Mahomes crying

[muppy]

too funny

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

What is going on with the Chiefs IMO is frustration due to their belief they were the NE Patriots replacement in the AFC.

They believed (and others too) that they will continue to be the top team every season.  They are a good team and could even win more SBs,

but they are not the 2001-2019 NE Patriots.  Neither is any other team in the NFL.  Mahomes, Reed and the Chiefs are a good 

combination but no matter what anyone says, it's hard to keep winning in the NFL year after year.  Not just talent wise and physically,

but mentally too. 

 

The NE Patriots (with Brady) was an anomaly.  Parity is the norm in the NFL and that's why what happened this weekend happened.

I believe that there is a lot of disgruntled Buffalo Bills fans on this board who would look at their team a little differently if they

understood that. 

 

I truly believe the NE Patriots "Dynasty" hurt football for the average fan.  Forget it, it's over and let's get back to what football was before

that team from Boston existed.  Many teams each year will have a chance for the SB, but only 1 will get it.

[bigduke6]

im sure we've all experienced people in our lives that everything seems to go right for them at all times,  they seem great.  then something bad happens,  thats when you see the real person behind the curtain.   its about how you react to adversity,  not how you are when everything is working in your favor.   we're seeing the true Patty now.   not surprising tbh.

[145B4IDIE]

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

How was he crapping on his oline? Have you ever played football? Those conversations have multiple times a game. He bought them custom golf carts and tried motivating them to play better. I would love to be crapped on like that. 

He is. The fact he is making Sam Howell look like a passable nfl starter is proof enough. 

 

I am not a Mahomes hater and my boy played guard all thru school and college. 

 

I've been around the game enough to know that there is a game within the game especially in the trenches so I showed that clip to him at our holiday get together.

 

We catch some Bills games together, but he does not follow the sport that much after playing; His focus and muse is law and pursuing his government minion career in DC at the DOJ, but I asked if that was motivational to him and would he want to block for that guy?

 

He laughed and said he would rather block for Allen, after asking if that was really his voice?

 

So to me, or at least to a former OL player, that was just a QB venting frustration and whining. I stand by the fact that he owns some of the poor play yesterday and there was a better way to rally the big boys - gifts aside.

 

Mahomes has his share of highlight reel plays, and has sub-par receiving options this season. Hill and Kelce created a lot of space to operate and both have great hands and catch radius.

 

Hill is gone and Kelce is one weapon, but his penchant for holding the ball, running around in circles behind the LOS, and being creative off schedule is very hard for any O-Line player to block for and puts a lot of stress on those guys he is screaming at.

 

If you want to believe that was a motivational speech you are certainly welcome to it. 

 

I think I would prefer to bleed and block for Allen he could keep the custom carts.

 

 

 

 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Letting your emotional connection to something get in the way of your ability to understand reason and logic is a really bad way to go through life.

 

Yes, and I'm afraid you've done just that. Earlier in the thread when you said "Allen has a hall of fame talent in his offense," that is your emotional connection to the Bills getting in the way. That's you having watched Diggs play since 2020 and applying all of that pre-conceived experience to this year, when in fact this year he has not been close. Having opinions borne from being too close to your favorite team goes in both directions.

 

The reality is that Mahomes has the hardware so it isn't exactly difficult to make the case that he has been better than Allen. Personally I think they have alternated since Allen broke out. Mahomes was better in 2020 and 2022, Allen was better in 2021 and this year.

 

You still have not fully reckoned with the fact that Mahomes has had a massive advantage in the talent around him over the course of his career compared to Allen over the course of his. Don't just brush off that he had four years of:

 

1) The greatest pass catching TE of all time

2) The greatest speed WR of all time

3) The most experienced offensive play caller of all time.

 

Any one of those, especially the first two, gave him a huge statistical edge to start his career. Look at what Tua has done just since getting one of those advantages. Mahomes had all three.

