Week 3: Buffalo (-6.5) at Washington

[eball]

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Actually part of throwing through the wind is getting the ball to the WR.  The faster it's going, the tighter the spiral, the less wind affects it.

 

Interestingly, I heard Josh talk about throwing in very windy conditions, and he said the wind affected the ball more when he was throwing WITH the wind, than when he was throwing INTO the wind.  He gave some details about why that was which I don't recall.

 

 

It makes sense to me.  Throwing with the wind the ball can “float” or sail…into the wind you’re cutting through it.

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

7 hours ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:

I'm curious, does anyone know McDermott's record on grass compared to turf?

 

I am also wondering how the offense has fared on this point. Any football stat gurus out there?

 

Washington plays on grass, right?

Bermuda grass

 

Other stadiums that use the same type of Bermuda grass are the Chiefs’ Arrowhead Stadium, and Dolphins’ Hard Rock Stadium. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tennessee Titans and Washington Commanders have also cultivated the same grass surface in all three stadiums, Raymond James Stadium, Nissan Stadium and FedExField.

[Since1981]

People just don’t realize that upstate has a sh#t ton of weather. I am here in VA and this Tropical Storm is light sprinkles and 8mph. Any given Saturday in Apr May Nov in Buffalo. Yes, ocean front…but 99% elsewhere is fine and better than Erie County

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

SB Nation Reacts: A Dorsey of a different color finds approval with Bills Mafia

buffalorumblings.com

 

 

Perhaps unfairly, Buffalo Bills (-6.5)offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey has found himself at the center of criticism concerning the team’s offensive production. As a first-time OC during the 2022 NFL season, Dorsey put together an impressive playbook that many believed borrowed heavily from Brian Daboll.

 

Buffalo’s offense finished fourth overall last season, yet a large group of fans disapproved of Dorsey, and the idea of moving forward with him — that he was part of a concern the team was wasting quarterback Josh Allen’s best years.

 

Allen under Daboll in 2021:

409-of-646 (63.3%) for 4,407 yards (259.2 ypg). 6.8 yards per attempt

36TDs (5.6 TD%), 16 INTs (2.3 INT%)

QB rating 92.2, QBR 60.7

Allen under Dorsey in 2022

359-of-567 (63.3%), for 4,283 yards (267.2 ypg). 7.6 yards per attempt

35 TDs (6.2 TD%), 15 INTs (2.5 INT%)

QB rating 96.6, QBR 73.4

 

 

 

[The Wiz]

14 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

SB Nation Reacts: A Dorsey of a different color finds approval with Bills Mafia

buffalorumblings.com

 

 

Perhaps unfairly, Buffalo Bills (-6.5)offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey has found himself at the center of criticism concerning the team’s offensive production. As a first-time OC during the 2022 NFL season, Dorsey put together an impressive playbook that many believed borrowed heavily from Brian Daboll.

 

Buffalo’s offense finished fourth overall last season, yet a large group of fans disapproved of Dorsey, and the idea of moving forward with him — that he was part of a concern the team was wasting quarterback Josh Allen’s best years.

 

Allen under Daboll in 2021:

409-of-646 (63.3%) for 4,407 yards (259.2 ypg). 6.8 yards per attempt

36TDs (5.6 TD%), 16 INTs (2.3 INT%)

QB rating 92.2, QBR 60.7

Allen under Dorsey in 2022

359-of-567 (63.3%), for 4,283 yards (267.2 ypg). 7.6 yards per attempt

35 TDs (6.2 TD%), 15 INTs (2.5 INT%)

QB rating 96.6, QBR 73.4

 

 

 

You know those 4% of fans that have D and F are probably regular posters here.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Don't care too much about the wind. Would prefer no rain. But Bills oline probably has a better chance run blocking against their Dline than pass blocking. 

This would be a perfect week for 175 yards passing and our backs combining for 200 yards rushing.

