BuffaloBillyG Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just now, BuffaloBillyG said: Absolutely brutal hit. Supposedly he's a repeat offender. Ineligible for any post season games as well. I'm sure there will be an appeal. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Troy Vincent approved this message. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just now, Freddie's Dead said: Troy Vincent approved this message. He would know a cheap and dirty shot when he sees one. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Wow, suspended the rest of the season? That seems pretty harsh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Troy Vincent, NFL Director of Player Safety is straight out of Kafka. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 He almost killed the man. That's incredibly reckless. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Was wondering why they never showed the reply during the game. Now I see why. hopefully Pittman recovers but the colts lose every game. OT- I forget which poster was telling me Gabe Davis was equal to Michael Pittman and would get paid as much as him, if not more, this offseason? 😂. Who is you?? Own it! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Very brutal. And not condoning the hit like that. What was his other option though? Slow down and then hit him? (NOT being sarcastic) 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Looks like Rapp out there. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Good. Its the only way to stop these hits. Guys need to be ejected and suspended. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Even the players on the Steelers were like holy crap and looked really concerned. Very fortunate that Pittman didn't end up paralyzed on that hit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) I thought he might have killed the Colts receiver with that hit...it was brutal...but it was equally brutal on Minshew for throwing that ball to that location. You gotta be better as a QB and know you can't make that throw leading your receiver into that type of situation. That's why Minshew is a backup. Dude is going to get his receivers killed eventually. Unacceptable throw by Minshew. Edited December 18, 2023 by Big Turk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Troy Vincent, NFL Director of Player Safety is straight out of Kafka. George Parros, former goon, is the head of player safety in the NHL. I think these pro leagues are messing with us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow, suspended the rest of the season? That seems pretty harsh. Not if the league is serious about player health, sends a message to everyone, and that is a good thing imo, 😁👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow, suspended the rest of the season? That seems pretty harsh. Only 3 games left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 The penalty seemed a little harsh ... until I looked at his history: https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/nfl-fines-pittsburgh-steelers-damontae-kazee-fifth-time#:~:text=Kazee was one of nine,of which have been %2411%2C806. Prior to this hit, he was fined 5 separate times for unnecessary roughness this season. There's a clear history and intent here. This last one could have paralyzed his opponent. The suspension was the correct move. 4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: Very brutal. And not condoning the hit like that. What was his other option though? Slow down and then hit him? (NOT being sarcastic) Yes pretty much. Or at least keep your head UP so he can see what he is hitting and how he is going into contact. Dropping your head and launching towards guys needs to be an automatic suspension, if not outright ban from the league. Enough is enough with this crap. It's just poor, lazy technique. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I thought he might have killed the Colts receiver with that hit...it was brutal...but it was equally brutal on Minshew for throwing that ball to that location. You gotta be better as a QB and know you can't make that throw leading your receiver into that type of situation. That's why Minshew is a backup. Dude is going to get his receivers killed eventually. Not if the defender just tackles him instead…, just sayin, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not if the defender just tackles him instead…, just sayin, No...because you assume when you are putting your WR in a defenseless position when 3 defenders are bearing down on him that the worst is going to happen. That's one of the first rules you learn as a QB, not to put your receivers in those positions. He will be getting an earful from his OC/QB coach today when they watch the film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not if the league is serious about player health, sends a message to everyone, and that is a good thing imo, 😁👍 Apparently, he has a history of that this season. So, I can get behind the suspension. If this was a first time thing, I think it would be far too severe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow, suspended the rest of the season? That seems pretty harsh. NOT for the League. They get got free labor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Jack Tatum would call that a routine hit. My have the rules changed. It was pretty reckless though. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: No...because you assume when you are putting your WR in a defenseless position when 3 defenders are bearing down on him that the worst is going to happen. That's one of the first rules you learn as a QB, not to put your receivers in those positions. He will be getting an earful from his OC/QB coach today when they watch the film. How about the rule that prohibits purposefully trying to injure an opponent…, is that one to be disregarded? Rename him Damontae Kamakaze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 minute ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: Jack Tatum would call that a routine hit. My have the rules changed. It was pretty reckless though. Yeah, those types of hits used to be celebrated. I think it's good that things have changed, but sometimes it feels like any hard hit is going to get a flag, even if technically within the rules, which sucks. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I thought he might have killed the Colts receiver with that hit...it was brutal...but it was equally brutal on Minshew for throwing that ball to that location. You gotta be better as a QB and know you can't make that throw leading your receiver into that type of situation. That's why Minshew is a backup. Dude is going to get his receivers killed eventually. Unacceptable throw by Minshew. So QBs who throw to open spaces in zones are making unacceptable throws? We see that multiple times a game by QBs good and bad every week. Granted, the throw lacked a finer touch but it was a good attempt nonetheless. The only unacceptable aspect of the play was Kazee’s criminal lack of self control. