Josh Allen 177 yards and 2 INTs

[Low Positive]

The Bills didn’t lose because of 12 men on a missed FG. We lost because the QB played poorly against a bad defense. I’m not saying to trade the guy, but that’s not good enough. Other franchise QBs don’t have games like that. Burrow threw for over 300 in his loss on Sunday. Mahomes doesn’t have games like this. Even Herbert doesn’t have games like this. He clearly saw a sport’s psychologist this offseason (low positive is right from those people) and it’s messing with his head. But in the end, I’m not sure he cares.

Edited November 14, 2023 by FrenchConnection

[Blackbeard]

It’s sad the D balled out.  They had great aggression and kept us in it.  
 

Why can’t we fire on all cylinders at the same time?!   Dejected. Ugh 

[uticaclub]

Comes down to coaching and discipline 

[JerseyBills]

To be fair the 2 picks were on Davis/Kincaid.  Gotta catch those 

 

We went run heavy cause why not? They couldn't stop it. 17 wasn't great but gave us the lead with the d needing 1 stop to win. 

 

edit- I realize 1 int was on Josh. His turnover ratio is getting ridiculous 

Edited November 14, 2023 by JerseyBills

[MPT]

Burrow looked like this the first month of the season. Mahomes looked like this last week against the same team. Herbert looked like this against the Jets two weeks ago. 

 

It happens. It's still mostly Allen's fault, but we could have run the ball literally every snap on offense and won this game easily.

 

Dorsey can't game plan or play call worth a damn.

Edited November 14, 2023 by MPT

[Low Positive]

Just now, MPT said:

Burrow looked like this the first month of the season. Mahomes looked like this last week against the same team. Herbert looked like this against the Jets two weeks ago. 

 

It happens. It's still mostly Allen's fault, but we could have run the ball literally every snap on offense and won this game easily.

 

Dorsey can't game plan or play call worth a damn.

It’s easy as a fan to blame coaches because they’re easy to fire. 

[Dunkirk Donski]

Just now, MPT said:

Burrow looked like this the first month of the season. Mahomes looked like this last week against the same team. Herbert looked like this against the Jets two weeks ago. 

 

It happens. It's still mostly Allen's fault, but we could have run the ball literally every snap on offense and won this game easily.

 

Dorsey can't game plan or play call worth a damn.

I fully billeve that McClapster has meddled in this offense and broken it.  Josh looked clocked out last night...

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

To be fair the 2 picks were on Davis/Kincaid.  Gotta catch those 

Nope.  Those “drops” were on Josh.  He has always been a “see it throw it” guy but it’s at another level this year.  He is so uninterested pre-snap that he is forced to process everything on the fly.  By the time he finally sees it, he often has to throw it with so much zip that it makes it nearly impossible for his receivers, crazy bounces happen, etc.  Josh is a huge problem this year and it’s his lack of preparation and work before the ball is snapped.

 

Of course, it would’ve helped to sign a savvy veteran receiver who happens to have the strongest hands in the entire NFL, but Beane didn’t want to shell out another $2m/year or whatever for DHop.  

I’d fire all of them.

[Shortchaz]

I’m pretty sure mahomes had a game just like that 2 weeks ago against the same team 

[streetkings01]

It seems to me going back to last year our offense has been figured out. Any and every defense we play against seems to give us fits. We went from an offense that rarely punts and consistently scores 28+ points to an offense that always punts and struggles to put 20+ points.

Edited November 14, 2023 by streetkings01

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

To be fair the 2 picks were on Davis/Kincaid.  Gotta catch those 

 

The second pick was on Josh - it was a ball out to Harty. 

 

When the QB is struggling, a team needs coaching and players to come up trumps and bring their A game. Dorsey abandoned the running game too often. Cook came close but had a killer fumble. Davis dropped. Murray dropped. Kincaid dropped. Diggs dropped. Josh is having issues but he's not being helped out by anyone around him, who are also making bad errors. How many times to we see receivers for other teams make astounding catches by reaching for the ball or when it's being contested? This lot can't even hold on to one which is straight into their hands.

[JerseyBills]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The second pick was on Josh - it was a ball out to Harty. 

