PromoTheRobot Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) It's better than the automatic 25-yard line stuff now. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-considers-alternatives-to-the-kickoff-including-the-xfl-model Edited August 3, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Dear NFL, You had it right to begin with.. Stop messing with stuff. Love, Everyone Edited August 3, 2023 by thenorthremembers 18 1 10 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Imo, it brings excitement back to a play thats become mostly a bore. We can say 'they had it right' and be ignorant to player health and the reasons as to why it changed -OR- we can just accept that with time things change and try to find an exciting new solution. This is the best Ive personally seen yet. It doesn't make it a non-play and it doesn't eliminate it from the current game either. Its a solution that mimicks the original in both excitment and the ability to flip a game. The caveat is, man... it wld be annoying to give up multiple TDs a game bc the new version of a coverage crew is terrible. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: It's better than the automatic 25-yard line stuff now. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-considers-alternatives-to-the-kickoff-including-the-xfl-model I like this more than any other alternative I've heard of 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Did they approve the fair catch rule? If so this a much better alternative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I would be in favor of adapting a few things from the XFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 They should go with the original XFL possession scramble too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: It's better than the automatic 25-yard line stuff now. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-considers-alternatives-to-the-kickoff-including-the-xfl-model Big if true but if Florio is the source I’m skeptical. The guy is hated as much inside the league as he is by his readers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I'm not familiar with the XFL. So the onside kick goes away? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I don’t like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Hard pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 easy onside kick recovery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: Hard pass Josh Allen #17 is noted for having one. If the Bills win the coin flip, it is their option to select an opposing receiver (WR, TE, or RB) to catch a Josh Allen rocket. 😁 Edited August 3, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Herc11 said: I'm not familiar with the XFL. So the onside kick goes away? Good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Herc11 said: I'm not familiar with the XFL. So the onside kick goes away? 1 hour ago, CSBill said: Good question. Onside kick stays, but you can only tag the ball carrier while yelling "All-y all-y in free!" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Not a big deal to me either way. About 80% to 90% of kickoffs go into the endzone anyway and the receiving team just starts at the 25. Edited August 3, 2023 by Gregg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 File this under “Mike Florio says NFL is considering expanding to 40 teams” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, gobills1212 said: Imo, it brings excitement back to a play thats become mostly a bore. We can say 'they had it right' and be ignorant to player health and the reasons as to why it changed -OR- we can just accept that with time things change and try to find an exciting new solution. This is the best Ive personally seen yet. It doesn't make it a non-play and it doesn't eliminate it from the current game either. Its a solution that mimicks the original in both excitment and the ability to flip a game. The caveat is, man... it wld be annoying to give up multiple TDs a game bc the new version of a coverage crew is terrible. Best part is no touchbacks or fair catches. 8 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I would be in favor of adapting a few things from the XFL. Like open access to video replay and officials conversations. 7 hours ago, Herc11 said: I'm not familiar with the XFL. So the onside kick goes away? In the XFL the onside kick is replaced by converting a 4th and 15 from your own 25. 3 hours ago, unbillievable said: easy onside kick recovery! See above. Edited August 3, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 Another interesting rule difference in the XFL is extra points. No more kicking for one. You have to score a TD from 2 yards out for 1 point, 5 yards for 2, or from 10 yards for 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 The XFL is a great example for the NFL, that's why every game is sold out 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Me: I'm considering kicking off Florio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Just eliminate the kickoff and start at the 25 like the AAF did. You can have a fourth and 15 play if need be for onside kicks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 13 hours ago, gobills1212 said: Imo, it brings excitement back to a play thats become mostly a bore. We can say 'they had it right' and be ignorant to player health and the reasons as to why it changed -OR- we can just accept that with time things change and try to find an exciting new solution. This is the best Ive personally seen yet. It doesn't make it a non-play and it doesn't eliminate it from the current game either. Its a solution that mimicks the original in both excitment and the ability to flip a game. The caveat is, man... it wld be annoying to give up multiple TDs a game bc the new version of a coverage crew is terrible. Get of my lawn! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Another interesting rule difference in the XFL is extra points. No more kicking for one. You have to score a TD from 2 yards out for 1 point, 5 yards for 2, or from 10 yards for 3. Ridiculous. Too gimmicky. But this kickoff one, with a 4th and 15 at the 25 to replace onside kicks... interesting. Anyway, if the XFL has been doing this for a full season, everyone can see if it makes sense or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: But this kickoff one, with a 4th and 15 at the 25 to replace onside kicks... interesting. Anyway, if the XFL has been doing this for a full season, everyone can see if it makes sense or not. Hate, hate and hate some more on this idea. "Defensive holding, defense. 