TFBillsfan Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Went to bed after the Henry fumble with Miami already up 13. Woke up and saw MIA lost and thought they were fake posts. Stunned but now the Bills need to seize the opportunity and win out! Starts with beating Dallas! Circle the wagons BillsMafia! The stadium should be rocking Sunday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Cannot believe they won that game. Turned it off when they went up 14 with under 5 minutes… Good on Vrabel for the 2pt conversion attempt. Don’t know why or understand on that TD but great! It worked out as a loss for Miami 😂 1 minute ago, May Day 10 said: A surprising thing is how conventional the collapse/comeback was. It wasn't a bunch of mistakes and interceptions. It was Tennessee effortlessly driving down the field twice, and miami not moving the ball, with Tua always panicking and getting tackled on 3rd and 4th downs when his first read isn't wide open. Kinda how a lot of our losses have come about… fail to score on the final possessions we have and fail to hold strong on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 The Miami epic December collapse scenario is fully in play. Losing out or 1-3 very plausible. That line is woof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, BRH said: He might be a nice kid and all, but he really didn’t do a damn thing last night when it was all coming apart. Oh yeah, I have literally nothing against him as a person. He seems like a great dude. But he cannot do it when the chips are down and he has to lift up the team around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Great weekend. One thing from this game is that Hill should be MVP. Fins O is utterly average without him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 The Titans started to go Billsy but somehow righted the ship only for Miami to go full Billsy and choke the game away! Hilarious! The Dolphins are a fraud narrative should be the ongoing story! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Do we think Bud is still up there flipping Ralph off after that one??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 8 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: What a finish. Will ***** Levis The kid definitely got that dawg in him, as the youths say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 All you need to know about Miami. Stick a fork in their machine and Tua melts down. Case closed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: Went to bed after the Henry fumble with Miami already up 13. Same - I was like "No WAY Tenn is going to score 14...". Then I looked at TBD at like 6am and was pleasantly surprised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, zow2 said: I have to take some time today to go over to Miami's message board and read some of the comments. That will be entertaining. They have to be in meltdown mode. That's a brutal choke job to a rookie QB. https://finheaven.com/threads/phins-titans-post-game-rant.381503/ The post game thread is glorious. Fire everyone. Need a new QB. The collapse begins. Something for everyone. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 39 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: To think Daboll has 5 wins with him, Tyrod and Jones combining for only 12 TD passes and 2 more rushing. they are averaging 14 pts per game yet winning rightn ow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: https://finheaven.com/threads/phins-titans-post-game-rant.381503/ The post game thread is glorious. Fire everyone. Need a new QB. The collapse begins. Something for everyone. 5 minutes earlier, that Vic Fangio defense was Amazing and they were all high fiving in the booth lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, boyst said: they are averaging 14 pts per game yet winning rightn ow. Their defense is sneaky good. Thibs, Lawrence, and Banks are good young talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I remember a conversation I was having on here last week about the Miami offense bring pretty average without Hill. I meant a fully fit Hill, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDad51 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 8 hours ago, Billznut said: Another fun quote from finheaven… We had a 27-13 lead and gave it away! Stop rehearsing your TD celebration and focus on the game. What an embarrassment on primetime. Was hoping the Titans would do a mock celebration in end zone after the 4th down stop. Guess they had too much class for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 50 minutes ago, BBFL said: Good on Vrabel for the 2pt conversion attempt. Don’t know why or understand on that TD but great! It worked out as a loss for Miami 😂 Analytically it’s absolutely the right move and I’ve seen it done at least 3 times this week, including in the Army-Navy game. If you make it, you can tie with two FGs or win with a TD. If you miss it, you go for two and the tie on the second TD. Two-pointers convert at about 50% or better, so you should make at least one of two, and the potential rewards are better. Shocking that it took coaches this long to figure it out. And it worked to perfection this time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: I remember a conversation I was having on here last week about the Miami offense bring pretty average without Hill. I meant a fully fit Hill, of course! Yeah, they went full limbo when he went down. Thought they’d try and get the ball to Waddle a lot more, not saying he’s on Hill’s level but he’s talented. Without him, you’re absolutely right, average at best. Which makes sense because, whether you like or hate him, the guy has otherworldly speed and talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Just now, BRH said: Analytically it’s absolutely the right move and I’ve seen it done at least 3 times this week, including in the Army-Navy game. If you make it, you can tie with two FGs or win with a TD. If you miss it, you go for two and the tie on the second TD. Two-pointers convert at about 50% or better, so you should make at least one of two, and the potential rewards are better. Shocking that it took coaches this long to figure it out. And it worked to perfection this time. Yeah, I have seen this done a lot this season. The first time, I thought it was a bad decision and heard an analyst say its a 'no brainer'. Have seen it done a half dozen times since then. Wasnt surprised when Vrabel went for 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I’m going to call that the tuna melt game. