Taron status?

[Special K]

13 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Ralph is cheap? The Rooney Rule?

 

 

Comp picks for the Patriots??

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Bigvinny said:

You can only call up 2 players. with Gabe out you figure one of them is isabella. The other might have to be a punter. 

 

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think the team will need to use its 2 call-ups on AJ Klein and Haack.

 

I think they likely want a WR as well, so they may need to cut someone or IR someone from the 53 man roster.  I'm kind of wondering if Baylon Spector is a candidate for IR?

 

Does anyone know what the procedure is - if someone is cut from the roster, can another remaining team put in a waiver claim?  Can any of the 32  teams claim them?

 

 

That would make alot of sense as even if Benford or Dodson can't play this week, assuming they win likely by next week one of them would be back, so the need for Spector drops off a fair amount anyway.  Worse case, they probably could sign a FA if new injuries popped up this week.

 

Believe they can they still cut someone as late as Sunday morning and sign someone off PS?

[mjt328]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Would think it would need to be by later today as isn't 4:00 PM today the deadline for PS call ups?   The team may want to use a call up to replace him.

 

Not sure they have the flexibility to make any Practice Squad moves at CB either way.  Only two players can get called up in a single week.

 

With Gabe Davis already out and Stefon Diggs injured, they will almost certainly use one of those spots on a wide receiver.  Probably Andy Isabella.  Otherwise we go into the game pretty short-handed at WR.

 

The other call-up will either be a Linebacker (AJ Klein) or a punter (Matt Hauck).  If for some reason they don't call up Klein, that would be a huge indicator that Terrell Bernard plays.  If they need both spots, then don't be surprised if they put Sam Martin on IR.

 

Unfortunately, if Taron Johnson doesn't play...we are probably looking at them shuffling around the entire back-end.  Some combination of Cam Lewis, Siran Neal and Damar Hamlin rotating around the safety/slot CB roles.  And then Jordan Poyer moving up to coverage linebacker at times.

 

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

That would make alot of sense as even if Benford or Dodson can't play this week, assuming they win likely by next week one of them would be back, so the need for Spector drops off a fair amount anyway.  Worse case, they probably could sign a FA if new injuries popped up this week.

 

Believe they can they still cut someone as late as Sunday morning and sign someone off PS?

 

The way I see it, the Bills could cut other players (and have them clear onto the PS) before taking a chance with the LBs that leaves

Spector the opportunity to be available next week.  Guys like Morris, Jonathan and an OL guy can accomplish the same purpose.

These guys are not under rookie contracts.

 

I see the odds of a Spector cut almost at zero.  Signing an FA to replace Spector (if he is available next week) doesn't make sense to me.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Not sure they have the flexibility to make any Practice Squad moves at CB either way.  Only two players can get called up in a single week.

 

With Gabe Davis already out and Stefon Diggs injured, they will almost certainly use one of those spots on a wide receiver.  Probably Andy Isabella.  Otherwise we go into the game pretty short-handed at WR.

 

The other call-up will either be a Linebacker (AJ Klein) or a punter (Matt Hauck).  If for some reason they don't call up Klein, that would be a huge indicator that Terrell Bernard plays.  If they need both spots, then don't be surprised if they put Sam Martin on IR.

 

Unfortunately, if Taron Johnson doesn't play...we are probably looking at them shuffling around the entire back-end.  Some combination of Cam Lewis, Siran Neal and Damar Hamlin rotating around the safety/slot CB roles.  And then Jordan Poyer moving up to coverage linebacker at times.

 

 

I'm not saying call up, I'm saying cut or place someone on IR from the active 53, then sign someone from PS to an actual contract.

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The way I see it, the Bills could cut other players (and have them clear onto the PS) before taking a chance with the LBs that leaves

Spector the opportunity to be available next week.  Guys like Morris, Jonathan and an OL guy can accomplish the same purpose.

These guys are not under rookie contracts.

 

I see the odds of a Spector cut almost at zero.  Signing an FA to replace Spector (if he is available next week) doesn't make sense to me.

 

Never said cut Spector, I said IR him.  If Dodson and/or Bernard are back for the AFC title game, would they even need Spector then?  I thought I recalled a few weeks back when none of the LB's were out besides Milano, was Spector even dressing on Sunday??

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Never said cut Spector, I said IR him.  If Dodson and/or Bernard are back for the AFC title game, would they even need Spector then?  I thought I recalled a few weeks back when none of the LB's were out besides Milano, was Spector even dressing on Sunday??

 

Sorry about that, others are talking about cutting him and that is just crazy.  As for his future potential need, those guys are banged up and

Spector may be needed.  What his worth was before the Milano injury is one thing.  He has dressed every game since and is getting a lot of

ST snaps too.

