Jets @ Bills Postgame thread

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Let's see how 7-5 feels.

I would really like to know how 12-5 feels after one hell of a run heading into the playoffs

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Johnson replaces Harris. Fournette is there to put heat on Murray

 

 

Before Harris got hurt, him, Murray, and Cook were all active.  Harris gets hurt and they sign Fournette.  To me that says Fournette was signed to replace Harris.  He's not replacing Murray.  Yes could he also take away some of Murrays snaps as he's a bit more versatile, but highly doubt there's any plans to have on Sunday the 3 active RB's be Cook Fournette and Johnson.

[Blank Stare]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

He was then mysteriously benched.

 

Team cancer Stefon Diggs clearly asking teammates to help him pack for his inevitable move to Dallas.

Awesome to see, but my one prevailing thought after seeing this video is damn offensive lineman are big. Especially big tall Spencer Brown. Dwarfed Diggs. 

[Ray Stonada]

 

[SWATeam]

4 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

McD has lost the locker room!

[stevewin]

18 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

Was nice to see Sauce give up on that play which is the reason Shakir was able to cut back - imagine that was why Williams was going off on him after 

[BaaadThingsMan]

ST set the tone right out of the gate yesterday. 

 

Jim Nantz wasn't even finished talking about the ending of the first game and what it meant to the Bills season since then.

 

Boom, huge hit and fumble on the opening kickoff. 

 

Bills went on to kick their asses and I sincerely hope they never look back.

 

Let's GO Buffalo!!!

 

[stevewin]

Lol check out the headline on the right

[PatsFanNH]

10 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Lol check out the headline on the right

Lmao but their O line is down right laughable! Even with Rogers they MAY have 1-2 more wins if that. 

[BaaadThingsMan]

Ty Johnson might have some juice

[FLFan]

21 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao but their O line is down right laughable! Even with Rogers they MAY have 1-2 more wins if that. 

As long as one of them is against Miami.  

[Tenhigh]

8 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I was at the game and thought it was silly.  During the Jets timeout when we were going to "go for it", the long snapper on the sidelines was taking warm up snaps.  Telegraph much?

 

In general really though I hate this. Either go for it or not.  Its just wimpy football.  Seems like a waste of time outs.

It's a great setup for a real play though.  If we snap it with 1 sec on the game clock the Jets would have been caught with their pants down.

[Logic]

Personally, I was really encouraged by what I saw from the offense yesterday. The defense continued to play really well, particularly considering all of the injuries to the unit. But obviously, given the change at offensive coordinator, the offense is what I was most interested to see. A good first outing for Joe Brady and company.

Schematically:

- Attacking the Jets' defense logically, i.e. they have really good corners, so we featured the running backs and tight ends instead

- Featuring the running backs in the passing game. Not as checkdown options, but on plays where they're the primary read

- Scheming players open. Happened on the James Cook and Ty Johnson touchdowns

- Attacking the middle of the field, namely to Dalton Kincaid and Khalil Shakir

- Featuring the young Bills offensive players in the gameplan. Kincaid, Shakir, Cook, and even Ty Johnson all critical to success on the day

- Less predictability. I, as a viewer, had way less idea what was coming from play to play. Can only imagine it was the same for the Jets defense

- Good tempo throughout. It could be me, but plays seemed to be getting in faster, and the Bills O getting to the line sooner and with more time on the playclock.

- Diggs only had 27 yards and Davis had 0, but the Bills still scored 32 points. This showed diversity and creativity and an ability to produce beyond WR1

Intangibles:

 

- Josh was fired up, and firing up teammates. Him sprinting all the way downfield to celebrate with Shakir, and then the WAY he celebrated with Shakir. Man, what a sight for sore eyes. Guys looked like they were having more fun. Didn't look so "heavy". A player or two specifically mentioned after the fact that it was a fun day, too.


Things I'll be watching going forward:
 

- Diggs was invisible. Was this simply a matter of gameplanning against a specific opponent? Will Joe Brady find good and creative ways to get Diggs involved going forward?

