Bills @ Chiefs Postgame Thread

[hectorkatz]

remember that the Chiefs spent the week watching film of the Eagles /Bills game in which the refs completely dominated the outcome by throwing 10 flags more on Buffalo in the first half alone.

 

and they are complaining about one play/flag? 

 

How much laughing at the Bills misfortune do you think there was in the film room this past week at Arrowhead?

[peterpan]

So was the lateral a designed part of the play or just off the cuff? 

[Comebackkid]

18 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

So true. 2:12 left in the game, first down deep in Chiefs territory, we have successfully run the ball all game, the Chiefs are down to 2 timeouts, and we throw three terrible passes.???????

i was pretty much stuck yelling wtf wft wtf wtf wtf wtf are we doing??    I thought Brady took a step back this game..   reverted back to a lot of things that

got Dorsey fired. 

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Lol Mahomes is facing the first string of adversity ever in his career, and is absolutely losing his mind over it.

Can you imagine if he'd been through some of the ringers Josh has - he'd be in a psychiatric ward by now lol

Edited December 11, 2023 by stevewin

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, peterpan said:

So was the lateral a designed part of the play or just off the cuff? 

 

Improvised. Kelce does it all the time.

[Punch]

Mahomes is getting ripped to shreds over his reaction, it's kind of amazing to see.

[Comebackkid]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Cook was the best player on the field in the first half…. Then, poof, gone

i think it was the same story with kinciad last week

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Actually that was like the Tyreek Hill fast score that gave Allen the ball back too fast in "the game".

Josh with the ball last instead of the Bills D wasn't a horrible option at that point.

Kelce's brilliant play was so smart it was almost stupid.

Please tell me that play was ad lib.  It couldn't have been scripted?

[Big Turk]

Von isn't back yet, but there were definite flashes at times from him...that almost fumble when he hit Mahomes while he was throwing, early in the game where he was being double teamed by the back and tackle and he forced Mahomes up in the pocket and I think he threw it away, and another play or two from him...

 

Likely the brace came off and we should start seeing steady improvement as the games go by now...

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Call me crazy, but Toney was offside. And anyway it wadn’t a normal play - it was coming off a catch in bounds and KC was hurrying. Refs can’t intercede there. He and Reid should be embarrassed for KC now losing two big games because players lined up offside at the crucial moment.

Yep - if it was us the narrative would be 'team is undisciplined and poorly coached', and 'refs don't decide games - be better and not let it come down to that play'

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Please tell me that play was ad lib.  It couldn't have been scripted?

 

No way it was designed like that.

I'm sure they have their receivers practice being available like that in late game situations, but that play tonight was just Kelce being an alien.

[Warcodered]

22 minutes ago, stuvian said:

We owe it to ourselves to enjoy this win. I felt that we did enough to deserve it even if some controversial calls went our way.

Abandoning the run game in the second half made no sense to me. It was our defense that got us this win. 

Beating the champs in their own building is no small thing. I will admit to experiencing some very Billsy deja vu when we kicked the FG leaving Mahomes almost two minutes on the clock. This time the nightmare happened to somebody else 

Absolutely we've had enough ***** luck this season to enjoy it when it actually bounces our way for once.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, bouds said:

2 targets for Gabe.

 

Was wide open on the wheel bubble go route thought, should have had a td. Not sure how Allen didn’t see him but threw to Kincaid. 

He threw to a sure handed receiver. Blame him?? 

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Von isn't back yet, but there were definite flashes at times from him...that almost fumble when he hit Mahomes while he was throwing, early in the game where he was being double teamed by the back and tackle and he forced Mahomes up in the pocket and I think he threw it away, and another play or two from him...

 

Likely the brace came off and we should start seeing steady improvement as the games go by now...

He should be back by the time he gets suspended.

 

11 minutes ago, Punch said:

Mahomes is getting ripped to shreds over his reaction, it's kind of amazing to see.