Let Gilliam earn his roster spot this week. Use an extra OT for heavy sets. Let's not pretend Knox or Kincaid are even average blockers. Pound the rock early and often.

[Mynamemike]

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Don't care too much about the wind. Would prefer no rain. But Bills oline probably has a better chance run blocking against their Dline than pass blocking. 

This would be a perfect week for 175 yards passing and our backs combining for 200 yards rushing.

Let Gilliam earn his roster spot this week. Use an extra OT for heavy sets. Let's not pretend Knox or Kincaid are even average blockers. Pound the rock early and often.

After last week’s performance I feel pretty good about playing in bad weather. I feel like our three headed monster in the backfield was formed for games like this.  Good game to get some designed runs for Josh mixed in as well. 

[eball]

44 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Don't care too much about the wind. Would prefer no rain. But Bills oline probably has a better chance run blocking against their Dline than pass blocking. 

This would be a perfect week for 175 yards passing and our backs combining for 200 yards rushing.

Let Gilliam earn his roster spot this week. Use an extra OT for heavy sets. Let's not pretend Knox or Kincaid are even average blockers. Pound the rock early and often.

 

Knox is an excellent blocker.  But I agree with the game plan.  I think the Bills’ D will keep Washington from putting up a ton of points.

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

SB Nation Reacts: A Dorsey of a different color finds approval with Bills Mafia

buffalorumblings.com

 

 

Perhaps unfairly, Buffalo Bills (-6.5)offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey has found himself at the center of criticism concerning the team’s offensive production. As a first-time OC during the 2022 NFL season, Dorsey put together an impressive playbook that many believed borrowed heavily from Brian Daboll.

 

Buffalo’s offense finished fourth overall last season, yet a large group of fans disapproved of Dorsey, and the idea of moving forward with him — that he was part of a concern the team was wasting quarterback Josh Allen’s best years.

 

Allen under Daboll in 2021:

409-of-646 (63.3%) for 4,407 yards (259.2 ypg). 6.8 yards per attempt

36TDs (5.6 TD%), 16 INTs (2.3 INT%)

QB rating 92.2, QBR 60.7

Allen under Dorsey in 2022

359-of-567 (63.3%), for 4,283 yards (267.2 ypg). 7.6 yards per attempt

35 TDs (6.2 TD%), 15 INTs (2.5 INT%)

QB rating 96.6, QBR 73.4

 

 

 

 

This is almost deserving of its own thread... or the resurrection of an earlier Dorsey thread.

 

Bottom line, many people make judgements and then have difficulty changing their minds.

 

It's often the case that accomplished professionals change and grow but the perception of them doesn't.

 

[BearNorth]

Looking at WTF Snap counts, seems like they play a lot of dime.  3 CB's and 3 Safeties are in their top 11 defensive snap counts.

 

Wonder how Dorsey will attack that.  Seems they want to pressure the passer and blanket the receivers.  Big question is can we run against that front?

[The Wiz]

24 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Looking at WTF Snap counts, seems like they play a lot of dime.  3 CB's and 3 Safeties are in their top 11 defensive snap counts.

 

Wonder how Dorsey will attack that.  Seems they want to pressure the passer and blanket the receivers.  Big question is can we run against that front?

From what Cosell said on OBL, I believe they normally run a big nickel.

Edited September 23, 2023 by The Wiz

[frostbitmic]

The Redskin/WTF/Commando's have some good weapons at RB and WR but a 2nd year QB. I think getting after him early and often and getting him to make mistakes will be what McD tries to do.

 

On Defense they have a great line, a lack of LBs and play a heavy nickle or dime (much like us) ... Our Offense shouldn't find much different from what they practice against daily.

 

In good weather i see the Bills winning by two + scores, if the weather is bad I see a close lower scored game with neither team scoring 20 points. Looking forward to Kyle Allen running the victory formation tomorrow.