- Will the running backs continue to be featured in the passing game? Cook and Johnson are both good pass catchers and both have the speed to outrun linebackers, so I hope this continues to be a part of the gameplan

- Will Shakir continue to become the de facto WR2, and perhaps even begin to take snaps away from Gabe Davis?
- Will the offense continue to look like it's having fun instead of doing heavy lifting?
 

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Logic

[SCBills]

I think we needed to have two objectives against the Jets and their top tier defense:

 

1) Win

 

2) Get the Offense going

 

Check and Check

 

Cannot overstate how massive it would be to beat the Eagles and get to 7-5 for the bye.  10-7 "might" get us in, but 11-6 does and I think we'll all feel like that's absolutely possible if they can beat Philly.

 

Just like the Jets were a test for our "new offense", the Eagles will be a test to see if our new defense can slow down a top offense.

 

I listened to the postgame last night while driving home and Schopp/Bulldog were incredibly down on our defense, and while I get it... I also feel like Linval Joseph can give us 70% of Daquan Jones.  Similarly, Rasul Douglas 80-85% of Tre White.  Which means, as long as we don't continue to get decimated on that side of the ball, they really are trying to mask the loss of Milano.  Am I off-base to expect more from this defense than them being an albatross for the rest of the season and our offense needing to just win shootouts every game?

[clayboy54]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

- Diggs was invisible. Was this simply a matter of gameplanning against a specific opponent? Will Joe Brady find good and creative ways to get Diggs involved going forward?

Honestly, he dropped a few at the start. That said, why attack Sauce and his shadow double coverage when you have other guys running open. This is a concept that Dorsey did not understand. It is a part of taking what they give you, and not taking unnecessary risks.

[BaaadThingsMan]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

Things I'll be watching going forward:
 

- Diggs was invisible. Was this simply a matter of gameplanning against a specific opponent? Will Joe Brady find good and creative ways to get Diggs involved going forward?

In the box score, he was barely noticeable. 

 

On the field and sideline it was widely reported that he was heavily involved all night, encouraging Allen and staying engaged with his teammates. Which is encouraging. 

 

Would be nice to see some more balls his way but I think they will going forward

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

Lol check out the headline on the right

No wonder Wilson goes after moms, he still needs help tying his shoe laces.

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, Beast said:

Huh?

 

Why on Earth would you want the Chiefs to have any success?

 

The Jets beat the Eagles. That’s good enough.

we want the chiefs to have success tonight so they can possibly expose a weakness in Philly that we can use to help us win next week.  
 

The only things that matters is the Bills winning games and the teams competing for the AFCE and WC to lose games.  KC winning or losing games is irrelevant to our playoff push

 

We aren’t competing with the chiefs for playoff position. They will win their division and will have a better record than us regardless of this game imo.  The only thing that matters to us is winning every game.  If KC can show us some concepts that will help us beat Philly, that’s more useful than KC getting beaten and showing us nothing on how to beat them.  
 

 

[Simon]

27 minutes ago, Logic said:

- Diggs was invisible. Was this simply a matter of gameplanning against a specific opponent? Will Joe Brady find good and creative ways to get Diggs involved going forward?

 

He had three drops and a fumble in the first quarter.

I imagine that may have affected how they used him the remainder of the day.

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

we want the chiefs to have success tonight so they can possibly expose a weakness in Philly that we can use to help us win next week.  
 

The only things that matters is the Bills winning games and the teams competing for the AFCE and WC to lose games.  KC winning or losing games is irrelevant to our playoff push

 

We aren’t competing with the chiefs for playoff position. They will win their division and will have a better record than us regardless of this game imo.  The only thing that matters to us is winning every game.  If KC can show us some concepts that will help us beat Philly, that’s more useful than KC getting beaten and showing us nothing on how to beat them.  
 

 

I am kind of hoping Philly beats the Chiefs so bad that both Mahomes and Hurts decide to retire tuesday morning.  Mahomes because he does not want to lose that bad ever again and he has a number of commercial shoots to get to and Hurts because he realizes he will never have it better than he did monday night.

 

All the bills problems solved.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

A Jets fans perspective:

 

First half:

 

 

 

 

 

Second half:

 

 

 

Boy, are they pissed!

That was great watching the highlights with comments from a foul mouthed Horshack!

