Has Shakir overtaken Davis

[philholbroo]

Seems so, but expect a big game in 3 weeks out of Davis at Arrowhead.

[Coffeesforclosers]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

I just can't compare the two. Apples and oranges. 

 

Yeah.  It's like comparing a receiver who catches the ball to a receiver that doesn't.

[jlgarsh]

I'm just glad Brady knows how to get RBs open for screen passes. We haven't seen that in YEARS. Plus committing to the run and short passes gave them the opportunity to hit Shakir for the bomb.

 

Glad to see Brady not playing 4th dimensional chess or galaxy braining it on offense too. Stick with what works and use tempo effectively. Try a few plays that have been missing for ages to keep the D guessing. Even a few Josh designed runs were mixed in. They just need the threat of him taking off and it opens it up for the offense.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

I think I saw Davis throw a good block on a running play once … so he’s got that going for him 😂

[jlgarsh]

P.s. I don't want to see anyone complain that Josh had an INT on a Hail Mary. The false start didn't help by pushing them back another 5 yards.

[TheFunPolice]

32 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Shakir should have been utilized more dating back to last year.  He's speed and agility makes him very dangerous. 

 

Glad to see Brady using Cook, Shakir, Morris, and many others.  Mismatches are what keep defenses off balance.  Different players, packages, etc.  No where to key in on. 

 

It was noticeable that more guys were getting involved which is great news! 

[LeGOATski]

I hope so. He's always had so much potential. Just a natural football player. So smooth out there. Feed Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir, Cook. It's that simple.

[Punching Bag]

38 minutes ago, Whkfc said:

Another strong game for Shakir and another no-show game from Gabe Davis. Have we seen a change at the #2 receiver for the Bills?

 

34 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He should.  Davis was MIA all night

 

It depends on the defense used - if they used a 2 high cap he is less useful.

[RunTheBall]

Gabe does so much you guys can’t appreciate. He’s the Tremaine Edmunds of the offense and you just don’t know how to break down game film like Cover 1 or Shill Capaccio to notice. He draws coverage away from other players, well, at least 1 guy. He takes 6 seconds to get up to full speed which really throws off the defensive timing. He blocks well and is an expert at setting us up for going for it on 4th down when he drops 3rd down passes in his hands. You just don’t appreciate our captain.

 

Edit: Oh sorry, here’s the /s for 1/4 of this board

Edited November 20, 2023 by RunTheBall

[PepeSilvia]

40 minutes ago, Whkfc said:

Another strong game for Shakir and another no-show game from Gabe Davis. Have we seen a change at the #2 receiver for the Bills?

Yes.

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Gabe should be WR54 

Super. Had nothing to do with the conversation. Do try and keep up, or let the adults chat. 

[dave mcbride]

35 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Production wise, absolutely. However Gabe will likely still see his starting job safe. 

 

Shakir was fantastic, but so was Davis in that #3WR role. 

This is a terrible take, seriously. The Bills have a new OC and you should suspend judgment until you actually know what’s going on. You honestly should delete your posts in this thread because they’re that bad.

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Super. Had nothing to do with the conversation. Do try and keep up, or let the adults chat. 

Sorry Dad

[Alphadawg7]

48 minutes ago, Whkfc said:

Another strong game for Shakir and another no-show game from Gabe Davis. Have we seen a change at the #2 receiver for the Bills?

I started calling for this a month ago…

Been great watching Shakir just keep making plays, been high on him since before the draft.  

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

This is a terrible take, seriously. The Bills have a new OC and you should suspend judgment until you actually know what’s going on. You honestly should delete your posts in this thread because they’re that bad.

K. Nothing you say refutes anything I said. Until you do that I'll leave my posts up. 

[TailgateChef]

37 minutes ago, Whkfc said:

I think Josh is done even looking his way 

He threw to him on his sideline scrambles.  Gabe is still good for a few of those tight sideline grabs a year.  Possibly his best use at this point.