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: https://finheaven.com/threads/phins-titans-post-game-rant.381503/ The post game thread is glorious. Fire everyone. Need a new QB. The collapse begins. Something for everyone. They’ve moved past anger and seem to be in the denial/bargaining stages this morning. Love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BRH said: Analytically it’s absolutely the right move and I’ve seen it done at least 3 times this week, including in the Army-Navy game. If you make it, you can tie with two FGs or win with a TD. If you miss it, you go for two and the tie on the second TD. Two-pointers convert at about 50% or better, so you should make at least one of two, and the potential rewards are better. Shocking that it took coaches this long to figure it out. And it worked to perfection this time. I guess my thinking about “why then” goes more to the time left on the clock. You’re forcing yourself into a hole if you miss it as you’re now down 8 and even then if you do succeed, going for 2 scores; FGs, is a lot for just over 2 minutes left in regulation. Great point though. Didn’t realize the analytics dictate then would be the time to go for it. Edited December 12, 2023 by BBFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDad51 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 6 hours ago, JohnNord said: TBH I thought Vrabel did a really good tonight. The Titans roster is mostly crappy and they found just about every way to blow it but when they showed him on the sidelines he was calm and calculated. Levis also turned it up at the end against Vic Fangio who was supposed to be this “god” of defense. This game felt a lot like a Bills collapse. Miami’s numbers on offense look decent but they only scored TD’s when they were given a ridiculously short field by defense/ST’s. The defense also scored a TD. So the defense was the reason Miami had a 2 TD. But in crunch time they absolutely wilted Three cheers for Meathead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BBFL said: I guess my thinking about “why then” goes more to the time left on the clock. You’re forcing yourself into a hole if you miss it as you’re now down 8 and even then if you do succeed, going for 2 scores; FGs, is a lot for just over 2 minutes left in regulation. Great point though. Didn’t realize the analytics dictate then would be the time to go for it. None of the positive outcomes are very likely, but if you kick the XP, you’re down to deciding whether to go for two at the end of the game, where the chances of a *****up are higher because the D is playing with more desperation and the refs are less likely to help you. And you HAVE to score a second TD, whereas if you make the early 2-pointer, you at least have a shot at two long FGs to save time. 8 minutes ago, DapperCam said: I’m going to call that the tuna melt game. Patty Melt and Tuna Melt on back to back nights. Edited December 12, 2023 by BRH 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Yeah, I have seen this done a lot this season. The first time, I thought it was a bad decision and heard an analyst say its a 'no brainer'. Have seen it done a half dozen times since then. Wasnt surprised when Vrabel went for 2. They had a discussion on ESPN this morning, on Get Up. All the guys at the table said Coach's should go for two 100% of the time in that situation. It should not even be a question. But let's face it, more often than not the opponent probably gets the ball back and runs out the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Oddly enough, I feel happier over this Dolphins loss than the Bills win!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, TAinLack. said: This has to be the longest post ever!!!! Why o why did you make me expand that quote?!?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Miami might not win another game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, nucci said: Surely you can't be serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Holy *****, I turned the game off and went to bed after the titans melt down only to wake up and find out some how the titans won....insane. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, zow2 said: They had a discussion on ESPN this morning, on Get Up. All the guys at the table said Coach's should go for two 100% of the time in that situation. It should not even be a question. But let's face it, more often than not the opponent probably gets the ball back and runs out the clock. It’s strictly math and probability. Kinda like the ‘let’s make a deal’ Monty Hall dilemma. You always switch from your first guess when they take one of the 3 doors away. It’s 50% probability after they take a door away vs 33% on your first guess even though it seems counter-intuitive. It’s 59% win rate going for 2 on the first attempt down 14 vs 41% kicking the extra point on first TD down 14. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, boyst said: not anymore. but he is definitely no Tony DeVito Combine their two QBs and you get Danny Devito 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, Doc said: Miami might not win another game. Tough defense against the Jets gonna beat them up. They need their center back this week as much as ever. Then the cowboys gonna make them run up and down the field. Then the ravens ain't no slouch. Then all guts against us. It ain't no easy row to hoe. This is a great test for them and a tough way into the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 minute ago, boyst said: Tough defense against the Jets gonna beat them up. They need their center back this week as much as ever. Then the cowboys gonna make them run up and down the field. Then the ravens ain't no slouch. Then all guts against us. It ain't no easy row to hoe. This is a great test for them and a tough way into the playoffs. Lots of Dolphins chatter on X that he's done for the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) I turned it back on with about 5 minutes left. It was GLORIOUS! Looks like McDaniel went to the McDermott School of Lead Preservation (aka Loser U) Glad McDermott took the Advanced Aggression class on Sunday. Edited December 12, 2023 by JÂy RÛßeÒ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 56 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: https://finheaven.com/threads/phins-titans-post-game-rant.381503/ The post game thread is glorious. Fire everyone. Need a new QB. The collapse begins. Something for everyone. They’re not wrong. That team is done. They will lose to the Jets on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Pick a thread at random. They're all gold. Connor Williams out for year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I was looking at their salary situation. Holy smokes, I thought the Bills had it bad. They have a ton of mushrooming salaries for 2024. Tyreek at $31 Million (12 now) Ramsey at $27 Million (3 now) Chubb at $26 Million (7.5 now) Howard at $25 Million (10 now) Tua at $23 Million (assuming no extension) (9.5 now) Armstead at $20 Million (9 now) Im sure some of this can be cleaned up with restructuring, but you have to expect Tua and his agent are going to pursue a larger guaranteed deal. In contrast, the Bills have at $20 mil + Allen at $47 million Diggs at $27.8 Million Con Miller at $23 Million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 40 minutes ago, BRH said: They’ve moved past anger and seem to be in the denial/bargaining stages this morning. Love it. I mean... go find some of the TBD threads after we lost to denver. This place was nuclear. I hope they were laughing at us just the same 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, mannc said: They’re not wrong. That team is done. They will lose to the Jets on Sunday. What will crack me up even more is if the Jets win this week after winning last week it pushes Rodgers into the "put up or shut up" category. He's said all along if they are still "in it" the Washington game was the target. Looks like he's close to having his bluff called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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