 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I am kind of hoping Philly beats the Chiefs so bad that both Mahomes and Hurts decide to retire tuesday morning.  Mahomes because he does not want to lose that bad ever again and he has a number of commercial shoots to get to and Hurts because he realizes he will never have it better than he did monday night.

 

All the bills problems solved.

That would be best case scenario for sure!

[BaaadThingsMan]

Opening drive, 3rd quarter....Cook takes a shot from Williams and the very next play dekes him out for 15 and a first down. 

 

Love that *****!

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Ty Johnson played very good tonight. Very inspiring.

 

Serious question... what happens when Damien Harris is healthy again?

I’d go with Ty tbh.  He’s more versatile.  He doesn’t have the same strength behind his hammer as Harris does, but he’s not far behind and has more juice imo.  More useful in the pass game as well.

 

that’s said-  just give James Cook the dam ball!!!

[BaaadThingsMan]

TD celebrations last night were enthusiastic 

9 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Ty Johnson played very good tonight. Very inspiring.

 

Serious question... what happens when Damien Harris is healthy again?

I think Harris will retire.

 

He's working on the financials right now to see if it's feasible. 

[Low Positive]

9 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Ty Johnson played very good tonight. Very inspiring.

 

Serious question... what happens when Damien Harris is healthy again?

The more interesting question is do you cut Johnson to add Fournette? Because that's probably what you would have to do.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Low Positive said:

The more interesting question is do you cut Johnson to add Fournette? Because that's probably what you would have to do.

NO.

 

 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

Was nice to see Sauce give up on that play which is the reason Shakir was able to cut back - imagine that was why Williams was going off on him after 

Yeah, I noticed Sauce give up, too.  Always a sign the player is focused on himself rather than the team.   

[BaaadThingsMan]

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

The more interesting question is do you cut Johnson to add Fournette? Because that's probably what you would have to do.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

ST set the tone right out of the gate yesterday. 

 

Jim Nantz wasn't even finished talking about the ending of the first game and what it meant to the Bills season since then.

 

Boom, huge hit and fumble on the opening kickoff. 

 

Bills went on to kick their asses and I sincerely hope they never look back.

 

Let's GO Buffalo!!!

 

 

Wait I'm so confused

 

I thought Smiley should have been fired at halftime yesterday

 

I can't keep up

[SoonerBillsFan]

54 minutes ago, Logic said:

Personally, I was really encouraged by what I saw from the offense yesterday. The defense continued to play really well, particularly considering all of the injuries to the unit. But obviously, given the change at offensive coordinator, the offense is what I was most interested to see. A good first outing for Joe Brady and company.

Schematically:

- Attacking the Jets' defense logically, i.e. they have really good corners, so we featured the running backs and tight ends instead

- Featuring the running backs in the passing game. Not as checkdown options, but on plays where they're the primary read

- Scheming players open. Happened on the James Cook and Ty Johnson touchdowns

- Attacking the middle of the field, namely to Dalton Kincaid and Khalil Shakir

- Featuring the young Bills offensive players in the gameplan. Kincaid, Shakir, Cook, and even Ty Johnson all critical to success on the day

- Less predictability. I, as a viewer, had way less idea what was coming from play to play. Can only imagine it was the same for the Jets defense

- Good tempo throughout. It could be me, but plays seemed to be getting in faster, and the Bills O getting to the line sooner and with more time on the playclock.

- Diggs only had 27 yards and Davis had 0, but the Bills still scored 32 points. This showed diversity and creativity and an ability to produce beyond WR1

Intangibles:

 

- Josh was fired up, and firing up teammates. Him sprinting all the way downfield to celebrate with Shakir, and then the WAY he celebrated with Shakir. Man, what a sight for sore eyes. Guys looked like they were having more fun. Didn't look so "heavy". A player or two specifically mentioned after the fact that it was a fun day, too.


Things I'll be watching going forward:
 

- Diggs was invisible. Was this simply a matter of gameplanning against a specific opponent? Will Joe Brady find good and creative ways to get Diggs involved going forward?