[JaCrispy]

I think the Bills will win, but when I go to the casino tonight, I will likely put money on the Commanders, and take the points…I predict a low, one score difference game, in bad weather- similar to the Ravens game last year…👍

 

 

 

 

Edited September 23, 2023 by JaCrispy

[Rubes]

51 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Looking at WTF Snap counts, seems like they play a lot of dime.  3 CB's and 3 Safeties are in their top 11 defensive snap counts.

 

Wonder how Dorsey will attack that.  Seems they want to pressure the passer and blanket the receivers.  Big question is can we run against that front?

I would expect to see a lot of action in the short passing game, too, especially to the backs and TEs. Neutralize the rush, attack the short middle of the field. Run it when the line starts looking for the quick pass.

 

Weather right now looking like rain but not a lot of wind.

 

[Rockinon]

Josh is going to continue to work those short area passes, getting the ball out quick and really frustrating the Washington defense. The difference between Wash and NYJ is they don't have as talented defensive backs. Feeling pretty confident that Josh is going to carve them up.

 

I like their QB. He's showing some promise but now he's going up against a really good defense. Bills are going to win this game handily.

[Since1981]

Repeat 2H ravens game 2022

same conditions. Same result!

[Rockinon]

7 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I think the Bills will win, but when I go to the casino tonight, I will likely put money on the Commanders, and take the points…I predict a low, one score difference game, in bad weather…

Your going to lose that bet.

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

This is almost deserving of its own thread... or the resurrection of an earlier Dorsey thread.

 

Bottom line, many people make judgements and then have difficulty changing their minds.

 

It's often the case that accomplished professionals change and grow but the perception of them doesn't.

 

Excellent post!

 

The Dorsey haters won’t look at facts.  13-3, almost the same production out of Allen, Allen playing through an injured elbow.

 

We destroyed the Raiders.  I expect us to beat the spread against the Redskins.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

You know those 4% of fans that have D and F are probably regular posters here.

And they all voted 10 times

[JaCrispy]

10 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

Your going to lose that bet.

That’s why they play the game…we shall see…👍

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Ron Rivera Says Commanders Are 'Ready To Go' vs. 'Elite' Bills

si.com

 

 

Commanders head coach Ron Rivera noted the task at hand in facing the Bills and the magnitude of facing a team of their caliber. 

 

“Pretty big. To me, I mean, it really is," Rivera said. "They're one of the elite teams in the AFC. I know they're 1-1, but records don't mean anything in this situation. This is one of the elite teams coming in and we've got to gear up, we've got to practice, prepare, get ourselves ready to go, and give us a great opportunity to see where we stand.”

 

The Commanders have shown signs of turning the corner through their first two games of the season after coming back in the second half to beat the Arizona Cardinals 20-16 on Sept. 10 and the Denver Broncos 35-33 on Sunday. Sam Howell had the best performance of his young career, completing 27 of 39 passes for 299 yards and two touchdowns. Brian Robinson Jr. also broke out in a big way against the Broncos with a career-high 129 total yards and two rushing touchdowns. 

 

“I think it's an opportunity for us to establish who we are and who we can be," Rivera said. "This is a very good measuring stick. What they've done for the last four or five years, especially with the young quarterback [Josh Allen] now he's coming into his own."

[MJS]

3 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

SB Nation Reacts: A Dorsey of a different color finds approval with Bills Mafia

buffalorumblings.com

 

 

Perhaps unfairly, Buffalo Bills (-6.5)offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey has found himself at the center of criticism concerning the team’s offensive production. As a first-time OC during the 2022 NFL season, Dorsey put together an impressive playbook that many believed borrowed heavily from Brian Daboll.

 

Buffalo’s offense finished fourth overall last season, yet a large group of fans disapproved of Dorsey, and the idea of moving forward with him — that he was part of a concern the team was wasting quarterback Josh Allen’s best years.