 

Diggs has been a great player, but let's be realistic Allen has never had anything approaching the three major advantages that Mahomes had to start his career. We're talking literally three greatest of all time candidates. Turning that into 50 passing TDs and a Super Bowl is still a huge accomplishment. I am not trying to take away from the greatness of Mahomes. But please give some respect to that supporting cast and how it influenced some of the statistical edges he now has over Allen.

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by HappyDays

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes, and I'm afraid you've done just that. Earlier in the thread when you said "Allen has a hall of fame talent in his offense," that is your emotional connection to the Bills getting in the way. That's you having watched Diggs play since 2020 and applying all of that pre-conceived experience to this year, when in fact this year he has not been close. Having opinions borne from being too close to your favorite team goes in both directions.

 

The reality is that Mahomes has the hardware so it isn't exactly difficult to make the case that he has been better than Allen. Personally I think they have alternated since Allen broke out. Mahomes was better in 2020 and 2022, Allen was better in 2021 and this year.

 

You still have not fully reckoned with the fact that Mahomes has had a massive advantage in the talent around him over the course of his career compared to Allen over the course of his. Don't just brush off that he had four years of:

 

1) The greatest pass catching TE of all time

2) The greatest speed WR of all time

3) The most experienced offensive play caller of all time.

 

Any one of those, especially the first two, gave him a huge statistical edge to start his career. Look at what Tua has done just since getting one of those advantages. Mahomes had all three.

 

Diggs has been a great player, but let's be realistic Allen has never had anything approaching the three major advantages that Mahomes had to start his career. We're talking literally three greatest of all time candidates. Turning that into 50 passing TDs and a Super Bowl is still a huge accomplishment. I am not trying to take away from the greatness of Mahomes. But please give some respect to that supporting cast and how it influenced some of the statistical edges he now has over Allen.

 

if people haven't understood this by now they never will

[Uncle Monkeyhead]

[Utah John]

19 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Its just normal NFL nonsense.   He's been incredible through his first 7 years.   But rather than just say he's been incredible, people had to start putting him in the same conversation as Brady, which is both disrespectful to how truly great Brady was, and pretty much setting Mahomes up for a let down.  

 

Mahomes is likely going to end up having his worst full season in the NFL this year, but it still a very good season in comparison with his peers.    Just have to wade through the bs to get a sense of what really is going on.   For my money Mahomes is still the best QB in the league, but the Chiefs are dealing with the outcome of having to pay a QB huge money coupled with drafting late every year, and his weapons aging out of the league.  Kelce is on his last legs, Tyreek Hill's influence on the Chiefs was underestimated, and they've done a poor job of drafting.   Championship football takes a lot of things happening well all at the same time..    That said, I'd still take the two championships they have.

I agree with most of this, very much, but the Chiefs have actually drafted well for the most part.  CEH was a good fit for the Chiefs of three years ago but Pacheco is much better for the 2023 team.  The Chiefs O line was converted quickly from a disaster to a strength, and you can say the same about their defense.  What hasn't panned out is the WR positions, where it appears the Chiefs got complacent, didn't upgrade, and figured Mahomes and Kelce could keep on figuring it out. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

Taylor Swift is the new Yoko Ono.

 

Did ANYONE really think the fairy tale wouldn't end in disaster?

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes, and I'm afraid you've done just that. Earlier in the thread when you said "Allen has a hall of fame talent in his offense," that is your emotional connection to the Bills getting in the way. That's you having watched Diggs play since 2020 and applying all of that pre-conceived experience to this year, when in fact this year he has not been close. Having opinions borne from being too close to your favorite team goes in both directions.

 

The reality is that Mahomes has the hardware so it isn't exactly difficult to make the case that he has been better than Allen. Personally I think they have alternated since Allen broke out. Mahomes was better in 2020 and 2022, Allen was better in 2021 and this year.

 

You still have not fully reckoned with the fact that Mahomes has had a massive advantage in the talent around him over the course of his career compared to Allen over the course of his. Don't just brush off that he had four years of:

 

1) The greatest pass catching TE of all time

2) The greatest speed WR of all time

3) The most experienced offensive play caller of all time.

 

Any one of those, especially the first two, gave him a huge statistical edge to start his career. Look at what Tua has done just since getting one of those advantages. Mahomes had all three.

