel, but I don't think he's a necessary sign. Shakir is comfortably slotted in as our #3, I think. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Unfortunately these are the types of FA’s we are going to need to swing on. high upside but some sort of question depressing their market. I doubt we swing on him. We already have shakir and Kincaid- we need an outside guy. Not another of the same who additionally can’t ever stay healthy. If we want to pay him 2-3M- maybe but I think it’ll just be a waste of 2-3M 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 ill take him, but there will prolly be a better wr target for the money given we have shakir. we need a guy to go deep and catch passes on the outside. he might cost too much, but i'd love to see a tee higgins or some such be added to diggs on the outside. with kinkaid, cook, and shakir doing what they can in the middle, imo a real guy on the outside puts us over the top. seeing 16 or 11 lined up outside one on one on 2nd and 3rd down its just a waste imo. 16 got smacked on the hands with two bombs and never came close to making a play. we can get better than that production out of shorter or any like 5th or 6th round rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, NewEra said: I doubt we swing on him. We already have shakir and Kincaid- we need an outside guy. Not another of the same who additionally can’t ever stay healthy. If we want to pay him 2-3M- maybe but I think it’ll just be a waste of 2-3M Yeah, maybe he doesn’t fit stylistically. But I think we are going to have to entice a guy with some question marks to come have a healthy season with Josh Allen on a one year prove it deal, then secure your bag elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: Yeah, maybe he doesn’t fit stylistically. But I think we are going to have to entice a guy with some question marks to come have a healthy season with Josh Allen on a one year prove it deal, then secure your bag elsewhere. Yeah I hear ya. I just don’t know if his skill set is something we need. I’m thinking open up the down field passing game- Samuel is just more short- rac plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Yeah I hear ya. I just don’t know if his skill set is something we need. Between Shakir and KJ Hamler, we're probably set in the slot. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 No. We can no longer try to fix our WR mess with cast off from other teams. We need to invest in the position. We need to use two of our top 3 picks on WRs and finally, for the first time in Beane’s tenure, have real depth and talent at the position that can be part of the solution long-term. Samuel is just another band-aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I’m really thinking that we are just going to draft a more complete wr in the first and double dip somewhere in the third or fourth round and call it a day. With Diggs likely back, we have some vet leadership for the young guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 6 minutes ago, Simon said: Between Shakir and KJ Hamler, we're probably set in the slot. Hamler has zero catches last year and only 12 the two previous. This is not some un-polished gem waiting to be discovered. If he makes this team, Beane has again failed to give Josh the weapons he needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Even first round pick WRs can take a season or 2 to develop. Look at Quentin Johnston on the Chargers, he was thrust into opportunity this year & still didn't do much. We'll draft one early, but also need to hedge that bet with a FA WR pickup. Samuel is a good player, but I don't think he fits our need as an outside WR. I fear he'd be like Crowder was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 24 minutes ago, GustheDog33 said: It will be hard to be less productive than Sherfield and Harty's combined stats of 26 catches for 236 and 2 Tds. Sheffield was a waste of $1.8M, more than Davis gets btw, and had the worst catch% of anyone on the team at 50.0%. He didn't qualify in the rankings for lack of catches, a self-made problem for him, but of the WRs that did qualify, only four we're worse. Three of them had crap QBs and the other was a rookie. We knew this upon signing him, he has a career 55.3% catch%, which is abysmal. Entirely unreliable as we saw in our last two playoff games. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 This organizations and fan base obsession with WR screens is annoying. no more passes at the LOS to WRs. WR's go down the field and catch the balls. they're used to create scheme exploitations, probe weaknesses in coverage, and create a vertical threat. TE's and RB's can be used for these screens - they're cheaper, dime-a-dozen, and much better suited to take this punishment. Spend the money for WR's on thoroughbreds who go downfield. Let Knox cross the middle or take an easy out pattern, let James Cook take the screens and get pummeled, find a true pass catching RB to run these wheel route screens. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 44 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Would love Samuel. But if he even sniffs his Spotrac projected market value of $11.5M/year, then I am not super hopeful. yeah, at that price I’d rather find some savings and get Pittman. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 This team needs a Tee Higgins or Mike Evans type big play vertical threat jump ball type receiver. Samuel is ok but not the kinda receiver they need to be honest if Kj Hamler is healthy he would actually be a decent replacement for Harty and Sherfield 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aross3415 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Isn’t Ridley going to be a free agent?? Would be interesting seeing Diggs/Ridley/Shakir.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wonder if he’ll be the Harty replacement next year. Samuel is the type of WR you want running all those WR screens we’ve been calling. Doesn’t hurt that Samuel had over 1,000 total yards with Joe Brady and Beane helped draft him in Carolina. How would you feel about Samuel and a 1st round WR as the major WR additions? Money is the biggest issue. He definitely could fill a need but imagine he looking for WR2 money. 