He absolutely deserves it for that childish reaction of his.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Warcodered

[Big Turk]

25 minutes ago, stuvian said:

We owe it to ourselves to enjoy this win. I felt that we did enough to deserve it even if some controversial calls went our way.

Abandoning the run game in the second half made no sense to me. It was our defense that got us this win. 

Beating the champs in their own building is no small thing. I will admit to experiencing some very Billsy deja vu when we kicked the FG leaving Mahomes almost two minutes on the clock. This time the nightmare happened to somebody else 

 

We have beaten the Chiefs in Arrowhead 3 straight games during the regular season and it would be 4 overall if not for the 13 second debacle. They were joking about calling it Burrowhead with the Bengals but we might be close to calling it Allenhead if they wouldn't have lost that 13 second game.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

12 minutes ago, peterpan said:

So was the lateral a designed part of the play or just off the cuff? 

Sounds like it’s just Travis kelces thing and they were probably all excited that he finally pulled it off after years of trying 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Lol Mahomes is facing the first string of adversity ever in his career, and is absolutely losing his mind over it.

Yeah Patrick. Maybe the refs should've overlooked the 12 men on the field by the Bills too. How about warned them prior to kick? 😎

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, Process said:

He was clearly Offside. Don't know why they are pissed at the refs. 

 

I do think they hosed big time on the Murray catch. To me it looked like it was incomplete without question, I was shocked. But we punted to it didn't end up mattering. 

The crazy thing on that series was after the amazing Murray catch was ruled complete to get the first down - the subsequent cluster resulted in us eventually punting from I think further back than if it was originally ruled not a catch and we punted then

Edited December 11, 2023 by stevewin

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He should be back by the time he gets suspended.

 

He absolutely deserves for that childish reaction of his.

Unlikely, DA's don't prosecute cases where they are going to be made to look like fools by the defense attorney.  

[0017]

That was a legit penalty! The holding on Dawkins a few plays earlier that killed a promising drive, was an absolutely terrible call and it definitely impacted the game, we might have been up 10 points. But Bills overcame the bad calls and won this game. So happy. 

[Motorin']

37 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

So true. 2:12 left in the game, first down deep in Chiefs territory, we have successfully run the ball all game, the Chiefs are down to 2 timeouts, and we throw three terrible passes.???????

 

Literally needed to get one first down, keep the clock moving. Could have forced them to use all their TO's and kicked the game winning FG with little to no time left. 

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Unlikely, DA's don't prosecute cases where they are going to be made to look like fools by the defense attorney.  

I was thinking more our luck, then how eh that whole situation might be in reality. But yeah with her recanting everything it might all kind of go away to a degree, even the evidence they have the bruises and if the recordings are just sound then it really all becomes based on what she tells them with that as corroboration of that, but not cooperating, there's always false reporting but I don't think they really want to do that in those cases. But I don't really know this stuff so I could just be completely ***** wrong.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Warcodered

[Wiz]

Ref to pool reporters:

 

“Ultimately, if they look for alignment advice, certainly we are going to give it to them," Cheffers continued. But ultimately they are responsible for wherever they line up. And certainly no warning is required, especially if they are lined up so far offside where they’re actually blocking our view of the ball.

"So we would give them some sort of warning if it was anywhere close, but this particular one is beyond a warning.”

 

 

[Success]

I hope they fine Mahomes one of his Lombardis.

 

[Just in Atlanta]

Enjoy the win.

 

what a game

[Dukestreetking]

2 hours ago, appoo said:

Something very wrong with Diggs. His route tree is extremely limited and he’s not as quick as he was

 

I blame Maddy Glab.

[KingBoots8]

When the Chiefs think they’re about to pull off another upset against the Bills:

 

 

 

Guess Again.

[Zerovoltz]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

KC fans about ready for the Chiefs to cut Hilarius Toney yet or is that on the refs too?    No excuse ever to line up that close to the ball there.    

Most were ready to cut him a long time ago.  Hopefully you guys saw my post predicting we’d lose because the WRs make too many mistakes and I thought it would keep happening….and it did.  Rice fumble, To ey offside.  Same thing all year.  Too many mistakes to overcome.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, bouds said:

2 targets for Gabe.