 

Diggs has been a great player, but let's be realistic Allen has never had anything approaching the three major advantages that Mahomes had to start his career. We're talking literally three greatest of all time candidates. Turning that into 50 passing TDs and a Super Bowl is still a huge accomplishment. I am not trying to take away from the greatness of Mahomes. But please give some respect to that supporting cast and how it influenced some of the statistical edges he now has over Allen.

 

 

Not to mention Spags as a DC who is pretty solid.

 

How can I forget the epic 13 second fail that prevented Allen from having a great chance of looking Mahomes in the eye and flashing his own hardware.

 

One team got it done and one did not.

 

 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If he thinks he sucks now, wait till Travis rides off in the sunset with Taylor.

After Travis rides off in the sunset…I am sure Taylor will be riding someone else.

[Don Otreply]

I hear the may fire Reid after the season…

 

 

 

 

😂😁🤣

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Taylor Swift is the new Yoko Ono.

 

Did ANYONE really think the fairy tale wouldn't end in disaster?

Awesome.  Most youngins’ probably don’t even know who Yoko is. 

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Taylor Swift is the new Yoko Ono.

 

Did ANYONE really think the fairy tale wouldn't end in disaster?

Unpopular opinion: Yoko Ono is one of the most interesting people of the 20th century. Have you ever read about her harrowing experiences near the end of WW II in Japan and in the years immediately thereafter? Or her outsized role in the mid-60s Fluxus art movement? If you went to UB like I did (for undergrad), you may have come across professors Paul Sharits (creator of the flicker film and a fluxus luminary) and Tony Conrad, who gave the Velvet Underground their name. Both were involved in that movement, which all preceded her meeting John Lennon. Anyway, go Yoko, who is 1,000 times more interesting than Taylor Swift.

Edited December 27, 2023 by dave mcbride

[ToGoGo]

Notice it’s always the downer fans that tend to run to support opposing team QBs? Why is that? Maybe that’s the conversation we should be having. 

[Southern_Bills]

On 12/25/2023 at 7:44 PM, BeastMaster said:

People seem to forget Mahomes before he got the super bowls and how much of a baby/drama queen he was.

 

This is always who he's been...it just hasn't showed because he's had the luxury of being the darling of the league and has constantly won.

 

 

I always say you are who you associate with, and we see what people who chooses to bring to the game, really just his wife and brother rub me the wrong way.

 

So i always figured deep down he was just like them.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Southern_Bills

[Rico]

23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Unpopular opinion: Yoko Ono is one of the most interesting people of the 20th century. Have you ever read about her harrowing experiences near the end of WW II in Japan and in the years immediately thereafter? Or her outsized role in the mid-60s Fluxus art movement? If you went to UB like I did (for undergrad), you may have come across professors Paul Sharits (creator of the flicker film and a fluxus luminary) and Tony Conrad, who gave the Velvet Underground their name. Both were involved in that movement, which all preceded her meeting John Lennon. Anyway, go Yoko, who is 1,000 times more interesting than Taylor Swift.

One thing’s for sure, Meathead Kelce is no John Lennon.

[CincyBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

Notice it’s always the downer fans that tend to run to support opposing team QBs? Why is that? Maybe that’s the conversation we should be having. 

Maybe they're not "fans" or maybe they're just overly invested in their negative takes on Allen from back in April 2018.

[90sBills]

10 hours ago, WideNine said:

I love the idea that he was crapping on his O-Line on national TV.

 

I can see the wheels turning now for some of those guys... "what free rusher?".

 

Adversity brings out the best and the worst in folks. Seeing it play out in KC this season and where is Mahomes ownership throwing that weak pick six with that defender watching his eyes all the way?

 

 

 

 

 

Bills fans were asking for Allen to be for vocal with his teammates when the team was struggling. But when another qb does it it’s a bad thing? Brady did all the time. It’s competitive passion. 

