Toney saved us from another Billsy moment…

[Bill Grundy]

It's weird to give the team all sorts of ***** when this stuff goes against us, and then to give the team no credit when this stuff goes for us. 

 

If you are in the game, there's always going to be moments that swing it one way or the other. We're just unfortunate that more have gone against us than have gone for us. Sure, there's human agency in there. But it's the fabric of the game.  Teams are under lots of pressure and players are human. 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Bill Grundy

[H2o]

Top headline from ESPN this morning:

 

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Chiefs stymied by refs: Not what we want for NFL

 

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"I've played seven years [and] never had offensive offside called,'' Mahomes said. "That's elementary school [stuff] we're talking about. There was no warning throughout the entire game. Then you wait until there's a minute left in the game to make a call like that? It's tough. Lost for words. It's tough. Regardless if we win or lose, just the end of another game and we're talking about the refs. It's just not what we want for the NFL and for football.

I didn't see an outcry when we got COMPLETELY hosed by the refs against Philly. But now that their beloved Patrick has a legitimate penalty called that costs their team a TD? Oh, now there's outrage. 

[BuffaloTX]

9 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I would have liked our chances with Allen having the ball with 1:12 on the clock and all 3 TO's.  Allen has delivered over and over again in that situation and the D usually folded. Honestly I was HOPING that TD would stand.

 

IMO, Bills would have went down the field and scored a TD

I was thinkin the exact same at the time. 

[BillsPride12]

14 minutes ago, H2o said:

Top headline from ESPN this morning:

 

 

I didn't see an outcry when we got COMPLETELY hosed by the refs against Philly. But now that their beloved Patrick has a legitimate penalty called that costs their team a TD? Oh, now there's outrage. 

That's my problem with all of the Chiefs b****ing after that game.  Now they have created a false narrative that the National Media is going to run with that they were screwed out of winning that game.

[H2o]

6 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

That's my problem with all of the Chiefs b****ing after that game.  Now they have created a false narrative that the National Media is going to run with that they were screwed out of winning that game.

Oh it started the very second flag was thrown even though they showed Toney lined up across the LOS. Kermit blowing his top on the sidelines magnified it. 

[CNYfan]

7 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

What makes this whole thing so outrageous to me is that wasn’t a 4th down play or a last second play…mahomes was calm and collected and had plenty of chances to pick up a first down leading up to a fg or a td.  
 

he was only retroactively mad when he failed to do so.  The bills defense absolutely got a stop that they are getting apparently no credit for 

 

also the offense had plenty of time to march down for a game winning td so it was far from over either way 

My opinion

[Buffalo_Stampede]

You’re Billsy.

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, wppete said:

 

 

 

I actually think Von probably played his best game yesterday since returning. that isn't a high bar but there were a couple of flashes, which is a couple more than any other game. I think he is toast but I am going to try really hard for the next week to believe there might be some juice left for the run.... because with AJE down we need him. 

 

[Bill Grundy]

I thought Miller was offside on that play too. I was more than relieved to see he wasn't. Cos I was about to lash my laptop against the wall. 

[GunnerBill]

28 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

That's my problem with all of the Chiefs b****ing after that game.  Now they have created a false narrative that the National Media is going to run with that they were screwed out of winning that game.

 

How could they have been screwed it was very clearly a penalty. Andy saying it is embarrassing for the league.... I think it embarrassing for him and Brett Veach who persist with Toney because they gave up an asset for him when it is absolutely abundantly clear he is a knuckle head who costs them football games. He is a less likeable Isaiah McKenzie. 

 

It's on them for him still being out there. 

[filthymcnasty08]

Romo sure was ready to have a big party with that play as if he were calling the US Olympic Hockey victory vs. USSR.  Even after the penalty was known, he kept gushing. 

 

It felt all the way Billsy til then, and a depth of nausea that only Bills fans truly understand.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

I actually think Von probably played his best game yesterday since returning. that isn't a high bar but there were a couple of flashes, which is a couple more than any other game. I think he is toast but I am going to try really hard for the next week to believe there might be some juice left for the run.... because with AJE down we need him. 

 

He isn’t toast.  He just needs his bend back.  He doesn’t change levels yet because I think he is still feeling his knee out.  

[billsfan714]

I'm beginning to think these Air Raid Bills Guys are morons.

[ProcessTruster]

10 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

Von had a few effective rushes at the end. Bad game overall. 

Unfortunately, Von needed to play more snaps when Epenesa went down early.   

 

He won't be right until next year, although it looks like the gigantic brace has come off, which is probably big for him.

[Bob Jones]

10 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I would have liked our chances with Allen having the ball with 1:12 on the clock and all 3 TO's.  Allen has delivered over and over again in that situation and the D usually folded. Honestly I was HOPING that TD would stand.