 

It's a tough decision.  We should find out in another hour or so.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, QB Bills said:

Kind of weird how little is being discussed about this injury as he might be the best player on the team not named Josh Allen. Him not playing could mean the difference between winning and losing this game.

Exactly. Keep it under wraps for as long as possible. Keep the Chiefs guessing. 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

That would make alot of sense as even if Benford or Dodson can't play this week, assuming they win likely by next week one of them would be back, so the need for Spector drops off a fair amount anyway.  Worse case, they probably could sign a FA if new injuries popped up this week.

 

Believe they can they still cut someone as late as Sunday morning and sign someone off PS?

Dodson will play

[KDIGGZ]

I've had multiple concussions and I'm fine. And I've had multiple concussions and I'm fine.

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, Bigvinny said:

You can only call up 2 players. with Gabe out you figure one of them is isabella. The other might have to be a punter. 

 

It would have to be A.J. Klein way before anyone else.

[Bigvinny]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It would have to be A.J. Klein way before anyone else.

I had them putting Spector on IR and signing Klein to the active roster. 

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

I've had multiple concussions and I'm fine. And I've had multiple concussions and I'm fine.

 

I really hate making light of concussions, but I must admit I really did LOL when I read this.

 

[clearwater cadet]

 

[Dillenger4]

And here we goooo. No Taron? No Rasul? No Bernard? No Benford? No Gabe? OH BOY.

[billsherd]

1 minute ago, Dillenger4 said:

And here we goooo. No Taron? No Rasul? No Bernard? No Benford? No Gabe? OH BOY.

No one will show up let just forfeit.

[Punch]

2 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

And here we goooo. No Taron? No Rasul? No Bernard? No Benford? No Gabe? OH BOY.

Huh? Rasul is a go, Taron probably is, too. Bernard is a definite maybe as of right now.

Edited January 21 by Punch

[Trev]

2 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

I really hate making light of concussions, but I must admit I really did LOL when I read this.

 

Concussions didn’t even exists in the 80s…

[Punch]

Just now, Trev said:

Concussions didn’t even exists in the 80s…

That's correct, back then players just got their bell rung.

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

And here we goooo. No Taron? No Rasul? No Bernard? No Benford? No Gabe? OH BOY.

OH BOY.. here we have 2 guys who are likely playing and 1 who is a game-time decision. 

[Malazan]

I just hope that his back is better before the game.

[Big Turk]

35 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

And here we goooo. No Taron? No Rasul? No Bernard? No Benford? No Gabe? OH BOY.

 

WTF are you talking about? Douglas was a full practice Friday and is playing. Bernard and Johnson are questionable. Johnson seems to think he should clear protocol and be good.

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

29 minutes ago, Trev said:

Concussions didn’t even exists in the 80s…

 

28 minutes ago, Punch said:

That's correct, back then players just got their bell rung.

 

Even the 90's!  I'm pretty certain at the end of the Giants Bills SB, Kelly got concussed.  It forced the Bills to take a TO, likely if that hadn't happened they would have had another TO left towards end, likely could have ran a couple more plays, maybe got another 1st down and got closer for the FG

[Billschinatown]

13 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

Even the 90's!  I'm pretty certain at the end of the Giants Bills SB, Kelly got concussed.  It forced the Bills to take a TO, likely if that hadn't happened they would have had another TO left towards end, likely could have ran a couple more plays, maybe got another 1st down and got closer for the FG

Thank god he can't remember that happening; otherwise it might still keep him up at night.

 

Edited January 21 by Billschinatown

[NewEra]

To those saying Taron is probably going to play, what makes you say that?  Because he’s optimistic or have we heard something more substantial?  
 

seems like a 50/50 to me.  Passing concussion protocol on a short week is a toss up 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

And here we goooo. No Taron? No Rasul? No Bernard? No Benford? No Gabe? OH BOY.

I’m trying very hard to think that you’re not a troll
 

It’s not going well

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

To those saying Taron is probably going to play, what makes you say that?  Because he’s optimistic or have we heard something more substantial?  
 

seems like a 50/50 to me.  Passing concussion protocol on a short week is a toss up 

 

Seems like it was questionable if he actually had one in the first place

[Ethan in Cleveland]

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

To those saying Taron is probably going to play, what makes you say that?  Because he’s optimistic or have we heard something more substantial?  
 

seems like a 50/50 to me.  Passing concussion protocol on a short week is a toss up 

Seems like this year it is more likely than not guys are coming back in one week not two. 

[HurlyBurly51]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

And here we goooo. No Taron? No Rasul? No Bernard? No Benford? No Gabe? OH BOY.

WTF?!  Someone deep inside feeding you this?

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Seems like it was questionable if he actually had one in the first place

🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

I think he’s had 5 recorded during his career.   
 

if he didn’t have one, wouldn’t he have cleared by now?

[Sierra Foothills]

4 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

WTF?!  Someone deep inside feeding you this?