[RoscoeParrish]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

K. Nothing you say refutes anything I said. Until you do that I'll leave my posts up. 

Gabe didn’t look superior in the WR3 role. Embrace debate clown and then delete your posts like a big boy. Try and keep up

Edited November 20, 2023 by RoscoeParrish

[Punch]

10 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I think I saw Davis throw a good block on a running play once … so he’s got that going for him 😂

[billsfan89]

4 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

That and Steelers last year. This year he has a bunch of TDs but they were like his only catches of the game.

Gabe has had some good games in his career. Miami in the playoffs last season plus he had solid games against the Bucs and Commanders this season. The issue is that Gabe disappeares for games at a time.

 

I get that you can’t always have big games but you should find ways to have a positive impact and get a few receptions most games.

[Eastport bills]

Shakir has been great at getting open since his collegiate days. The idea of having Shakir as a great option with Kincaid, will open up opportunities for Davis and Stephan. The running game will benefit because teams will not be able to load the box. This shakeup has paid dividends already with Josh taking what the defense gave and he crushed the vaunted Jet defense.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Gabe didn’t look superior in the WR3 role. Embrace debate clown. 

Yeah, look I've entertained your moronic replies enough. I'm going to enjoy a win. Have a great night. 

[RoscoeParrish]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yeah, look I've entertained your moronic replies enough. I'm going to enjoy a win. Have a great night. 

You fraid?

[TailgateChef]

34 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Yes WR is our top priority in this draft. Our defense will survive not getting a DT round 1 but this draft is special at WR. We’ll miss out on Harrison but Odunze is the guy I want. He’s a physical freak who has natural hands and man just look at the trust Penix has with this kid. Watch the last play of the Washington vs Oregon state game yesterday on 4th down to seal the win. He’s just clutch and would slide into the #1 job sooner rather than later…BUT even if we aren’t fortunate enough to nab him, this is a ridiculously loaded class. Beane better have some good scouts in the building finally to talk some sense in him not waiting until round 5 for guys who won’t ever produce in the NFL cough cough shorter. Hit on a sure thing early, which this class has a lot of. 

I've loved him since last year.  Wanted him in the 2nd, but he didn't declare.  My only gripe is he insists on keeping his eyes on the ball.  Won't pivot to turn an inside shoulder grab into an outside shoulder grab.  See his 2nd TD grab last night:

 

Still, he's literally a Dez Bryant clone.  I think he's gonna be dominant for years.

[AuntieEm]

56 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Production wise, absolutely. However Gabe will likely still see his starting job safe. 

 

Shakir was fantastic, but so was Davis in that #3WR role. 

 

We have a QB that can deliver the ball to practically every inch of the field if given enough protection and the weapons to spread out a defense.  You add in a running game and yes at right times Allen may go for a little jaunt.  Not many defenses can do that for a whole game. Spread the ball all around everybody gets a ring.  

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Edited November 20, 2023 by AuntieEm

[HappyDays]

I mean, I guess. Shakir is fine which means he's better than Davis by default. By no means is he a true WR2 though, let's not overexaggerate. Our passing offense has a huge hole at the #2 spot behind Diggs. Tonight that was by far the biggest reason that some of our early drives stalled out. Brady and Allen maximized it as best they could, but it's still a pretty glaring vulnerability for our team right now.

 

If anything Cook and the run game have become our go to when Allen to Diggs isn't working. As long as we can use our RBs in the run and pass game as well as we did today, the #2 pass catcher role can be papered over with some combination of Kincaid and Shakir. I just worry about games where our passing offense has to be the engine of the team. Do we have enough there to win those kinds of games?

[BBFL]

Maybe in terms of target share but I think the player he actually supplanted was Harty 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

13 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

You fraid?

I’m sure all of us are “fraid” of you and your 132 posts 

[Trogdor]

59 minutes ago, Whkfc said:

I think Josh is done even looking his way 

Davis is a middle to deep route guy, which is exactly what you don't throw against the Jets. This game was tailor made for slot/te. I wouldn't read too much into 0 targets. 

[Mango]

A big part of Shakir’s upside has always been his versatility to play inside and out. Shakir should have always been in the slot, even going back to last year. He gives us a lot of wiggle room to move Diggs around as well. 
 

