Best Williams Available Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 27 minutes ago, Nuncha said: Time to move him and get anything in return. We won’t get much because it’s clear he’s not important to the Bills and other GMs know this in negotiations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 We need some big plays. The team has to start believing again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 58 minutes ago, JMM said: That still wouldn't be a reason yet to completely give up on the 21st overall pick at a position of need after a season and a half. Unfortunately I believe there is something much more here. I'm not sure they view it as a position of need. They have two corners ahead of him who outplay him, who are good NFL starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: BOTH at this point. WE NEED SARTAIN or someone at least serviceable, not some washed up guys. Yes he is... the pressure is really building, and if our problems get any worse, he will be in the hot seat like Staley is. You can feel it. Get serious. Followed up by an even dumber take. Keep going, you’re on a roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 This run defense is SIGNIFICANTLY better with Oliver in 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Elam for a bag of pucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: It started last year when Xavier Rhodes was curiously active over Elam. Like you, I have to believe it goes beyond talent and potential. Something happened at OBD that we’re not privy to. Staff is very good at developing DBs so likely issue is him not following direction of staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Criminal what they’ve done to Elam and his confidence. Complete BS. Kid can play. If they bail early, it will be a mistake. And if you knew he was a man corner with limited zone experience, then play more man. Some of this is on the scouts too. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I'll be the contrarian here... rather than dump a physically gifted young player for a late-round pick, hold onto him and hope later in the year or in year three he makes a breakthrough. we saw him play well in his first year; I don't think he's a lost cause yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 He Has really regressed this season, hopefully we can trade him to a man coverage team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I agree with most of this except the bolded. Personally, I don't think we reached for him, he was mostly seen as a mid/late 1st to early 2nd type pick. And technically, if we didn't take him in the first, we would have in the 2nd had he managed to slip there, so there was no plausible scenario he would have been a 3rd round pick. I didn’t think he was a 1st rd corner- especially for our system. Doesn’t make sense unless he planned on playing more press man. Edited October 27, 2023 by NewEra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I didn’t think he was a 1st rd corner- especially for our system. Doesn’t make sense unless he planned on playing more press man. I agree about that, but he wasn’t making it to the 3rd is all I was saying. He would have been taken likely within the next 10 picks IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 6 hours ago, WEATHER DOT COM said: Elam for a bag of pucks Do they allow cross sports trades if the NFL owner also is an NHL owner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 6 hours ago, WEATHER DOT COM said: Elam for a bag of pucks Have you seen pick prices lately?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I don’t understand the fascination with trading away players. Depth is OK. He’s on a rookie deal, let it play out. He’s had highs and lows, but the desire to cut bait so quickly is a little out there. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Easy to criticises McBeane for failure with Elam as a first pick, for sure. But not one person here saw what they saw in our third pick of the very same draft. Nobody can see the future with certainty. You win some, you lose some. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I agree about that, but he wasn’t making it to the 3rd is all I was saying. He would have been taken likely within the next 10 picks IMHO We have no clue where he was making it to. We all thought Tariq woolen was a sure to 3 round guy. At least rd 4…..right? Drafted rd 5. We have no clue. Pure speculation based on predraft hype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 9 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: I'll be the contrarian here... rather than dump a physically gifted young player for a late-round pick, hold onto him and hope later in the year or in year three he makes a breakthrough. we saw him play well in his first year; I don't think he's a lost cause yet. Let’s send this message to the “let’s trade AJE” crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: I don’t understand the fascination with trading away players. Depth is OK. He’s on a rookie deal, let it play out. He’s had highs and lows, but the desire to cut bait so quickly is a little out there. Depth is great when you have it…Unfortunately, Elam’s not even good enough to be depth… With 2 starters injured vs the Jags, Elam still got benched… So now, he’s essentially become less valuable to the team than the ball boy… Edited October 27, 2023 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, NewEra said: We have no clue where he was making it to. We all thought Tariq woolen was a sure to 3 round guy. At least rd 4…..right? Drafted rd 5. We have no clue. Pure speculation based on predraft hype Breece and Tariq would've been a nice haul in that draft. I believe a certain poster envisioned this in his draft wish 😎 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: Breece and Tariq would've been a nice haul in that draft. I believe a certain poster envisioned this in his draft wish 😎 And you could still get Bernard in the 3rd…👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I'll give credit where credit is due. Norman did look good last night on special teams 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Breece and Tariq would've been a nice haul in that draft. I believe a certain poster envisioned this in his draft wish 😎 Meh, we don’t need Breece Hall. I’d rather have Tyler smith, Tyler linderbaum, jermaine Johnson, Pickens or Watson. everyone wanted woolen after rd 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 11 hours ago, RochesterLifer said: Followed up by an even dumber take. Keep going, you’re on a roll. Followed up by an even worse ignorant response... good job, buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Depth is great when you have it…Unfortunately, Elam’s not even good enough to be depth… With 2 starters injured vs the Jags, Elam still got benched… So now, he’s essentially become less valuable to the team than the ball boy… Holy Hyperbole Batman. He’s cheap, young and talented. There’s clearly an issue and some sort of disconnect, but I’m not sure trading him helps this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, JGMcD2 said: Holy Hyperbole Batman. He’s cheap, young and