[MafiaMio]

21 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

there are more good quarterbacks now today compared to when Tom Brady was playing in the NFL 

Bro the AFC was top heavy in the 00s-10s. 3 actual HoF qbs were playing at the same time and one HoVG (Rivers). Right now only Mahomes is HoF. Everyone else is flash in the pan, until proven otherwise

[Buffalo Super Fan]

7 minutes ago, MafiaMio said:

Bro the AFC was top heavy in the 00s-10s. 3 actual HoF qbs were playing at the same time and one HoVG (Rivers). Right now only Mahomes is HoF. Everyone else is flash in the pan, until proven otherwise

 

The 1990’s the NFL quarterback’s are like now. 2000 through 2010 Phillip Rivers never won anything Tom Brady had to deal with Ben Roelisburger of the Pittsburgh Steelers and, and. Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Mark Sanchez and a washed up Brett Favre is some great quarterback’s for Tom Brady to go through in the AFC East then the AFC. Tom Brady was great but he ran away on purpose to the NFC for a easier lane to the playoffs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers when he saw the reality of Josh Allen and Tua in the AFC East. The reality is Tom Brady beat a lot of bum Quarterbacks in the AFC East with the Buffalo Bills, New York Jets and Miami Dolphins to pad the New England Patriots win totals for home field. Today Tom Brady would have more difficulty because the quarterback’s in this 2020’s NFL era is like the 1990’s NFL era for quarterback’s. So no I don’t think Patrick Mahomes will come close to matching Tom Brady number of Super Bowls wins. We can agree to disagree in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[MafiaMio]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

 

The 1990’s the NFL quarterback’s are like now. 2000 through 2010 Phillip Rivers never won anything Tom Brady had to deal with Ben Roelisburger of the Pittsburgh Steelers and, and. Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Mark Sanchez and a washed up Brett Favre is some great quarterback’s for Tom Brady to go through in the AFC East then the AFC. Tom Brady was great but he ran away on purpose to the NFC for a easier lane to the playoffs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers when he saw the reality of Josh Allen and Tua in the AFC East. The reality is Tom Brady beat a lot of bum Quarterbacks in the AFC East with the Buffalo Bills, New York Jets and Miami Dolphins to pad the New England Patriots win totals for home field. Today Tom Brady would have more difficulty because the quarterback’s in this 2020’s NFL era is like the 1990’s NFL era for quarterback’s. So no I don’t think Patrick Mahomes will come close to matching Tom Brady number of Super Bowls wins. We can agree to disagree in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Lol my favorite Bills Mafia delusion is Brady ran from the AFC because of Tua and Josh Allen. LMAO. This is the guy who is Peyton ***** Manning's rival and played at the same time as Rodgers, Brees and Favre. He beat Mahomes in the playoffs twice, as a geriatric 40 year old, he ain't afraid of no Tua or Josh Allen lol. Allen can't even get to a super bowl with his youth and with a stacked team. If Brady was at his prime when these qbs came out they'd all lose to Brady too. He was 40+ at the time they emerged so of course he'll slow down. Imagine thinking winning trophies in the NFL were ever east at any point in time.

 

while the 90s had good qbs none of them were at the same level as Brady and Manning who are literally 2/3 of the best qbs to ever play. You look down on Ben but he won ***** and had decent longevity. How many of the current qbs have won ***** and are not already breaking down not even 10 years into their tenure? You need to multiply the talent level of this current qbs by 5 to get to the level of qb play of the 00s-10s. They are all flash in the pans until proven otherwise. Only Mahomes has proven *****. Everyone else is probably going to have mid careers. Look at the mediocrity at the qb position this year as well as the fragility from injury. Not even close. 

Edited December 27, 2023 by MafiaMio

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I agree 100%. No one is who they are in front of the camera in the NFL. I would offer up that there are some guys that are closer to the role they show in interviews, however. Allen would be one that seems a bit more genuine. Dak Prescott is another. Of course, full transparency, I thought Watson was a class act at the start of his career as well, so to your point you never really know.  

 

Baker Mayfield seemed to have remade himself out of the Brown crap spotlight.  

[JGMcD2]

56 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Bills fans were asking for Allen to be for vocal with his teammates when the team was struggling. But when another qb does it it’s a bad thing? Brady did all the time. It’s competitive passion. 

