Terrel Bernard named AFC Defensive Player of the Week

[HoofHearted]

3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

That’s fair, but with a guy his size and speed you would expect/hope he’d toss that smaller player aside and at least affect the QB. I’ve seen numerous LBs go head up with a RB and the RB gets bowled over. I had never seen one sprinting to the LoS just to get stoned by a RB and then “that’s it.” No fight or hustle through the block, just acceptance that the back was there. It was wild to me.

You're taught to compress the back into the QB, if you get stalemated you're taught to be a low box player and essentially maintain the LoS so that if the QB steps up into the pocket you can work an escape to compress it at that point.

12 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I disagree. The Commanders motioned into Shotgun split on multiple plays. Bernard was able to recognize this particular direction due to Milano being the Mike.
 

Again, everything to do with the motion and where the bubble was.

[Brand J]

Just now, HoofHearted said:

You're taught to compress the back into the QB, if you get stalemated you're taught to be a low box player and essentially maintain the LoS so that if the QB steps up into the pocket you can work an escape to compress it at that point.

The stalemated point is definitely what happened, he just stayed on the LoS with his hands on the back. There was no attempt to compress the back into the QB. Once he found there was a player in his way his sprint came to a full stop. Like I said, I was surprised because when I saw the RB step up I fully expected Tremaine to truck him, push him back, toss him aside, something! I didn’t expect an “oh well, I tried but he’s in the way” sort of give up. Luckily Ed Oliver (IIRC) got the sack on the play otherwise it would’ve incensed me even more 😂

[HoofHearted]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

The stalemated point is definitely what happened, he just stayed on the LoS with his hands on the back. There was no attempt to compress the back into the QB. Once he found there was a player in his way his sprint came to a full stop. Like I said, I was surprised because when I saw the RB step up I fully expected Tremaine to truck him, push him back, toss him aside, something! I didn’t expect an “oh well, I tried but he’s in the way” sort of give up. Luckily Ed Oliver (IIRC) got the sack on the play otherwise it would’ve incensed me even more 😂

His height was his biggest disadvantage in those situations. Those backs won the leverage battle more often than not because he had no bend and consistently played high.

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Waste of a draft pick tho

He could've been had in the 6th. 😄

[HurlyBurly51]

Congrats!  Well deserved.  Keep up the good work!

[Einstein]

21 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Again, everything to do with the motion and where the bubble was.

Again, I believe you are wrong. Cover 1 does as well.

[HoofHearted]

Just now, Einstein said:

Again, I believe you are wrong. Cover 1 does as well.

Cover 1 does a good job of regurgitating football terms - not sure how much football they actually know though. 😉

[Einstein]

33 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

The Commies got most of their rushing yards after they were trailing big and our defense was concerned with the pass (a la Green Bay last year). 

Bienemy appears to think he still has Mahomes. He called a run play only 4 or 5 times in the first half.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

I mean they are being used differently. We played a way more 2 under Frazier where Edmunds was a true zone Tampa 2 dropper. This year under McDermott we're primarily playing 1 and 3 with a little 6 rolled in and we're pattern matching more than we ever have in the past (playing more man principles out of our zone coverages).

Leslie Frazier used tons of pattern matching also

 

Probably top in the league The last 5 years.. when McDermott and Frasier got here our defense was heavy cover 3 with matching

Edited September 27, 2023 by Buffalo716

[HoofHearted]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Leslie Frazier used tons of pattern matching also

 

Probably top in the league The last 5 years

When they ran quarters, sure. They played far more 2/Tampa than anything else though.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

When they ran quarters, sure. They played far more 2/Tampa than anything else though.

The defense morphed a lot with Frasier over 6 years.. after teams adjusted to how they played them

 

It started as a heavy cover 3 with pattern matching

 

That it morphed to a combo coverages 

 

Then it turned into a deep tempa 2.. with cover one on third down

 

There was like a 6 year morph based on how offenses played us ... By the end of the morph , bills also really liked cover one on third down

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Buffalo716

[RobbRiddick]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

He was a 3rd round draft pick...

 

Oh ***** yeah, I thought he was 4th!