 

IMO, Bills would have went down the field and scored a TD

Uh huh, right. They had put up only two FGs in the 2nd half. But you think all of a sudden they were going to march down the field for a TD. OK. LOL

[Bob Jones]

9 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Buffalo still would’ve had 1:20 and 3 Time outs to work with so it wasn’t a guaranteed loss, but it was stupid. Almost as stupid as having 13 men on the field during the game winning FG. 

Now it's 13 men?! Thought it was 12 men. 🤔

9 hours ago, colin said:

Wycheck died today, he was doing it to "honor" him by throwing it back against us.

 

That woulda been so billsy, eff him.  Hope he gets herpes from his GF 

Wycheck died on Saturday, NOT Sunday. 😉 Close, but no cigar.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

I actually think Von probably played his best game yesterday since returning. that isn't a high bar but there were a couple of flashes, which is a couple more than any other game. I think he is toast but I am going to try really hard for the next week to believe there might be some juice left for the run.... because with AJE down we need him. 

 

He forced two incompletions late with near sacks, one on a third down in the red zone, forcing a fg. The one on second down on the final possession would have been a sack vs a normal qb. Was he not wearing a brace yesterday? I couldn’t see one.

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

What a knucklehead.  He not only saved the Bills season and maybe McD’s job, but he also negated what may have been a Mt Rushmore Billsy moment. 

He saved McDermotts defense from another schematic failure for sure, Sean should be sending him a bonus check and a Christmas card every year, 😂, but a win is win, and it was all within the rules of the game, great win!
 

GO BILLS!!! 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He forced two incompletions late with near sacks, one on a third down in the red zone, forcing a fg. The one on second down on the final possession would have been a sack vs a normal qb. Was he not wearing a brace yesterday? I couldn’t see one.

 

Yep, he did. Good question on the brace. Didn't look that closely. 

[colin]

45 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Now it's 13 men?! Thought it was 12 men. 🤔

Wycheck died on Saturday, NOT Sunday. 😉 Close, but no cigar.

 

oh, fair enough, but he did stay dead sunday.

[Da webster guy]

12 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

What a knucklehead.  He not only saved the Bills season and maybe McD’s job, but he also negated what may have been a Mt Rushmore Billsy moment. 

 

Bills would have been down 4 with 1:12 and three timeouts.   That's enough to run an 8 play drive.  Not impossible for Josh at all.  

[C.Biscuit97]

Losing on the play on the day FW died would have been the most bills thing ever. 
 

Toney is an awful 1st round pick. Ne of the dumbest players in the league. Respectfully 

[Billsatlastin2018]

12 hours ago, wppete said:

 

Funny. I saw that in fast motion and thought immediately that someone jumped! Looked for the flag.

Von is a huuuuuuge $$$$$ black hole. Not a chance, he is ever coming back to form. I hope I'm dead wrong as Josh & he life the Lombardi in February, but I strongly doubt I will be.

[Billsatlastin2018]

12 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Nope. That frame is after the ball is snapped and the blue line is not official.

 

Excellent. Serious question here. I don’t know.
As opposed to Toney lined up physically with the toe offside, can a Defensive player’s hand be over the line in the air without touching an opponent and still be onside? 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

Uh huh, right. They had put up only two FGs in the 2nd half. But you think all of a sudden they were going to march down the field for a TD. OK. LOL

 

So what?  That is irrelevant.

 

Imagine being a clown that has a 1st ballot HOF QB on your team that has led countless drives to come back and take the lead under 2 minutes, including multiple times in Arrowhead over the last few years and being "afraid" he couldn't do it.  

 

Honestly, there are people here that make me want to put a bag over my head so I don't have to be associated with them.

 

No matter how much teams win in WNY, there are still fans that will always have a perpetual loser mentality.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Big Turk

[Bob Jones]

2 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Excellent. Serious question here. I don’t know.
As opposed to Toney lined up physically with the toe offside, can a Defensive player’s hand be over the line in the air without touching an opponent and still be onside? 

No. The neutral zone is off limits to any/all parts of a player's body. But in this case, as the guy on X so perfectly illustrated, VM was not in the neutral zone. And as he said, the blue line shown in the video is not even accurate, AND the camera angle is NOT straight down the line either.

[Billsatlastin2018]

11 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I nominate future Billsy moments to be called Tonies. 
 

We need to move on.

“we’re on to the Cowgirls”

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

“we’re on to the Cowgirls”

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Funny. I saw that in fast motion and thought immediately that someone jumped! Looked for the flag.

Von is a huuuuuuge $$$$$ black hole. Not a chance, he is ever coming back to form. I hope I'm dead wrong as Josh & he life the Lombardi in February, but I strongly doubt I will be.

 

He wasn't Offside.  The ball was a good 1/2 to 3/4 of a yard behind the blue line.  The blue line is where he could have snapped it from if he wanted to (line judge was straddling the blue line), but humphrey snapped from a decent amount behind the line and von timed it.  