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: How about the rule that prohibits purposefully trying to injure an opponent…, is that one to be disregarded? The rules don't really try to govern intent. They try to govern the actual, physical actions of the players. Even a call like intentional grounding, with intent in the name, is not actually governing intent. They have physical rules around it (no receiver within X amount of yards, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: So QBs who throw to open spaces in zones are making unacceptable throws? We see that multiple times a game by QBs good and bad every week. Granted, the throw lacked a finer touch but it was a good attempt nonetheless. The only unacceptable aspect of the play was Kazee’s criminal lack of self control. Bad throw, bad ball position and leading his receiver into a defenseless position where he is likely to get murdered. It was a bad throw with inaccurate ball placement and serving his receiver up on a silver platter to get hit hard without the ability to protect himself. So yes, that's bad QB play and there won't be one actual QB that played in the NFL that says otherwise. Edited December 18, 2023 by Big Turk 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just now, MJS said: The rules don't really try to govern intent. They try to govern the actual, physical actions of the players. Even a call like intentional grounding, with intent in the name, is not actually governing intent. They have physical rules around it (no receiver within X amount of yards, etc.). Well maybe the rule should be refreshed to include intent with these sort of hits that are known to be injury causing, what ya think in this sort of case? 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Bad throw, bad ball position and leading his receiver into a defenseless position where he is likely to get murdered. It was a bad throw with inaccurate ball placement and serving his receiver up on a silver platter to get hit hard without the ability to protect himself. So yes, that's bad QB play and there won't be one actual QB that played in the NFL that says otherwise. So disregarding overt hits to cause harm is okay then…, it goes both ways, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, MJS said: Even a call like intentional grounding, with intent in the name, is not actually governing intent. They have physical rules around it (no receiver within X amount of yards, etc.). Explains the intentional grounding call when Allen had the horse collar non-call. Apparently the refs don't think Gabe Davis counts as a receiver anymore either. Edited December 18, 2023 by Brit 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Well maybe the rule should be refreshed to include intent with these sort of hits that are known to be injury causing, what ya think in this sort of case? So disregarding overt hits to cause harm is okay then…, it goes both ways, Not saying it at all...just saying the QB should know better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just saw the slow-mo replay, that could’ve been so much worse. Too bad “suspended for season” is just 4 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just another hit in virtually every other game prior to 1990s… I’m surprised someone wasn’t killed during all those vicious years of play. I think todays athletes are so much bigger and faster and maybe that’s why the smaller slower less athletic players of yesteryear were able to get away with it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, MJS said: I think it's good that things have changed, but sometimes it feels like any hard hit is going to get a flag, even if technically within the rules, which sucks. The ridiculous call on the tough hit Shakir took yesterday is a good example of that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 The NFL has gradually allowed more contact in the secondary to slow down offense's and keep games closer and outcomes less certain...........and one aspect of that is that they have backslid on the player safety with regard to hits in and from players in the secondary.......and now they gotta' correct it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<bills4life> Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 42 minutes ago, zow2 said: He almost killed the man. That's incredibly reckless. Then you definitely wouldn’t have like Ronnie Lott or Leonard smith back in the day. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Bad throw, bad ball position and leading his receiver into a defenseless position where he is likely to get murdered. It was a bad throw with inaccurate ball placement and serving his receiver up on a silver platter to get hit hard without the ability to protect himself. So yes, that's bad QB play and there won't be one actual QB that played in the NFL that says otherwise. Any QB worth his salt would say he needs to make a better throw in that situation. But QBs make those throws all the time. Minshew missed. Simple as that. It was a poor throw, not a poor decision because the receiver found the open area in the zone and that’s where the ball is supposed to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Absolutely brutal hit. Supposedly he's a repeat offender. Ineligible for any post season games as well. I'm sure there will be an appeal. Speaking of Leonard Smith in another thread. This used to be legal and encouraged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 36 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: Jack Tatum would call that a routine hit. My have the rules changed. It was pretty reckless though. Fred Williamson would agree with Jack Tatum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I actually thought the horse collar on Moss in that game was equally bad and should have led to an ejection. Defender was beat to the pylon and knew what he was doing when he horse collared moss. The penalty is nothing there because you are saving a TD. And it injured Moss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 People were rolling their eyes at me on Saturday when I said he should be ejected for that hit. If that was one of our players, people would be out of their minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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