5 yard penalty... Automatic first down". Too easy, too frequent and too subjective. It's a Pandora's box. Did I mention that I hate this idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) It's better than not having the kickoff at all. Still, with the way it is now the kickoff is almost pointless. Every kick goes into the endzone and gets touched down. As far as the 1, 2, or 3 points after a TD, words cannot express how much I hate that idea. It cheapens the game, IMO. Edited August 3, 2023 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 How about just playing Madden on the Jumbotron for kickoffs? Cripes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 15 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: It's better than the automatic 25-yard line stuff now. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-considers-alternatives-to-the-kickoff-including-the-xfl-model I don't hate it. It would bring some excitement back to the kickoff and do so in a safer manner. It's better than the stuff we get now. Kickoff. Touchback. On the rare occasion ball is returned... penalty. The shorter run up would likely reduce penalty flags thrown as well. Problem I have seeing it implemented is two fold. First, this comes from Florio and I personally don't take anything he says at face value. Wouldn't shock me if this isn't even being discussed. Second, it would require the NFL to acknowledge that the XFL had a smarter idea. I don't see them doing that. They will come up with something based off this idea with a few tweeks that make it worse. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 38 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Dear NFL, You had it right to begin with.. Stop messing with stuff. Love, Everyone Kickoffs were the most dangerous play in the NFL, I think 30% of ACL injuries occurred on special teams plays despite ST snaps only being 18% of snaps and kick returns heavily part of that stat. I think doing the XFL rule is fine there is no reason to have such an overtly dangerous play when you can do it in a simpler safer manner that accomplishes the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Jerome007 said: Ridiculous. Too gimmicky. But this kickoff one, with a 4th and 15 at the 25 to replace onside kicks... interesting. Anyway, if the XFL has been doing this for a full season, everyone can see if it makes sense or not. Half the rules in the NFL were borrowed from college or other leagues, like the 2pt conversion. 2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: It's better than not having the kickoff at all. Still, with the way it is now the kickoff is almost pointless. Every kick goes into the endzone and gets touched down. As far as the 1, 2, or 3 points after a TD, words cannot express how much I hate that idea. It cheapens the game, IMO. We have 1 or 2 points after now. Why does 3 ruin it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 The kickoff is the perfect time to get rid of used beer and get new beer, food, a quick hitter etc ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Another interesting rule difference in the XFL is extra points. No more kicking for one. You have to score a TD from 2 yards out for 1 point, 5 yards for 2, or from 10 yards for 3. I think if that were adopted into the NFL most teams would just go for 2, not really much of a difference in earning 2 vs 5 yards. I do genuinely like the idea of an "action point" and a 3 point conversion. I just think you probably would have to adjust the yardage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I think if that were adopted into the NFL most teams would just go for 2, not really much of a difference in earning 2 vs 5 yards. I do genuinely like the idea of an "action point" and a 3 point conversion. I just think you probably would have to adjust the yardage. a 3pt conversion is from the 10. Oddly it was rarely used this year in the XFL. Frankly I could see the Bills with Allen making hay with a 3pt play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: a 3pt conversion is from the 10. Oddly it was rarely used this year in the XFL. Frankly I could see the Bills with Allen making hay with a 3pt play. If I were to design the rules for the NFL, I would set it up the following way A simple one-point conversion is from the two, similar to the current two-point conversion. A two-point conversion is moved back 5 yards and the snap is take from the 7 yard line. A three-point conversion is moved back an additional 10 yards and is taken from the 17-yard line. Even though a 3 point conversion would be insanely difficult it still would allow games to be within 1-2 scores a lot longer. Currently, a 17-point lead is a "three possession" lead. By adding the ability to get 18 points in two possessions you push back the "three possessions" lead to 19 points. I wouldn't even hate the idea of adding a 4-point conversion from the 30-yard line but that may be too "gimmicky". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Godell is hell bent on destroying the NFL as we know it, why! Go back to the original kick offs, geeze! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 18 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Dear NFL, You had it right to begin with.. Stop messing with stuff. Love, Everyone On June 24, 1922, the organization, now headquartered in Columbus, Ohio, changed its title a final time to the National Football League. You're right! Way back in the roaring twenties it was perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, LarryMadman said: Godell is hell bent on destroying the NFL as we know it, why! Go back to the original kick offs, geeze! Don't lose any sleep over that. 12 minutes ago, leonbus23 said: On June 24, 1922, the organization, now headquartered in Columbus, Ohio, changed its title a final time to the National Football League. You're right! Way back in the roaring twenties it was perfect. No forward pass. That's a gimmick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Another interesting rule difference in the XFL is extra points. No more kicking for one. You have to score a TD from 2 yards out for 1 point, 5 yards for 2, or from 10 yards for 3. So kicker is basically a wasted roster spot? 8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Another interesting rule difference in the XFL is extra points. No more kicking for one. You have to score a TD from 2 yards out for 1 point, 5 yards for 2, or from 10 yards for 3. So kicker is basically a wasted roster spot? 8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Another interesting rule difference in the XFL is extra points. No more kicking for one. You have to score a TD from 2 yards out for 1 point, 5 yards for 2, or from 10 yards for 3. So kicker is basically a wasted roster spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Herc11 said: So kicker is basically a wasted roster spot? No. They still kick field goals. And you have to kick off. Just no more kicked XPs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Delete the kickoff entirely. Give the ball to each team on the 20 yard line and play football. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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