I think part of the problem is we keep (kept?) trying to replace Beasley with McKenzie and Harty. When we need a guy who was crisp with good hands. 
 

The more teams respect some of our slot guys like Shakir, Cook, and Kincade, the bigger games Diggs and to an extent Davis will have. When teams key in on Kincaid/Shakir underneath is when we should expect a big game from Davis. Which honestly, is perfect for him and us. 
 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Shakir is a good #3.  I think the Bills #2 is being drafted next year or in FA

[Tim Tindale]

1 hour ago, Man with No Name said:

HE is saying that Davis was fantastic in the role of 3rd WR

Gabe never appeared as the slot WR in this offense that I’m aware of. 

[RoscoeParrish]

8 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I’m sure all of us are “fraid” of you and your 132 posts 

Alright taxi man, I’ll bite. What does number of posts have to do with anything? Should I log more hours on an Internet forum so you fraid?

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Production wise, absolutely. However Gabe will likely still see his starting job safe. 

 

Shakir was fantastic, but so was Davis in that #3WR role. 

 

Indeed.  Having said that, curious WTF took them so long to figure that out.  

 

 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Tim Tindale said:

Gabe never appeared as the slot WR in this offense that I’m aware of. 

For whatever reason people have started to use WR3 as the starter in the slot and the backup outside interchangeably. 
 

But like I said above, if believe that if we use our slot guys (Kincaid, Shakir, Cook) effectively Gabe Davis is an OK guy on the outside to stretch the field and run a lot of deep routes. I think there is talent in the group. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t try to upgrade him. I would. I’d most definitely take somebody high in the draft.

[H2o]

22 minutes ago, TailgateChef said:

I've loved him since last year.  Wanted him in the 2nd, but he didn't declare.  My only gripe is he insists on keeping his eyes on the ball.  Won't pivot to turn an inside shoulder grab into an outside shoulder grab.  See his 2nd TD grab last night:

 

Still, he's literally a Dez Bryant clone.  I think he's gonna be dominant for years.

Odunze seems a bit stiff to me watching him play. I'm on the Xavier Leggette hype train. Very similar to AJ Brown when he was coming out of Ole Miss. He doesn't get the push that some of these other WR's are getting, but the talent and athletic ability are there.

 

 

 

[TailgateChef]

18 minutes ago, H2o said:

Odunze seems a bit stiff to me watching him play. I'm on the Xavier Leggette hype train. Very similar to AJ Brown when he was coming out of Ole Miss. He doesn't get the push that some of these other WR's are getting, but the talent and athletic ability are there.

 

 

 

I hope the Clemson vs SC game is available this weekend.  Will watch Leggette closely if so.

(I LOVE that deep crosser against Georgia for 35.  Rattler looks a bit like Josh there with the backpedal and set-throw.  That play would look so good Josh to Leggette!)

Edited November 20, 2023 by TailgateChef

[RoscoeParrish]

26 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Davis is a middle to deep route guy, which is exactly what you don't throw against the Jets. This game was tailor made for slot/te. I wouldn't read too much into 0 targets. 

 

Gabe Davis has 8 games of 3 catches or less and has 5 games of 35 yards or less. 

What kind of guy is that?
 

[In Summary]

IMO, the Jets specialize in taking away the mid/deep routes that Davis would run. Game plan was to use other players. Brady smartly abandoned the belief that you can only win by forcing it to Diggs and Davis.

[Big Turk]

Shakir is turning into a real player...all the dude does is make plays for them, and is great at YAC. 2nd time in 4 games with more than 90 yards receiving...if this continues, his emergence could be huge going forward and heading into net year.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Big Turk

[ProcessImproverMan]

Shakir to me has always shown good hands for the football. I don't see him dropping much if anything which is a huge plus. The drop against Miami in the playoff game last year was a tough catch to make but other than that, haven't seen him with the dropsies like Davis and Knox. Smooth runner too and has shown good work getting open. I don't think he is a true number 2 but he could easily be our new Beasley if we continue to work him in and scheme well.