4 minutes ago, Aross3415 said: Isn’t Ridley going to be a free agent?? Would be interesting seeing Diggs/Ridley/Shakir.. Ridley going to be way out of our price range unless we clear cap some other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Money is the biggest issue. He definitely could fill a need but imagine he looking for WR2 money. Ridley going to be way out of our price range unless we clear cap some other way. Money isn’t an issue for the Bills. They can definitely afford a WR2 in free agency. Even a WR1 if they make some simple moves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Are there any other WR2 or WR 1B type of players that bills can pursue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 So long as he is meant to supplement a WR draft I am fine with it. Harty was a massive disappointment and is a looming likely cap casualty. As a 5th-6th WR and ST player I am fine if the price is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Catches just under 70% of passes thrown his way, consistent production. Injury issues in 20 and 21 but has stayed decently healthy in 22 and 23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlax3 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Money isn’t an issue for the Bills. They can definitely afford a WR2 in free agency. Even a WR1 if they make some simple moves. Agree with this. They can and should sign a dependable WR in FA. This will be diggs last year. You can have the year 1 cap hit be extremely small and then have it increase next year once diggs is off the books. I want to use a day 1 or 2 pick on a wr as well but for everyone just saying double dip in the draft and be done that is crazy. There is a 50-50 shot the draft pick works out. If they struggle in year one your WR situation is worse than this year, a declining diggs, shakir (Davis gone) and 2 rookies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, billsherd said: Are there any other WR2 or WR 1B type of players that bills can pursue? Yes. Buuuut... WR 2 or 1B usually gets paid. Stupid money paid. Even John Brown in 2019 got $10 M his first year. I'll use that a Here is a partial list pending list of UFA's for 2024 from Spotrac and I will try to use their estimated per year average as a base. For reference, they are guessing that Gabe Davis is going to get ~$13.6 M (like I said, stupid money) as the absolute top end of what we could throw in 2024 Most likely out of our price range Mike Evans OBJ Tyler Boyd Tee Higgins Michael Pittman Jr. I put these out here not because I think they are fits, but because this is what the top end of the market will be getting. Give a call on Day 2 or 3 Curtis Samuel Nelson Aghalor Josh Reynolds Randall Cobb Calvin Ridley (Higher than Gabe, but I would take a flyer on spending a bit more if no one overpays) Darnell Mooney If you seem underwhelmed by those choices, that's where the market is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, SWATeam said: Yeah, maybe he doesn’t fit stylistically. But I think we are going to have to entice a guy with some question marks to come have a healthy season with Josh Allen on a one year prove it deal, then secure your bag elsewhere. I agree with this thought. One year, career rehabilitation contracts are in order on that side of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 28 minutes ago, billsherd said: Are there any other WR2 or WR 1B type of players that bills can pursue? I'd love to land Michael Pittman Jr but think he going to get franchised by the Colts or get big money elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I'd love to land Michael Pittman Jr but think he going to get franchised by the Colts or get big money elsewhere. yeah I did a list a little ways up. If any of the top guys isn't on a team Day 1 I should the Bill should take a sniff. But I doubt it. Pittman was on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 this would be a typical Beane move (Crowder, Brown 2.0, Beasley 2.0, Sanders, Andre Roberts, Duke Williams, Terelle Pryor, Deonte Thompson, Andre Holmes). If WRs are calling, keep him away from the phone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: yeah I did a list a little ways up. If any of the top guys isn't on a team Day 1 I should the Bill should take a sniff. But I doubt it. Pittman was on that list. Not a horrible list except for Cobb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: this would be a typical Beane move (Crowder, Brown 2.0, Beasley 2.0, Sanders, Andre Roberts, Duke Williams, Terelle Pryor, Deonte Thompson, Andre Holmes). If WRs are calling, keep him away from the phone... Those names are all over the place, not sure what you mean? Yes this would be similar to a Brown or Beasley signing. As he has production but not top level production. Are you saying Brown and Beasley were bad signings? Sanders was an aging vet signing. Samuel is 4.3 speed WR that can play everywhere on the field. He fits what Joe Brady does as an OC. Also it wouldn't prevent a 1st round rookie from getting on the field. Gives the Bills an explosive play maker. Edited January 24 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 6 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: Hamler has zero catches last year and only 12 the two previous. This is not some un-polished gem waiting to be discovered. If he makes this team, Beane has again failed to give Josh the weapons he needs. Agreed. If they are going to do something with Hamler I’d rather they took a chance on someone like UFA Darnell Mooney who is bigger and just as fast. He also already has a 1000 yard season with the Bears, unlike Hamler, and he gets separation. Only 26. Personally id like a vet to go with the rook they will draft. Unlike the other guys in FA he’d be very affordable I think given he still has something to prove after a down 2023. 2 hours ago, Aross3415 said: Isn’t Ridley going to be a free agent?? Would be interesting seeing Diggs/Ridley/Shakir.. I dont think he is a McD kind of guy. Plus he will be expensive given his proven ability when he feels like playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Those names are all over the place, not sure what you mean? Yes this would be similar to a Brown or Beasley signing. As he has production but not top level production. Are you saying Brown and Beasley were bad signings? Sanders was an aging vet signing. Samuel is 4.3 speed WR that can play everywhere on the field. He fits what Joe Brady does as an OC. Also it wouldn't prevent a 1st round rookie from getting on the field. Gives the Bills an explosive play maker. The WR free agent signings stunk. Beasley "2.0" and Brown "2.0" were bizarre and useless pickups, yes. 4.3 was a long time ago for Samuel. He's a bad team's WR2/3 kind of guy. Not very explosive--4 YAC, 9.9 YPR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Save the money on a veteran and draft the guy who will replace Diggs in a couple of years. There should be somebody at #28 that'll fill that slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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