 

Was wide open on the wheel bubble go route thought, should have had a td. Not sure how Allen didn’t see him but threw to Kincaid. 

 

He was under pressure again and didn't have time to get to Gabe

[WMDman]

I believe Mahomes used the "hes barley offside" excuse

 

If i was a pass rusher and got flagged for roughing against Kermit id tell him straight to his face "I barley hit you"

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

Most were ready to cut him a long time ago.  Hopefully you guys saw my post predicting we’d lose because the WRs make too many mistakes and I thought it would keep happening….and it did.  Rice fumble, To ey offside.  Same thing all year.  Too many mistakes to overcome.

 

Is it just me or are you guys seeing some signs of Mahomes' body starting to give him some trouble as he approaches 30?

[Ralonzo]

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

KC fans about ready for the Chiefs to cut Hilarius Toney yet or is that on the refs too?    No excuse ever to line up that close to the ball there.    

 

Watching it again, he might actually be PAST the entire ball and is in front of the center...like how is that possible for a professional WR who has played in probably hundreds of games between pee-wee, high school, college and the NFL and that is NEVER OK to line up where he lined up in any league...that would have gotten a flag 100/100 times because it is almost laughably egregious...might as well just line up next to Von Miller it was that bad.

[BRH]

Timmuh still grinding that axe, I see… here’s his contribution to the Athletic article on the game. 
 

Quote

 

The Bills survived a turbulent week and a mind-blowing trick touchdown that was wiped out by a penalty with 1:12 to play. The victory was crucial to keep Buffalo’s playoff hopes legitimate. Bills coach Sean McDermott was skewered in a controversial article in which unnamed sources called his coaching abilities into question. Even his most ardent supporters couldn’t deny his shortcomings this season, especially while going 0-3 when taking a lead inside the final two minutes of a game. Buffalo took another such lead when Tyler Bass kicked a 39-yard field goal with 1:54 left.

Kansas City thought it scored a miracle, 49-yard touchdown on a long completion to Kelce, who lateraled a long distance to Toney for the final 25 yards. But Toney was flagged for being offside, nullifying the play. Von Miller, arrested last week for third-degree felony assault of his pregnant girlfriend yet still permitted to play, helped generate heavy pressure against Mahomes on the final possession. — Tim Graham, senior Buffalo sports writer

 

 

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

i think it was the same story with kinciad last week

Frustrating to say the least

[bouds]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He was under pressure again and didn't have time to get to Gabe

Well its just that the routes were all on the same side of the field so if he's looking at Kincaid he had some eyes on Gabe, but I understand the general point.

 

Football's hard.

[Process]

Any updates from coach post game on Hyde and AJ?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Is it just me or are you guys seeing some signs of Mahomes' body starting to give him some trouble as he approaches 30?

It’s so hard to tell with him because he walks around like he sh*t his pants.  

[BillsFan130]

Seemed like the bills went back to a lot of 12 with Knox back in the lineup.

 

I hope they go back to 11 with more Shakir.

 

Josh is straight up a better QB with spread 11, vs 12 personnel condensed 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

I saw KC:

1. LT false start at least 1-2x

2. Kelce: illegal motion (diagnol upfield) on 1-2x plays and 1 uncalled OPI

3. OL holding: 2-3x uncalled, but this happens against everyone and most inconsistently called (other than DPI)

 

Not saying we played a perfectly clean game.  But complaining about a call that is "unbiased", Offside/false start/illegal formation, is just being juvenile and comes across as entitled.

 

This wasn't a questionable holding/OPI penalty.  Offside was clear, you don't get a warning for committing a penalty.  You get a warning when you're close to lining up offside/illegally. 

 

Mahomes might wanna reconsider his reaction.  Plenty of calls went their way earlier in the game.

 

 

It was also delicious to see Kelce become unhinged at the beginning of the game when they had the audacity to actually call him for PI - how can this be happenning this is not allowed do you know who I am!  lol