- Will the running backs continue to be featured in the passing game? Cook and Johnson are both good pass catchers and both have the speed to outrun linebackers, so I hope this continues to be a part of the gameplan

- Will Shakir continue to become the de facto WR2, and perhaps even begin to take snaps away from Gabe Davis?
- Will the offense continue to look like it's having fun instead of doing heavy lifting?
 

 

Agreed on all counts esp since they doubled diggs all night or Sauce just molested him and not get called for it.  That said, it really hammers home again a damn good #2 WR must be found this offseason, Davis just isn't it

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, stevewin said:

Kinda lost in the whole Jets offense sucks thing is how much Nate Hackett sucks

For sure.

 

to be fair to the jets QB, their OL IS ravaged by injuries is such a terrible way.  Tippman is really the only starter worthy player on their OL rn.  

[Beck Water]

23 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

TD celebrations last night were enthusiastic 

I think Harris will retire.

 

He's working on the financials right now to see if it's feasible. 

 

That's my interpretation of McDermott's remarks. 

 

Either Harris has lingering concussion symptoms (as Kolb does), OR, he had a vision of himself as paralyzed and unable to hold his expected child that overcame any love for football or desire to continue his football career.

 

He really should be able to, at some level.  Spotrac puts his career earnings at $5.7M, that's not private-jet-for-life money, but it's live in a nice house and send your kids to private school money if he's done anything prudent with most of it.

 

7 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Agreed on all counts esp since they doubled diggs all night or Sauce just molested him and not get called for it.  That said, it really hammers home again a damn good #2 WR must be found this offseason, Davis just isn't it

 

 

This is part of my frustration with the current state of officiating in the NFL.  It makes such a huge difference to the outcome whether or not DPI and DH are actually called according to rule.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Beck Water

[Mango]

34 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He had three drops and a fumble in the first quarter.

I imagine that may have affected how they used him the remainder of the day.

He also lead the team in targets. 
 

Diggs wasn’t invisible. He had opportunities and made nothing of them. He had a bad day at the office. It happens.

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

The more interesting question is do you cut Johnson to add Fournette? Because that's probably what you would have to do.

My take:  Lenny is a PS player and will be all season unless someone gets hurt

[Mango]

36 minutes ago, NewEra said:

That would be best case scenario for sure!

I wouldn’t say I’m rooting for injury. And definitely not a dirty play.

 

But if these two teams kick the shirt out of each other tonight it wouldn’t be the worst thing for the Bills.

 

 

 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I wouldn’t say I’m rooting for injury. And definitely not a dirty play.

 

But if these two teams kick the shirt out of each other tonight it wouldn’t be the worst thing for the Bills.

 

 

 

I don’t root for injuries but when they happen, I don’t feel bad.  It’s a huge part of the game.  Injuries have ruined our seasons in the past.  If injuries ruin other teams seasons, good.  To beat a dead horse, winning SBs requires a lot of luck.  If other teams having injuries is part of our luck, I’ll take all the luck we can get

[Bob in STL]

13 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

What’s insanely frustrating about the Bills offense lack of consistency is that the individual components along with the key additions are all playing better than last season or have added a lot. There also isn’t much regression if any from established players.

 

Spencer Brown last season was one of the worst RT’s in the league. This year he has been a lot better. McGovern and Torrence have played much better than the guards last season. Dawkins is even playing slightly better. 
 

James Cook is playing better and Murray has been a productive addition. Shakir has come on strong and Kincaid has been a major positive. 
 

Diggs, Mitch and Davis are all playing similar to what they were last season. The only major injury is Knox who has been replaced by Kincaid. 
 

Yet the offense has been underperforming many times. Just really shows you that Dorsey was a big issue.

What about Allen?  

 

[Seventeen]

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

For sure.

 

to be fair to the jets QB, their OL IS ravaged by injuries is such a terrible way.  Tippman is really the only starter worthy player on their OL rn.  

 

 No need to be fair - Wilson would suck if he had a decent offensive line.

[NewEra]

Just now, Seventeen said:

 

 No need to be fair - Wilson would suck if he had a decent offensive line.

He would suck but he engineered Gw drives against us in 2 of the last 3 games.  Yesterday was his worst game I can remember by far.  No shock that it was behind an OL of depth players.  Dude never had a chance all day