 

When the QB is struggling, a team needs coaching and players to come up trumps and bring their A game. Dorsey abandoned the running game too often. Cook came close but had a killer fumble. Davis dropped. Murray dropped. Kincaid dropped. Diggs dropped. Josh is having issues but he's not being helped out by anyone around him, who are also making bad errors. How many times to we see receivers for other teams make astounding catches by reaching for the ball or when it's being contested? This lot can't even hold on to one which is straight into their hands.

I don't want to watch the highlights.  Could've sworn both ints were off their hands. But as I've said before,  I'm drinking especially for night games. lol

[BuffaloRebound]

2 things can be true.  We absolutely lost because of 12 men.  And the offense is a mess.  

[UKBillFan]

Just now, JerseyBills said:

I don't want to watch the highlights.  Could've sworn both ints were off their hands. But as I've said before,  I'm drinking especially for night games. lol

 

I know the feeling? From memory Davis had both hands on the ball. The Harty interception was all Josh. He did not make Cook fumble in the 1st. Kincaid's was off the hands but was more than catchable. And Murray and Diggs' drops were dimes, but that is from memory.

[Low Positive]

11 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

I’m pretty sure mahomes had a game just like that 2 weeks ago against the same team 

He had the flu. He was running a GD fever during the game. What’s Josh’s excuse?

Edited November 14, 2023 by FrenchConnection

[MPT]

15 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

It’s easy as a fan to blame coaches because they’re easy to fire. 

 

It's easy to blame coaches when they abandon the run game against a weak run defense and have 12 men on the field when the opponent misses a game winning field goal. Or when they hurry up at the end of the half to make sure the opponent is able to get their field goal attempt in before the clock runs out.

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

To be fair the 2 picks were on Davis/Kincaid.  Gotta catch those 

 

We went run heavy cause why not? They couldn't stop it. 17 wasn't great but gave us the lead with the d needing 1 stop to win. 

 

The first pick was on Davis, but the second pick was 100% on Allen. For the second week in a row he got picked on a late/misplaced throw to the “honey hole” against cover 2. 

[MPT]

20 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

I fully billeve that McClapster has meddled in this offense and broken it.  Josh looked clocked out last night...

 

I don't disagree there.

[Alphadawg7]

23 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

To be fair the 2 picks were on Davis/Kincaid.  Gotta catch those 

 

We went run heavy cause why not? They couldn't stop it. 17 wasn't great but gave us the lead with the d needing 1 stop to win. 

Kincaid wasn’t involved in an INT.  The one to Davis was on Davis, but the one to Harty was on Allen

[UKBillFan]

8 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

He had the flu. He was running a GD fever during the game. What’s Josh’s excuse?

 

At this stage, I'm concerned it might be something more serious and more difficult to get over than the flu. Hope it's issue changing the coaches will solve but worried it's deeper than that.

[PromoTheRobot]

25 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

The Bills didn’t lose because of 12 men on a missed FG. We lost because the QB played poorly against a bad defense. I’m not saying to trade the guy, but that’s not good enough. Other franchise QBs don’t have games like that. Burrow threw for over 300 in his loss on Sunday. Mahomes doesn’t have games like this. Even Herbert doesn’t have games like this. He clearly saw a sport’s psychologist this offseason (low positive is right from those people) and it’s messing with his head. But in the end, I’m not sure he cares.

Let's not forget the near interception at the start of the game. Plus another bad pass into coverage.

 

What's curious is the last several interceptions or near-interceptions occurred on the exact same sideline pattern. What I wonder is 1) is Josh's shoulder more injured than they are letting on, and 2) why do they keep calling that play?

[JerseyBills]

3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

The first pick was on Davis, but the second pick was 100% on Allen. For the second week in a row he got picked on a late/misplaced throw to the “honey hole” against cover 2. 

you're right. I remember it now. thanks. He hit Diggs last week on similar throw. But way to risky. For some reason i thought Kincaid had a drop lead to a pick

[Mango]

Other QB’s have these games. I think that’s a bit of a reach that they don’t. I get it. The way we lost this one feels so brutal. Josh just has too many turnover though. Both the hand off and the INT was on him. The Allen roller coaster as too many ups and downs. Our QB has a decision making problem. But I’d rather have this than Pennington. 

 

A few quotes from Aikman and the Manningcast. 
 