 

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I think he’s had 5 recorded during his career.   
 

if he didn’t have one, wouldn’t he have cleared by now?

 

Once he is in the protocol you have to go thru each step which takes time

[Straight Hucklebuck]

23 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Seems like this year it is more likely than not guys are coming back in one week not two. 

Brock Purdy did it with one on Monday Night.

 

Trevor Lawrence did it. 
 

Ty Johnson did it last week.

 

The Bills played Monday Night and he was back on the practice field Wednesday afternoon.

 

And obviously severe symptoms didn’t come back Thursday or Friday. 
 

Also, the initial contact was not intense. Not that it has to be, but it didn’t look obvious. Biggest thing I wondered was why was he shaking his hand?

[BillsFanForever19]

54 minutes ago, NewEra said:

To those saying Taron is probably going to play, what makes you say that?  Because he’s optimistic or have we heard something more substantial?  
 

seems like a 50/50 to me.  Passing concussion protocol on a short week is a toss up 

 

Yeah, it seems a lot of people are bypassing optimism for blind optimism.

 

I really hope he plays. And considering he was on the field every day this week says to me he cleared a lot of the stages of protocol fairly early. So that's a good sign.

 

But the fact remains that 6 days in Concussion Protocol is an incredibly small window. There are examples of people doing it in a week. But less than a week? I don't know how anyone can be so sure that's definitely going to happen.

 

I'm extremely hopeful. But I won't be remotely surprised if the league doesn't clear him, regardless of what he's been saying.

[Buffalo ill]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

Even the 90's!  I'm pretty certain at the end of the Giants Bills SB, Kelly got concussed.  It forced the Bills to take a TO, likely if that hadn't happened they would have had another TO left towards end, likely could have ran a couple more plays, maybe got another 1st down and got closer for the FG

In the late 90s I managed to give myself  a concussion (and likely the other guy too) doing a John Lynch style helmet to helmet hit while blocking for a kickoff return.  I couldn't remember my phone number when the trainer asked me.  There was no treatment and I got to take the 10 hr bus ride home with the team. 

 

Yay for 90s high school football.

 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Yeah, it seems a lot of people are bypassing optimism for blind optimism.

 

I really hope he plays. And considering he was on the field every day this week says to me he cleared a lot of the stages of protocol fairly early. So that's a good sign.

 

But the fact remains that 6 days in Concussion Protocol is an incredibly small window. There are examples of people doing it in a week. But less than a week? I don't know how anyone can be so sure that's definitely going to happen.

 

I'm extremely hopeful. But I won't be remotely surprised if the league doesn't clear him, regardless of what he's been saying.

He’s flying around here:

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

He’s flying around here:

 

 

 

I've seen that. And I've seen the quotes from him.

 

But all it takes is one concussion specialist for the League to say "I'm sorry, but 6 days isn't enough time" and all of that doesn't matter.

 

Again, I'm very optimistic and i'm really, REALLY hopeful he gets cleared. But it's not a sure thing until it is and there's things at play that can supercede everything we've seen and heard.

Edited January 21 by BillsFanForever19

[Straight Hucklebuck]

20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I've seen that. And I've seen the quotes from him.

 

But all it takes is one concussion specialist for the League to say "I'm sorry, but 6 days isn't enough time" and all of that doesn't matter.

 

Again, I'm very optimistic and i'm really, REALLY hopeful he gets cleared. But it's not a sure thing until it is and there's things at play that can supercede everything we've seen and heard.

Yes but that stuff is collectively bargained.

 

Is the baseline test back to normal and  are there no symptoms?

 

I have no idea what constitutes the final test from the independent neurologist, but something like this has to be somewhat based on data correct? 

[Big Blitz]

He clearly hasn’t cleared yet.  
 

Tomorrow am is last chance.  

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yes but that stuff is collectively bargained.

 

Is the baseline test back to normal and  are there no symptoms?

 

I have no idea what constitutes the final test from the independent neurologist, but something like this has to be somewhat based on data correct? 

 

Neither do I. But it would be unwise to think that it's impossible that league PR isn't also in play. Clearing a guy of a head injury in less than a week and then he takes another head injury that causes damage and they'd come under fire for clearing him so quickly.

 

Again, I'm all for optimism and I have my fingers crossed he's cleared. But it's coming down to a decision by a doctor within hours of kickoff - regarding clearing a guy of Concussion Protocol in less than a Week. 

 

So cautious optimism is as far as I'm willing to go. 

[Thrivefourfive]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Seems like it was questionable if he actually had one in the first place

If that’s the case they need to stop holding these guys out. We all know that doctors aren’t the same. Can’t give doctors the power to keep a guy off the field in a situation like this. 
 

What if KC has a doctor that doesn’t feel as strongly towards debatable concussions…??? 
 

(Can we offer him a contract..)