Yeah, I don’t think there’s a right answer to this.

 

Some people love Brady’s style of leadership. There’s nothing wrong with it in my opinion, but it’s not my preferred style. I actually love the way Josh approaches things and would prefer to play for a guy like him. That’s just my preference.

 

At the end of the day it comes down to that individual and them being their authentic self. Josh being more vocal, from what I understand, would be uncharacteristic for him. Which in turn, would have the opposite impact on his teammates when it is time to rally them. He’s a little more silent, he plays harder to get guys to play hard for him. If he does speak up, he usually goes after the other team, not his own team. 
 

I don’t know enough about Mahomes, but what he’s doing now doesn’t seem to mesh with how he’s typically been/been perceived. I think that’s the issue. 

Edited December 27, 2023 by JGMcD2

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

Bills fans were asking for Allen to be for vocal with his teammates when the team was struggling. But when another qb does it it’s a bad thing? Brady did all the time. It’s competitive passion. 

 

It is a balance for any leader.

 

When our OL struggles you will not see Allen single out a player, he says things like the other team has some good players and they get paid too, and they gave us some issues. We will have to take a look at the film and learn from it.

 

I have seen Allen yell "Let's go", and pump up his teammates and lead by example. Mahomes has not had the same path of adversity that Allen had becoming an elite QB in this league.

 

It will be interesting how he responds if they miss the postseason. When all is said and done, it's a good year to retool WRs. The draft is deep at that position.

 

 

 

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Yeah, I don’t think there’s a right answer to this.

 

Some people love Brady’s style of leadership. There’s nothing wrong with it in my opinion, but it’s not my preferred style. I actually love the way Josh approaches things and would prefer to play for a guy like him. That’s just my preference.

 

At the end of the day it comes down to that individual and them being their authentic self. Josh being more vocal, from what I understand, would be uncharacteristic for him. Which in turn, would have the opposite impact on his teammates when it is time to rally them. He’s a little more silent, he plays harder to get guys to play hard for him. If he does speak up, he usually goes after the other team, not his own team. 
 

I don’t know enough about Mahomes, but what he’s doing now doesn’t seem to mesh with how he’s typically been/been perceived. I think that’s the issue. 

Most likely the culmination of a season’s worth of frustrations. The Chiefs have had more than their share of the pie in recent years. It’s about time they have a down season.

33 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

It is a balance for any leader.

 

When our OL struggles you will not see Allen single out a player, he says things like the other team has some good players and they get paid too, and they gave us some issues. We will have to take a look at the film and learn from it.

 

I have seen Allen yell "Let's go", and pump up his teammates and lead by example. Mahomes has not had the same path of adversity that Allen had becoming an elite QB in this league.

 

It will be interesting how he responds if they miss the postseason. When all is said and done, it's a good year to retool WRs. The draft is deep at that position.

 

 

 

They’re going to retool their whole receiving group for sure. It’s good not having to worry about KC, at least for 1 playoff season anyway. 

[eball]

19 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I think I said it in one of my posts, maybe not, but I'd love to see Josh be the greatest of all time when he is done.  I loathe the Chiefs, and would very much like to see them fall off the face of the NFL landscape.   

 

But, the question asked was why everyone thinks Mahomes is better than Allen, and I am not going to let my Fandom completely cloud my ability to have a real conversation.  And to this point in their careers Mahomes has been better in every category.  The conversation was never strictly about this year.   

 

Letting your emotional connection to something get in the way of your ability to understand reason and logic is a really bad way to go through life.   I've been a Bills fan for 35 years, have coached football for the last 10.  Never thought I'd have my allegiance and football knowledge ripped apart because I had the audacity to say a guy with multiple Super Bowl wins and MVPs is a little better than Josh. 

 

 If it makes you guys feel better I've bought spent hundreds of dollars on Josh Allen merchandise for my family and truly think Mahomes looks like Darlene from Roseanne.

 

Fair points, but you also know I didn’t “rip apart” your allegiance…I just made a comment about you defending Mahomes very aggressively in this thread.