- “That interception was on Josh. I know it Josh knows it. Every QB in the NFL knows it” - Troy Aikman

 

-If you have to throw it that hard it makes you wonder if you should throw it at all” -Peyton Manning

 

-“I’m a guy whose thrown a lot of interceptions, but that’s too many”- Peyton Manning

 

-“He really didn’t want to throw the ball away there.” *awkward mumbling and grumbling about needing to know when to make a play and throw it away*
 

-“Josh Allen should take the his entire defense out to a Buffalo Wing dinner for keeping him in this game. He is lucky it isn’t 35-15.”- Peyton Manning

 

-“They’re giving him everything underneath. Take the check downs. Does he know he can have a 10-11 play drive. You’re allowed to have 10 play drive” - Eli Manning

As the game went on there was a lot of talk about decision making from the QB. It started as “well he’s Josh he can make up for it” and the game more or less ended with “you can’t keep doing this to your team”

 

Then obviously the infamous Brady/Allen exchange about checking it down. But it’s not really about checking it down, it’s understanding where you are in the game and making the right decision at the right time. 
 

https://twitter.com/siriusxmnfl/status/1720067066814685552?s=46&t=jFTEZzM9QlUz_auGjxtkuA

Edited November 14, 2023 by Mango
Eli quote

[JerseyBills]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Kincaid wasn’t involved in an INT.  The one to Davis was on Davis, but the one to Harty was on Allen

ya I'm tripping lol

[Shortchaz]

2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

He had the flu. He was running a GD fever during the game. What’s Josh’s excuse?

If your point is josh is playing poorly I agree. If you’re point is other quarterbacks don’t have poor performances or bad stretches, that’s a different animal. 
 

I think everyone knows what you get with josh at this point but we’re not getting as many amazing plays to make up for the wacky bad ones. Josh hasn’t evolved. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Shortchaz

[Back2Buff]

One line I can't take anymore, "We are WASTING someone as talented as Josh Allen."  Allen has elite physical traits, but he does not think the game or have the preparation of an elite QB.  Allen's early success was much about the schedule we played and the league playing "prove it" with Allen.  Now teams know how to mentally confuse him, and he isn't capable of fixing that.  Allen is part of the problem, stop acting like he isn't.

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Let's not forget the near interception at the start of the game. Plus another bad pass into coverage.

 

What's curious is the last several interceptions or near-interceptions occurred on the exact same sideline pattern. What I wonder is 1) is Josh's shoulder more injured than they are letting on, and 2) why do they keep calling that play?

You gotta have the route in the playbook and Josh likes to make that throw as we see every week. 
 

I think defenses know he likes the throw and they wait for it. 
 

As much as we’ve gotten wrong the. Last few years, we’ve had some stretches where everything has gone right. This may be the university equalling itself out a bit. 

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

One line I can't take anymore, "We are WASTING someone as talented as Josh Allen."  Allen has elite physical traits, but he does not think the game or have the preparation of an elite QB.  Allen's early success was much about the schedule we played and the league playing "prove it" with Allen.  Now teams know how to mentally confuse him, and he isn't capable of fixing that.  Allen is part of the problem, stop acting like he isn't.

 

Then the Bills need coaches who can first help Josh mentally, then exaggerate his ceiling and reduce the 'floor' plays. Josh is a problem but the coaches are doing nothing to solve it; indeed I think they're making the issue worse.

[Shortchaz]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

-If you have to throw it that hard it makes you wonder if you should throw it at all” -Peyton Manning

 

 

This is a perfect summation of what we’ve been seeing from josh for a long stretch. He  has demonstrated an ability to make amazing throws but why is it he has to throw so hard? He has to get better at anticipating as demonstrated by making more receiver friendly throws. 

[Back2Buff]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Then the Bills need coaches who can first help Josh mentally, then exaggerate his ceiling and reduce the 'floor' plays. Josh is a problem but the coaches are doing nothing to solve it; indeed I think they're making the issue worse.

 

The guy is 26 years old, a 45 million dollar a year QB.  You want to rely on a coach to fix that type of QB?!?  It's on Allen.  The plays are there and he has full authority to change the play at the line.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

My biggest fear at the moment is that there will be a group of fans that try to get Allen off the team rather than blame the coaches 

[CookieG]

18 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The second pick was on Josh - it was a ball out to Harty. 