 

Okay, we can alternate the 3rd each year, offense, then defense

[HoofHearted]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The defense morphed a lot with Frasier over 6 years.. after teams adjusted to how they played them

 

It started as a heavy cover 3 with pattern matching

 

That it morphed to a combo coverages 

 

Then it turned into a deep tempa 2.. with cover one on third down

 

There was like a 6 year morph based on how offenses played us ... By the end cover one on third down was the team's favorite

Sure. I've specifically been comparing last year to this year with the Edmunds/Bernard comparisons.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

 

The Bills had pretty much a top 5 defense during Edmunds tenure. So its hard to say he was misused, just differently. Why would the Bills feel the need to change that if it was working? Now with a change to Bernard they are adjusting to what will make the D most successful, which has been much more blitzing Bernard and putting Bernard in better position for these types of plays. 

 

Also people have such short term memories. Last season first three games vs this season were much tougher yet the D possibly played even better...just look at the QB's last year vs this year. 

 

2022

LAR - 10 points and 240 yards with 7 sacks and 3 turnovers to Stafford

TEN - 7 points and 187 yards with 2 sacks and 4 turnovers to Tannehill 

MIA - 21 points and 212 yards with 2 sacks and 0 turnovers to Tua

 

2023

NYJ - 22 points and 289 yards with 3 sacks and 1 turnover to Zach Wilson

LAV - 10 points and 240 yards with 0 sacks and 3 turnovers to Jimmy G

WAS - 3 points and 230 yards with 9 sacks and 5 turnovers to Sam Howell

 

It was actually 16 points.

[Success]

Elam is the only guy preventing that draft from being a total home run.

 

But I don't want to hot take that one.  He clearly has talent - he may end up starting here, or being a good trade piece, so the evaluation on that is still pending.

 

[BuffaloTX]

Not every MLB is born equal. Bernard has a nose for the ball while Edmunds just has a big nose.

[TFBillsfan]

Congratulations young man! Keep crushing it! I owe you a sincere apology as I questioned your draft pick and your ability to play LB. It wasn’t personal but I was wrong on so many levels. It’s great to be wrong on this. Stay healthy and keep bringing it!

 

LETS GO BUFFALO!

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

The defense morphed a lot with Frasier over 6 years.. after teams adjusted to how they played them

 

It started as a heavy cover 3 with pattern matching

 

That it morphed to a combo coverages 

 

Then it turned into a deep tempa 2.. with cover one on third down

 

There was like a 6 year morph based on how offenses played us ... By the end of the morph , bills also really liked cover one on third down

 

 

 

Frasier was the one who designed to defense to neutralize MVP Lamar Jackson in playoffs which was copied by other teams who had the personnel following year.

 

Frasier was a good DC who could not seem to solve puzzle of some teams and was well liked by players who he took the hits for their mistakes.

 

 

[0017]

Is it too early to start thinking nicknames? I was thinking about “the gaurd dog” because of the way he attacks. then I thought what about “the Bernard dog” Any thoughts? 

Edited September 27, 2023 by 0017

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

Frasier was the one who designed to defense to neutralize MVP Lamar Jackson in playoffs which was copied by other teams who had the personnel following year.

 

Frasier was a good DC who could not seem to solve puzzle of some teams and was well liked by players who he took the hits for their mistakes.

 

 

Certainly a better man than defensive coordinator. Class act and well respected.

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, 0017 said:

Is it too early to start thinking nicknames? I was thinking about “the gaurd dog” because of the way he attacks. then I thought what about “the Bernard dog” Any thoughts? 

I was thinking just "Bernard" would do.

[Brand J]

7 minutes ago, 0017 said:

Is it too early to start thinking nicknames? I was thinking about “the gaurd dog” because of the way he attacks. then I thought what about “the Bernard dog” Any thoughts? 

TB43, has a Terminator ring to it.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, BuffaloTX said:

Not every MLB is born equal. Bernard has a nose for the ball while Edmunds just has a big nose.

I lol’d 🤣 

[JustAnotherBillsFan]

Barnyard - because he is an animal out there?

Edited September 27, 2023 by JustAnotherBillsFan

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

No surprise. Well deserved. 

It’s actually a huge surprise, considering him so many of us thought that he was a draft bust
 

Changes the whole complexion of Brandon beans drafting

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

TB43, has a Terminator ring to it.

He’s too small to have a nickname like this. I’m thinking the mighty Chihuahua.

 

what other small, but feisty dog can we insert here?

[Meatloaf63]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

For comparison:

 

Bernard first 3 games: 2 INTs, 2 Sacks, 1 FR

 

Edmunds last 45 games: 3 INTS, 2 Sacks, 0 FR

 

That’s a big wow 😮 

[Goin Breakdown]

59 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

It’s actually a huge surprise, considering him so many of us thought that he was a draft bust
 

Changes the whole complexion of Brandon beans drafting

He’s too small to have a nickname like this. I’m thinking the mighty Chihuahua.