talented. There’s clearly an issue and some sort of disconnect, but I’m not sure trading him helps this team. There’s definitely no winning in this situation for the Bills… Elam will forever go down as the poster child for why you don’t ever draft for need… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, JaCrispy said: There’s definitely no winning in this situation for the Bills… Elam will forever go down as the poster child for why you don’t ever draft for need… Maybe, maybe not. That’s the point, the book isn’t written yet. For whatever reason you’re comfortable speaking in absolutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 If a 34 year old Josh Norman gets the call over Ilam that is not a good look at all ! I can't believe that this guy can't make it on the field after the game last season against the Fins some were raving how he stayed step for step with Hill . He must really be missing something that the coaches are trying to get him to see i hope that maybe Beane can work a tad to get something for him maybe even the possibility of a trade like the one that brought Jerry Hughes here from Indy that would be a nice deal . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 18 hours ago, dorquemada said: Norman is going to miss Matlock for this? I dont think so quoting myself for posterity's sake, but did Norman actually make a play on Special Teams? Looked like his old self for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Maybe, maybe not. That’s the point, the book isn’t written yet. For whatever reason you’re comfortable speaking in absolutes. Sure, why not…😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 28 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: There’s definitely no winning in this situation for the Bills… Elam will forever go down as the poster child for why you don’t ever draft for need… It's not need that was the problem, it's scouting. The Bills thought he was great and even moved up to get him. He's not great at all and there were plenty of other CBs that went later that are better. Elam was the top CB on their board at the time, so obviously their board was wrong. That said, a lot of people got Elam wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Norman dressing to play special teams and zero defensive snaps tells you all you need to know about Elam. He's gone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 19 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: Hopefully they land Surtain, or at the very least Donte Jackson from Carolina at CB, and then maybe they can swing a deal for Renfrow? I feel like his and Knox’s contract are basically they same $, Idk how the guarantees affect deals, but cap #’s are very similar for the two. Renfrow definitely not worth the money! He’s also not the same player anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, damj said: I'll give credit where credit is due. Norman did look good last night on special teams At least two tackles. The first one was important because that return looked like it might result in a big play. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 hours ago, NewEra said: We have no clue where he was making it to. We all thought Tariq woolen was a sure to 3 round guy. At least rd 4…..right? Drafted rd 5. We have no clue. Pure speculation based on predraft hype True, but Woolen came from a small school, harder to tell where they will go. So you’re right, he could have gone anywhere, but he was more likely going late first to early 2nd based was all I was saying. He wasn’t a teach based on expected draft slot. Easy to call it that now, but on draft night he wasn’t considered a reach is my only point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, dorquemada said: quoting myself for posterity's sake, but did Norman actually make a play on Special Teams? Looked like his old self for that yes, and one of them was really important. could have been a huge return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 hours ago, damj said: I'll give credit where credit is due. Norman did look good last night on special teams Pretty hard to look bad when it’s a no thought play where you aren’t relying on a plethora on things on top of fluidity. Stay in your lane. Worry about 1 guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: True, but Woolen came from a small school, harder to tell where they will go. So you’re right, he could have gone anywhere, but he was more likely going late first to early 2nd based was all I was saying. He wasn’t a teach based on expected draft slot. Easy to call it that now, but on draft night he wasn’t considered a reach is my only point. “A reach” is subjective on who you talk to. I thought he was considered a reach 💯 I was furious with the pick. The only reason I was somewhat on board with the pick was I because I was hoping we’d start being more multiple on defense and mix in more man and press. He was coming off a poor season at Florida in which he was very handsy and was poor in run support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said: Maybe, maybe not. That’s the point, the book isn’t written yet. For whatever reason you’re comfortable speaking in absolutes. This. It ain't written yet. He could still be really good in Buffalo. Or not. Remember last year and last off-season, when Bernard was a massive miss? And when Epenesa was a bust. Anyone with any kind of memory for the overstatements, oversimplifications and early conclusions on here could go on and on and on. And on. 1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said: Maybe, maybe not. That’s the point, the book isn’t written yet. For whatever reason you’re comfortable speaking in absolutes. 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Sure, why not…😉 Makes you more likely to be wrong. That's the reason. I see the wink, but ... Edited October 27, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 20 hours ago, NewEra said: But we have no idea how he was handled. Pure speculation. No other teams would play Benford and Jackson over Elam? Get a grip. You’re about to drive off the edge with this nonsense. Benford is pretty good. Jackson has been improving season after season. Both are great tacklers. Elam was a press man corner that sucked at tackling. He’s always had problems being too handsy. If we didn’t reach for him, he may have been a 3rd rd pick. His upside is in his physical ability and that’s all. He has an opportunity vs Jax and was able to get smoked on every 3rd down he was targeted Um, yeah, it's very true that we don't really know where guys were for sure or where they would have been drafted. But there's no particular reason to think Elam would have fallen far. He was #29 on PFF's big board. TheAthletic do a consensus Big Board each year combining the Big Boards of 82 top evaluators, which generally does better than nearly all individual experts. https://theathletic.com/3262402/2022/04/26/nfl-draft-consensus-big-board/ Elam was listed 30th. This doesn't prove he wouldn't have made it into the 3rd round. It does make it as likely as it could be that he would not have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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