Nostradumbass Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Sorry if this has been posted Had to listen the 2nd quarter on radio On the Bills first punt of the game Mayock clearly hints that he expects a fake from the Bills first question - wth would we tip off a media personality? second question - why would Mayock open his mouth, any Chiefs affiliate personal listening would have a chance to relay this info, no? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 You could see by the movement pre-snap that something was up. It looked like there was some confusion and you could sense it was coming. It surprised nobody. 5 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Even I suspected a fake punt, it's called hey they probably might want to go for it here at this point with how the game is playing out. Which makes relying on the element of surprise really dumb. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, sven233 said: You could see by the movement pre-snap that something was up. It looked like there was some confusion and you could sense it was coming. It surprised nobody. And that's why it was a bad call. Terrible execution. To me that's 100% coaching. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 The Bills are an unprepared and sloppy team. That was none more evident than on that play yesterday and it's been apparent throughout McDermott's tenure here. He's in over his bald head and if not for Allen, he'd be coaching DBs in Carolina right now. 4 2 1 1 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 It was the epitome of McD. Unprepared, poor design. 3 5 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, QB Bills said: The Bills are an unprepared and sloppy team. That was none more evident than on that play yesterday and it's been apparent throughout McDermott's tenure here. He's in over his bald head and if not for Allen, he'd be coaching DBs in Carolina right now. For a guy who prides himself on toughness and discipline, it sure doesn't translate into the team he coaches. Or maybe they're a bunch of dummies that can't grasp McD's 12th dimensional chess? I guess we'll never know! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 When I saw Hamlin switch sides of the formation, then switch back, I knew what was up. What I never could've imagined is that Hamlin himself would be running the ball. I can't fault McD for being aggressive when his Defense was getting gashed every drive, but what an utterly ridiculous way to do it. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 23 minutes ago, sven233 said: You could see by the movement pre-snap that something was up. It looked like there was some confusion and you could sense it was coming. It surprised nobody. Agreed, you could tell something was up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 18 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: And that's why it was a bad call. Terrible execution. To me that's 100% coaching. I generally support McD. But as soon as I saw the fake, even before Hamlin was tackled, I thought, "Oh, crap!" I didn't like the call and liked the execution even less. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I mean, it’s Mahomes and you have to score EVERY SINGLE DRIVE to expect to win. And our punter was injured. Sooooo yea I was expecting a fake punt and I’d have even dialed up a surprise onsides kick myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, peterpan said: I mean, it’s Mahomes and you have to score EVERY SINGLE DRIVE to expect to win. And our punter was injured. Sooooo yea I was expecting a fake punt and I’d have even dialed up a surprise onsides kick myself It's not that mode of thinking that was the problem. It was a very poorly designed play and the confusion and the way he was lined up was a dead giveaway. At that point a good HC would have audibled out of it or gone for it by giving the ball to Josh. But McD has no feel for the game whatsoever. It's a huge problem. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I re-watched it this morning and it couldn't have been more obvious it was a fake punt. Regardless of whether Mayock knew, every Chiefs players on the field knew, along with every fan in the stadium and every person watching. It was just so incredibly stupid and such an obvious choke moment from the HC. Another in a long line of instances where McD was just in over his head in a big situation. 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I would have rather lined Josh up and taken our best shot at the 4th That was absolutely pathetic. 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: I re-watched it this morning and it couldn't have been more obvious it was a fake punt. Regardless of whether Mayock knew, every Chiefs players on the field knew, along with every fan in the stadium and every person watching. It was just so incredibly stupid and such an obvious choke moment from the HC. Another in a long line of instances where McD was just in over his head in a big situation. Yup, he seizes up. I know that look. Get some counseling, man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, sven233 said: You could see by the movement pre-snap that something was up. It looked like there was some confusion and you could sense it was coming. It surprised nobody. It was disorganized and botched. It looked like the punt team wanted to yell out alert and punt it instead. Our ST's have been awful all year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 It’s just stupid thoigh you have Josh Allen LET HIM DO IT!!! 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Nostradumbass said: Sorry if this has been posted Had to listen the 2nd quarter on radio On the Bills first punt of the game Mayock clearly hints that he expects a fake from the Bills first question - wth would we tip off a media personality? second question - why would Mayock open his mouth, any Chiefs affiliate personal listening would have a chance to relay this info, no? because you were the only one listening to Mayock on the radio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) The decision to go for that play is on McDermott. But A LOT of critique here is on HOW the play was run. McDermott coaches the ST now? He sets up the formations and assignments in ST? Thats news to...well...literally everyone. Are we going to blame McD for Billy Buffalo not getting his suit drycleaned before the game now? Can we PLEASE keep the arrows aimed at McD to the ones he actually has responsibility for taking? Edited January 22 by RkFast 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 44 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: I re-watched it this morning and it couldn't have been more obvious it was a fake punt. Regardless of whether Mayock knew, every Chiefs players on the field knew, along with every fan in the stadium and every person watching. It was just so incredibly stupid and such an obvious choke moment from the HC. Another in a long line of instances where McD was just in over his head in a big situation. Only harm that was done as a result was KC took some time off the clock. We took the ball back on that drive anyway. This isn't why the game was lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 When your punter is clearly injured and your defense isn't even slowing down the opponent, everyone is expecting a fake. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Nuncha said: Only harm that was done as a result was KC took some time off the clock. We took the ball back on that drive anyway. This isn't why the game was lost. Agreed. It was a verrrry questionable call in that situation, and I'll echo others in saying it makes more sense to just leave the offense on the field if you're not gonna punt. That said...it ultimately didn't cost the Bills any points, and they got the ball back with the chance for a game-winning or game-tying drive. That call is not the reason the Bills lost the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 [Pre-snap motion] “They wouldn’t” [Snap to Hamlin] ”Oh no! No!