 

When the QB is struggling, a team needs coaching and players to come up trumps and bring their A game. Dorsey abandoned the running game too often. Cook came close but had a killer fumble. Davis dropped. Murray dropped. Kincaid dropped. Diggs dropped. Josh is having issues but he's not being helped out by anyone around him, who are also making bad errors. How many times to we see receivers for other teams make astounding catches by reaching for the ball or when it's being contested? This lot can't even hold on to one which is straight into their hands.

Yeah, the 2nd int was on Josh.  So was the fumbled exchange with Cook.  That's one INT and one fumble.  He also had a throw that should have been an INT where the DB couldn't stay inbounds.  As far as running the ball more, Cook had a 2nd fumble that miraculously bounced back into his hands after it hit the turf.  In a way, the Bills received 2 big gifts that could have made it actually worse.

 

The thing is, you've got a QB who has had a history this year of turning the ball over, with this year being no different. 

You have a RB who gave the ball up on the first play of the game.

You have an offense that had turned the ball over twice in the 1st Q. 

 

You'd think that ball security would be a higher priority.

 

The 2nd INT was inexcusable, as was the botched handoff to Cook. As was the 2nd Cook fumble.

 

Both Allen and Cook contributed more than their fair share of the comedy of errors that was the offense last night.

[mannc]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Kincaid wasn’t involved in an INT.  The one to Davis was on Davis, but the one to Harty was on Allen

Targeting Harty on a deep out was ridiculous to begin with.  Just seems like this offense is built on a lot of low percentage throws….absolutely nothing is easy. There is something fundamentally wrong with this scheme.

[chef4131]

Josh is an emotional mess has too many off field issues 

[Shortchaz]

2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

My biggest fear at the moment is that there will be a group of fans that try to get Allen off the team rather than blame the coaches 

There’s something to this. Someone has to be able to motivate josh to get better, he has to. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

There’s something to this. Someone has to be able to motivate josh to get better, he has to. 

That’s exactly why you fire the coach. It sends a message to the entire team, including the star QB. 

[zow2]

46 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

It’s sad the D balled out.  They had great aggression and kept us in it.  
 

Why can’t we fire on all cylinders at the same time?!   Dejected. Ugh 

 

The D balled out,  but like Jax, NE, Cinci and now Denver…just when Allen and the O get their act together, MCDermotts D caves at exactly the wrong time. They caved against the Giants too, to be honest and got lucky. 

[ddaryl]

Josh is definetely not the QB he was in 2021... He's throwing into coverages and not seeing the obvious defenders. He's missing plenty of open options, he isn't running the football like he used to, and all we asked of him was to slide instead of taking a hit. His long ball accuracy is non existent. He is not on the same page with Davis.

Josh needs to work on Josh. We have other issues but Josh has issues to fix himself

[Matt_In_NH]

His INT percentage is up this year a lot....on an offense that is running the ball better with running backs....on an offense that added two legitimate guards and now has a good OL....on an offense that added a dynamic TE.   Dorsey is getting the heat and will probably be fired soon but something is not right with Josh.  The weird press conferences...Mitch Morse coming out with him last night....he has blank look when he goes to the sideline.   My opinion is something emotional/mental is going on with him that is not known.  A lot of his numbers look fine but the body language says otherwise.  During this bad streak, when the Bills need to score to get back in it, he has been money.

 

25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Let's not forget the near interception at the start of the game. Plus another bad pass into coverage.

 

What's curious is the last several interceptions or near-interceptions occurred on the exact same sideline pattern. What I wonder is 1) is Josh's shoulder more injured than they are letting on, and 2) why do they keep calling that play?

I have not seen him wince the last two games....he could be getting an injection of some sort and he definitely protected it vs the Bengals on runs.   Last night I never thought he was protecting the shoulder.    The INT vs the Bengals and the on before the half last night were bad throws and bad decisions...as was the one at the beginning of the game that was nearly picked.  Cannot blame the shoulder for making the wrong decision.

[Big Blitz]

How did Mahomes do against this defense?

 

I’m not making excuses for Josh but don’t overreact - his play is a reflection of this head coach and the OC that have neutered him and tried to turn the entire offense and our philosophy into something it hasn’t been under Allen.  
 

2 tight ends.  No slot weapon.  No number 2 WR Davis is just not getting it done.  
 

 

 

We are squandering peak Josh Allen.  I’ve already moved on from this staff.  It’s all unacceptable.