 

Allen under Daboll in 2021:

409-of-646 (63.3%) for 4,407 yards (259.2 ypg). 6.8 yards per attempt

36TDs (5.6 TD%), 16 INTs (2.3 INT%)

QB rating 92.2, QBR 60.7

Allen under Dorsey in 2022

359-of-567 (63.3%), for 4,283 yards (267.2 ypg). 7.6 yards per attempt

35 TDs (6.2 TD%), 15 INTs (2.5 INT%)

QB rating 96.6, QBR 73.4

 

 

 

Grading Ken Dorsey? What are fans basing those grades on? Fans are clueless when it comes to evaluating a coordinator. Stupid poll.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

This is almost deserving of its own thread... or the resurrection of an earlier Dorsey thread.

 

Bottom line, many people make judgements and then have difficulty changing their minds.

 

It's often the case that accomplished professionals change and grow but the perception of them doesn't.

 

The problem with those stats though:

 

Dorsey peaked in September last year , and the offence seemed to get worse as the season went on.

 

Daboll and Josh peaked in January when it mattered most.

 

I for one think Dorsey is “ok” and I’m not calling for his head.

But the next big step for him is to show he can execute a high flying offence against good DCs when it matters most. (January)

[CSBill]

15 hours ago, Lost said:

 

James Cook has more footing issues than any other Bills player.  Hopefully we utilize the other backs a good share again this game if conditions are sloppy.

This could be a L. Murray game. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[Scott7975]

13 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Zierlein in his draft profile called it "average arm strength" and said he muscles balls.  Of course he could have improved since 2022.

I can’t remember where I heard it. I think it was Greg Cosell

[zow2]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I think the Bills will win, but when I go to the casino tonight, I will likely put money on the Commanders, and take the points…I predict a low, one score difference game, in bad weather- similar to the Ravens game last year…👍

 

 

 

 

 

I did something similar for the opener.  I was nervous so I placed an emotional hedge bet.  I was basically willing to pay $100 for a Bills victory.  So I put $100 on the underdog Jets straight up to win.  I was pissed about the loss, but in the end that gut punch loss on MNF infused some good $ into my Bet MGM account for the next few weeks. I'm not doing this for the Commanders game.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

 

 

Edited September 23, 2023 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Warcodered]

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[Scott7975]

 

I hate when it gets blocked unless you goto YouTube.  It's the NFL.com week 3 preview of our game.  Only a few minutes long. 

[Shemp]

I like that the Bills started Murray last game. He presents a whole different problem than the one  Cook does. It also keeps the other team guessing what's going to happen going forward. Again, if there's a lot of rain, and I think there will be, the power running game is going to be important. 

[BillsFan130]

12 minutes ago, Shemp said:

I like that the Bills started Murray last game. He presents a whole different problem than the one  Cook does. It also keeps the other team guessing what's going to happen going forward. Again, if there's a lot of rain, and I think there will be, the power running game is going to be important. 

I think cook got the first series.

Then they went to Murray for the 2nd and 3rd series I believe?

 

Then they went back to Cook for the most part

[Rockinon]

Depends on how wet the field is. Guys like Cook can break ankles the way he can cut and accelerate on a dry field. On a wet field the bigger backs can just hit there gap and power through. Don't discount passes to the backs either. Going to be a fun game to watch. I think Josh is up to the challenge and he's built some confidence with those quick passes. The Bills will be looking to take away the strength of that Washington defense which is their Dline.

 

I still think Cook gets the lions share of the snaps. He's been pretty good so far. He could do well if he doesn't loose his footing on a wet field. He's earned it.

[zow2]

The Bills charter plane landed shortly after 3.  It was scheduled for BWI but saw on the flight radar app it ended up landing at Dulles Airport out in Virginia.  I imagine weather had something to do with that.  Dulles is more of a hike to FedEx field than from BWI but both are pretty far out.  maybe the team is staying in DC where the nice hotels are.

[HOUSE]

https://www.foxweather.com/lifestyle/nfl-football-ravens-colts-bills-commanders-jets-patriots

[jethro_tull]

The tropical storm is going to be dead center at game time.  Heavy rain, 40mph gusts.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]