[Big Turk]

29 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

 

Bills would have been down 4 with 1:12 and three timeouts.   That's enough to run an 8 play drive.  Not impossible for Josh at all.  

 

I was actually hoping for that...Allen is exceptional in those situations

[Billsatlastin2018]

2 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

Romo sure was ready to have a big party with that play as if he were calling the US Olympic Hockey victory vs. USSR.  Even after the penalty was known, he kept gushing. 

 

It felt all the way Billsy til then, and a depth of nausea that only Bills fans truly understand.

 

I believe BOTH Romo & Nance are quiet cheerleaders for the Bills. They say plenty of positive things during the games,even referring to the horrific change of fortune breaks- even penalties that change the outcome of games. 
 

But, if you aren’t jumping out of your chair on that called back TD play,you’re already dead! It was incredible. And if it counted, Romo would have come back cheerleading after the commercial break: “Now, let’s see how Josh answers that one. He’s got 1:11 todo it,”

[Big Turk]

27 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Funny. I saw that in fast motion and thought immediately that someone jumped! Looked for the flag.

Von is a huuuuuuge $$$$$ black hole. Not a chance, he is ever coming back to form. I hope I'm dead wrong as Josh & he life the Lombardi in February, but I strongly doubt I will be.

 

Von flashed a few times, at least 3 or 4, he is coming around.  Why people don't understand this is actually normal for players coming back off ACL tears I don't get. How many times do you have to see players needing a year and half a season to look anything like their former self at all?  I mean we just saw the same thing with Tre White last year and multiple other players but yet people still act like they are just going to be back to their normal self immediately? Why?

 

IMO, he is right around where he should be at this point in his recovery.  Fans having ridiculous expectations is not really his problem.  

Edited December 11, 2023 by Big Turk

[Bob Jones]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

So what?  That is irrelevant.

 

Imagine being a clown that has a 1st ballot HOF QB on your team that has led countless drives to come back and take the lead under 2 minutes, including multiple times in Arrowhead over the last few years and being "afraid" he couldn't do it.  

 

Honestly, there are people here that make me want to put a bag over my head so I don't have to be associated with them.

 

No matter how much teams win in WNY, there are still fans that will always have a perpetual loser mentality.

Anything is *possible*, for sure, but based on the way the offense was moving the ball in the 2nd half, it just wasn't likely. If it was as easy as you think, then surely the Bills would have punched it in for a TD on their last drive, to go ahead by 7.....but they didn’t/couldn’t.

 

No one is "afraid" to let JA try to get the TD, and no one said that, so I'm really perplexed as to why you put that word in quotation marks, but whatever...hope you have a good week, and Go Bills!

[Warriorspikes51]

The other thing: their RT ONCE AGAIN IS ALLOWED TO LINE UP ILLEGALLY ON ALMOST EVERY PLAY

It's been called a handful of times in various games against them, both most refs don't bother

[dickleyjones]

When that play happened i wasn't too worried as i saw the yellow right from the get go. Didn't see our guys jump so it must have been the Chiefs.

 

Quite possible some players thought the same in the moment and played differently thus allowing the TD. That happens pretty often. Not that it should...play to the whistle and all...but it happens.

[BuffaloRebound]

We won but if we lost, we’d all be going nuts at Benford, Rapp, and Cam Lewis.  They basically let Kelce get 10 yards open then let him run around for another 2-3 seconds.  Really tentative defense there.  

[muppy]

12 hours ago, Special K said:

I wonder if that was a set play, or an ad-lib from Kelce??

 

Thankfully it was called back.

That play was a dagger in my Bills heart until it wasn't.

 

HOLY COW

 

The bitterness and tears I'm reading from Reid and Mahomees are from their view a legitiment beef. But  by the light of day it reads like WHINING

 

Booooooo Freakin Hoooooooooooo~~~~~~~~~

[Starr Almighty]

12 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Nope. That frame is after the ball is snapped and the blue line is not official.

 

I mentioned this in another thread. Why is the KC line not on the line. Look at the guy opposite Von he's lined up 2 yards off the ball. The center is the only player on the line. This is a penalty and they do it every play.

[Mark80]

12 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

What a knucklehead.  He not only saved the Bills season and maybe McD’s job, but he also negated what may have been a Mt Rushmore Billsy moment. 

 

So 2 weeks ago we were going to score with 20 seconds left and 1 timeout.  Pretty much guaranteed the way people talk around here.  Now this week, Josh would have had 1:10 and 3 timeouts left, but Toney saved us?  Screw that.  Josh would have won it regardless.

[Airseven]

I’m not sure it would’ve been truly “billsy.” Bills predictably settled for the FG and Mahomes predictably threw the go-ahead TD. It played out the way everyone expected…minus the Bills actually getting the calls/breaks at the end. Aka they got beat by superior players making an incredible play. That isn’t “billsy.”

Now, Toney lining up off-sides to negate the TD was absolutely a “billsy” equivalent for the Chiefs.