 

what other small, but feisty dog can we insert here?

Well in the grand scheme yes but im talking based on  watching his play on Sunday only, but yeah you're correct. 

[WideNine]

7 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Whats funny is that I see Bills fans, not here but elsewhere, saying Bernard plays in a different defense than Tremaine. Saying Edmunds should’ve been used the way Bernard is used. And people wonder why the Edmunds threads won’t die, it’s constant conversation. 

 

Very high draft pick with "adequate" results. I think OBD would have stuck with it as long as it took to justify that pick, but sometimes change is good.

 

A lot of folks were high on Edmunds coming out of the draft and his physical skills presented a lot of potential upside and he was a decent player for us that filled a need so no shame.

 

His performance at MLB was a popular debate when he was here (lack of impact plays) and no surprise that it goes on when we have someone else in the same role now for comparison.

 

I don't believe we are playing a different defensive scheme although I am sure Sean has his own wrinkles and tendencies, but we probably do have the best defensive line we have ever had under McDermott... remember overpaying and being stuck with the Star contract.

 

That DL (especially our tackles) help keep our LBs clean so that really is a factor in how well they play.

 

Is it enough of a factor to justify the drought of impact plays for Edmunds over that many games... folks can come up with their own conclusions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

For comparison:

 

Bernard first 3 games: 2 INTs, 2 Sacks, 1 FR

 

Edmunds last 45 games: 3 INTS, 2 Sacks, 0 FR

 

Wow 😯 those stats are astounding

[machine gun kelly]

Well deserved honor.  Allen week 2, and week 3 Bernard.

 

But, but we suck, McD sucks, Beane, sucks, bla, bla, bla.

 

So if we win Sunday, are all the fake Bills, actual, Jets, Miami, Patriots fans going to just go away.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Glad I got to hand you your 50th Lombardi, OP! 🙌

[ROCBillsBeliever]

7 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

All great points. I just can’t get on board with the sentiment that Bernard has these stats and Edmunds didn’t simply because Edmunds wasn’t being used in the same way Bernard is being used. That would imply Edmunds was misused and that the Bills defensive scheme was at fault for his lack of big time plays, not the player himself. How many times have we said “almost” about a play Tremaine could have made but didn’t? 

 

And yours is a good point, too, but we're also seeing Bernard succeed under McDermott's design, rather than Frazier's. What would be intriguing (though impossible) to see would be a sample set of Bernard's usage under Frazier and Edmunds' usage under McDermott. We would have a more full and accurate picture of how both are truly being used.

[HappyDays]

If he pans out as well as it's looked so far, Dave Aranda will be 2 for 2 on his draft recommendations to McDermott. First Tre White, now Terrell Bernard. To the point that if I were McDermott I would inherently trust his draft advice from now on.

[3rdand12]

9 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Definitely something I never seen coming.....congrats Terrell!

Includes most of Us !

 Absolutely Delighted for him 👍

 And we Bills Fans as well 😏

[Behindenemylines]

Great award for this young guy.  So glad he was recognized 

[Fan in Chicago]

4 hours ago, 0017 said:

Is it too early to start thinking nicknames? I was thinking about “the gaurd dog” because of the way he attacks. then I thought what about “the Bernard dog” Any thoughts? 

Going with your canine theme, how about St Bernard?

 

[3rdand12]

How about we just hold on a minute ?

and call him

# 43 on the defense ?

 

Looking forward to watching this kid grow !

 Miami is coming up.

Go Bills

[Comebackkid]

8 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Honorable mention: Sam Howell 

Crazy the amount of hype around Sam pre game.  

[3rdand12]

44 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

And yours is a good point, too, but we're also seeing Bernard succeed under McDermott's design, rather than Frazier's. What would be intriguing (though impossible) to see would be a sample set of Bernard's usage under Frazier and Edmunds' usage under McDermott. We would have a more full and accurate picture of how both are truly being used.

This is good insight and thought process
I am going to vote McD is the key

But thats not to take Anything away from individual successes last week from multiple players. Like almost all of the defense lol 

Go Bills

 squish the fish

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Well deserved honor.  Allen week 2, and week 3 Bernard.

 

But, but we suck, McD sucks, Beane, sucks, bla, bla, bla.

 

So if we win Sunday, are all the fake Bills, actual, Jets, Miami, Patriots fans going to just go away.

 

Some Bills fans claim Bills suck so much they they would be happier being Fish Fans; to get even more fans Mijami should change mascot to sucker fish.