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanfrom83 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, filthymcnasty08 said: I would have rather lined Josh up and taken our best shot at the 4th That was absolutely pathetic. Josh would've ran through a brick wall to get the first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Nostradumbass said: Sorry if this has been posted Had to listen the 2nd quarter on radio On the Bills first punt of the game Mayock clearly hints that he expects a fake from the Bills first question - wth would we tip off a media personality? second question - why would Mayock open his mouth, any Chiefs affiliate personal listening would have a chance to relay this info, no? If you understand what you’re looking at you can tell when something is different. Theres a decent amount of the Bills offensive plays that I can call out what’s gonna happen just by looking at the formation, how players line up and the motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 some surprise plays are needed...apparently so are acting lessons... over the decafes...fake punts, screen passes (other than Chan Gailey era) and draw plays have rarely been executed well in Bills history I give Daboll credit for running the most trick plays and tackle eligible passes in team history. Longest gain from scrimmage yesterday for Bills was 15 yards...chiefs has several - 8 I believe how about a bomb or two...not just a show-me-one.... with a max protect blocking scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 47 minutes ago, RkFast said: The decision to go for that play is on McDermott. But A LOT of critique here is on HOW the play was run. McDermott coaches the ST now? He sets up the formations and assignments in ST? Thats news to...well...literally everyone. Are we going to blame McD for Billy Buffalo not getting his suit drycleaned before the game now? Can we PLEASE keep the arrows aimed at McD to the ones he actually has responsibility for taking? He’s the head coach. The entire team is his responsibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tierlifer Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, QB Bills said: The Bills are an unprepared and sloppy team. That was none more evident than on that play yesterday and it's been apparent throughout McDermott's tenure here. He's in over his bald head and if not for Allen, he'd be coaching DBs in Carolina right now. Was hoping to get a notification on my phone that he decided to move to Syria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 It cannot be overstated what an inept decision that fake punt was. HORRIFIC judgment from McLoser. As has been said many times before, we not only have to beat the other team and the refs, we have to beat our own coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said: He’s the head coach. The entire team is his responsibility. Broadly. But not play by play formations like this. Thats the coordinator's job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 49 minutes ago, RkFast said: The decision to go for that play is on McDermott. But A LOT of critique here is on HOW the play was run. McDermott coaches the ST now? He sets up the formations and assignments in ST? Thats news to...well...literally everyone. Are we going to blame McD for Billy Buffalo not getting his suit drycleaned before the game now? Can we PLEASE keep the arrows aimed at McD to the ones he actually has responsibility for taking? So you think the Head Coach has no idea what the play design is on a fake punt, especially with that much on the line? He just told his ST coach - "Hey draw up a fake punt, I don't care what it looks like, but we're going to use it in a really critical spot in the game. Thanks." He's the HEAD coach. It's bad coaching whether he had no idea what the pay looked like or he did and still gave it the green light. And when there was confusion and Hamlin lined up directly behind the snapper and gave the whole thing away...yes, as a Head Coach, the guy with the power to call timeout...he should have. Also, if he gave that much unchecked power to a ST coach...what does that say when he's almost certainly about to fire that coach? He gave a coordinator who he knew was in over a head that much possible sway with the season on the line? How does any of this look good on McD? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 49 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: When your punter is clearly injured and your defense isn't even slowing down the opponent, everyone is expecting a fake. I really didn’t mind going for it in that spot. I definitely minded putting the punt team out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 There really is no need for an in depth analysis here....McD is deficient in his situational awareness. He is the proverbial deer in the headlights - it's that effing simple! Been saying it for ages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
298Woody Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 It was the play that ended the game. It was so pathetic and laughable and seemed desperate with 12 minutes left. A terrible idea that was a big momentum shift that we never recovered from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, starrymessenger said: And that's why it was a bad call. Terrible execution. To me that's 100% coaching. Terrible execution is 100% coaching? Execution is a player thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, 947 said: When I saw Hamlin switch sides of the formation, then switch back, I knew what was up. What I never could've imagined is that Hamlin himself would be running the ball. I can't fault McD for being aggressive when his Defense was getting gashed every drive, but what an utterly ridiculous way to do it. Same here never saw him do this before I guess nervous Nelly telegraphed the call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Nostradumbass said: Sorry if this has been posted Had to listen the 2nd quarter on radio On the Bills first punt of the game Mayock clearly hints that he expects a fake from the Bills first question - wth would we tip off a media personality? second question - why would Mayock open his mouth, any Chiefs affiliate personal listening would have a chance to relay this info, no? Where is the proof Mayock knew there was something coning? It may have just been a hunch by him. No one would have told him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, MJS said: Terrible execution is 100% coaching? Execution is a player thing. Coach has to know if his player can execute what he's being asked to do. Hamlin? Really? I'm not surprised at the result. He is also responsible for ensuring the players are disciplined enough to get the job done before he calls it. This was a completely undisciplined fiasco where the intention was telegraphed. Gee maybe they didn't practice it enuf. Oh and maybe the defensive set should inform as to the viability of the call. What was it eight or nine guys in the box? Of course the coach is not on the field but that doesn't take him off the hook. If it did they would all have championship rings because I'm pretty sure most NFL coaches know enuf to tell their players exactly what they need to do. So good execution is not just a player responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 hours ago, sven233 said: You could see by the movement pre-snap that something was up. It looked like there was some confusion and you could sense it was coming. It surprised nobody. This Damar was pacing around back there. It was so obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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