 

As for the Allen vs. Mahomes question, I think it is very hard to compare their careers in a vacuum because they came into the league with incredibly disparate backgrounds and were placed into incredibly disparate situations.  I don’t think that is up for reasonable debate.

 

Both QBs, I think, have made the best of their situations thus far, but Mahomes has the hardware while Josh does not.  They are both on Hall of Fame trajectories and they have each done things to start their careers that no other QB in the history of the NFL has done.  I’m thrilled the Bills have Josh and I believe when all the dust settles on both of their careers it will be a far less “easy” question to answer as to who was the “better” QB.

 

Go Bills and Happy New Year!

 

[thenorthremembers]

32 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Fair points, but you also know I didn’t “rip apart” your allegiance…I just made a comment about you defending Mahomes very aggressively in this thread.

 

As for the Allen vs. Mahomes question, I think it is very hard to compare their careers in a vacuum because they came into the league with incredibly disparate backgrounds and were placed into incredibly disparate situations.  I don’t think that is up for reasonable debate.

 

Both QBs, I think, have made the best of their situations thus far, but Mahomes has the hardware while Josh does not.  They are both on Hall of Fame trajectories and they have each done things to start their careers that no other QB in the history of the NFL has done.  I’m thrilled the Bills have Josh and I believe when all the dust settles on both of their careers it will be a far less “easy” question to answer as to who was the “better” QB.

 

Go Bills and Happy New Year!

 

I think this is all very fair.   My main sticking points are the passing yards and touchdowns.   But to your point, there are extenuating circumstances.  

 

Outside of statistics, I prefer Josh's attitude.   It may not count for much but having to watch a player for 10-15 seasons, especially at the QB position, it does matter as a fan.

 

A very Happy New Year's, and a big time Go Bills!

Edited December 27, 2023 by thenorthremembers

[machine gun kelly]

On 12/25/2023 at 8:27 PM, Punch said:

You chose the wrong muppet.

 

This  is Mahomes.

 

 

[BRH]

8 hours ago, MafiaMio said:

Only Mahomes has proven *****. Everyone else is probably going to have mid careers. Look at the mediocrity at the qb position this year as well as the fragility from injury. Not even close. 

who the ***** is this guy

[Rico]

2 hours ago, BRH said:

who the ***** is this guy

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 hours ago, MafiaMio said:

Lol my favorite Bills Mafia delusion is Brady ran from the AFC because of Tua and Josh Allen. LMAO. This is the guy who is Peyton ***** Manning's rival and played at the same time as Rodgers, Brees and Favre. He beat Mahomes in the playoffs twice, as a geriatric 40 year old, he ain't afraid of no Tua or Josh Allen lol. Allen can't even get to a super bowl with his youth and with a stacked team. If Brady was at his prime when these qbs came out they'd all lose to Brady too. He was 40+ at the time they emerged so of course he'll slow down. Imagine thinking winning trophies in the NFL were ever east at any point in time.

 

while the 90s had good qbs none of them were at the same level as Brady and Manning who are literally 2/3 of the best qbs to ever play. You look down on Ben but he won ***** and had decent longevity. How many of the current qbs have won ***** and are not already breaking down not even 10 years into their tenure? You need to multiply the talent level of this current qbs by 5 to get to the level of qb play of the 00s-10s. They are all flash in the pans until proven otherwise. Only Mahomes has proven *****. Everyone else is probably going to have mid careers. Look at the mediocrity at the qb position this year as well as the fragility from injury. Not even close. 

It felt like he did run to the NFC but it had everything to do with what was going on with the pats and nothing to do with the other afc east teams.  The bucs had way more weapons than the pats did. 

The flash in the pan label I’ve gotta mildly disagree with if rivers has the HOVG designation though lol. I think there’s a handful of guys that are HOVG at minimum playing right now. 

[Malazan]

4 hours ago, BRH said:

who the ***** is this guy

 

Another example showing that the lack of adoption of my "You must have 1,000 posts before you are allowed to post" policy is a mistake.