John from Riverside Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) Groot von oliver floyd how about that Edited June 7, 2023 by John from Riverside 5 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I’ll take a bunch of 7th round picks if they get pressure when we need it most 1 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Groot von oliver floyd how about that Lawson was as well. 7 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Does Cowherd know this? 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Quite the investment 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Groot von oliver floyd how about that Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me. Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone. Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in the Bruce Smith years on defense? I don't recall that we did. I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Plus, you know, the guy we drafted in the first round. Shaq's career and perception among Bills fans is truly unique for an underwhelming Bills first round pick. 45 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Lawson was as well. Shane Ray too. Maybe we can pry Maybin away from his art career. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Plus, you know, the guy we drafted in the first round. Shaq's career and perception among Bills fans is truly unique for an underwhelming Bills first round pick. Shane Ray too. Maybe we can pry Maybin away from his art career. Nah, Maybin would have to bulk up again…, 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 And Ray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Groot von oliver floyd how about that I am saying it right now... This DL is going to over produce and go over expectations of others by the time this year is done (barring injuries) When that big body is going to be in on all this at DT? We will create matchup nightmares on any OL that is not a top 5 OL. Groot and Oliver take any kind of small step forward? oh boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Nah, Maybin would have to bulk up again…, 😂 nah...if he changes his name to Duke Williams and makes a comeback this board would have a volcanic erection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I recall that I mentioned something very similar in the midst of the drought years. In that season (they’re all a blur now) it was about the entire defense, not just the D Line. We all know it never amounted to very much. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Groot von oliver floyd how about that I think this years D is going to be a lot better on the field don't really care about the certain stats as far as where they rank but i think they will be getting after it & there will be a lot more pressure put on the opposing teams than what we have seen in the recent past ... GO BILLS !!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) Bills have had a lot of first rounders on the d line for a quite while. 2021 had five: Jerry Hughes Star Lotulelei Greg Rousseau Vernon Butler Ed Oliver 2020 had three: Jerry Hughes Vernon Butler Ed Oliver 2019 also had five: Jerry Hughes Ed Oliver Star Lotulelei Corey Liuget Shaq Lawson Edited June 7, 2023 by Billy Claude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Throw in Erik Flowers and we may have something here! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 14 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: I am saying it right now... This DL is going to over produce and go over expectations of others by the time this year is done (barring injuries) When that big body is going to be in on all this at DT? We will create matchup nightmares on any OL that is not a top 5 OL. Groot and Oliver take any kind of small step forward? oh boy Agreed. Stay healthy and our D will be a menace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 hours ago, T master said: I think this years D is going to be a lot better on the field don't really care about the certain stats as far as where they rank but i think they will be getting after it & there will be a lot more pressure put on the opposing teams than what we have seen in the recent past ... GO BILLS !!!! Is this based on anything other than willful optimism? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 16 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Groot von oliver floyd how about that means nothing if they get pantsed by the Bengals backup OL and Chiefs again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Is this based on anything other than willful optimism? Von Miller returning, adding Leonard floyd and Poona Ford. Hyde returning. Poyer being healthy. Tre being recovered. Elam and Benford with a years experience. Rousseau continuing to improve. but you be you 🧌 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Is this based on anything other than willful optimism? I think there is a big difference between Willful Optimism and just looking at things a cup half full, knowing what is ahead of us. What the Bills did this off season made me optimistic... and I am sure if we threw a poll up showing names, 75% of this board would be optimistic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Agreed. Stay healthy and our D will be a menace And I am expecting our offense to be improved and it already was very good. Our defense is gonna feast as the opponents won't have much choice but to pass and trying to keep up with the Allen's will cause major opponent discombobulations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 18 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me. Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone. Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in the Bruce Smith years on defense? I don't recall that we did. I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl. Art Still was the #2 pick in the draft 18 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me. Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone. Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in the Bruce Smith years on defense? I don't recall that we did. I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl. Smerlas and Hansen were second rounders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 19 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Groot von oliver floyd how about that Was Von Miller picked in the 90s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I'm glad others brought up Ray and Lawson. The former is equal to that San Diego linebacker who came here and did nothing several years ago. The latter equal to Chris Kelsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, boyst said: I'm glad others brought up Ray and Lawson. The former is equal to that San Diego linebacker who came here and did nothing several years ago. The latter equal to Chris Kelsey. Ok.. guess that’s why they are getting the minimum and are battling to make the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 19 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me. Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone. Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in the Bruce Smith years on defense? I don't recall that we did. I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl. LB Conlan, Jim Jeffcoat and Ted Washington were 1sts, Smerlas, Hansen were 2nds. Toss in Henry Jones was a 1st and the constant influx of CBs that were 1sts. Bruce has talent around him. Mind you the best pass rusher he played with Paup was a 6th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: LB Conlan, Jim Jeffcoat and Ted Washington were 1sts, Smerlas, Hansen were 2nds. Toss in Henry Jones was a 1st and the constant influx of CBs that were 1sts. Bruce has talent around him. Mind you the best pass rusher he played with Paup was a 6th. Well I know we had other 1st rounders on defense I meant on the dline with him. Edited June 7, 2023 by AuntieEm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, AuntieEm said: Well I know we had other 1st rounders on defense I meant on the dine with him. Jim Jeffcoat and Ted Washington are the only that come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Ok.. guess that’s why they are getting the minimum and are battling to make the team What do you mean? That Sean dude linebacker was terrible by the time he got here. Too small and beat up, just like ray. And then Chris Kelsey was always overpaid an underrated, well Lawson is underrated and underpaid. I was not insulting either one of them. Just the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, boyst said: I'm glad others brought up Ray and Lawson. The former is equal to that San Diego linebacker who came here and did nothing several years ago. The latter equal to Chris Kelsey. Shawne Merriman. Edited June 7, 2023 by AuntieEm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, boyst said: What do you mean? That Sean dude linebacker was terrible by the time he got here. Too small and beat up, just like ray. And then Chris Kelsey was always overpaid an underrated, well Lawson is underrated and underpaid. I was not insulting either one of them. Just the truth Well .. I’m confused now… are you comparing Kelsey to Lawson or not ?Your first post does and this one doesn’t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Well .. I’m confused now… are you comparing Kelsey to Lawson or not ?Your first post does and this one doesn’t? Yes. Lawson is Kelsey. Kelsey was overpaid and overvalued by our FO. But he was also underappreciated by our fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, boyst said: Yes. Lawson is Kelsey. Kelsey was overpaid and overvalued by our FO. But he was also underappreciated by our fanbase. Meh.. I wouldn’t appreciate overpaid and over valued players either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, The Jokeman said: LB Conlan, Jim Jeffcoat and Ted Washington were 1sts, Smerlas, Hansen were 2nds. Toss in Henry Jones was a 1st and the constant influx of CBs that were 1sts. Bruce has talent around him. Mind you the best pass rusher he played with Paup was a 6th. Better than Bennett you think? Bennett was a #2 overall pick and had a much longer track record of success than Paup, who only really had the one great year for the Bills. Edited June 8, 2023 by vincec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Well I know we had other 1st rounders on defense I meant on the dline with him. In a 3-4 defense, the OLBs are basically the same as Von Miller or Hughes are/were in the 4-3. Bennett-Still-Smerlas-Smith-Talley … a #1 overall, two #2 overalls, and two 2nd round picks. A lot of investment, and for my money, the best defensive front the Bills have ever had. Edited June 8, 2023 by vincec 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 11:09 PM, AuntieEm said: Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me. Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone. Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in the Bruce Smith years on defense? I don't recall that we did. I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl. Em, you’re probably not used to Floyd yet, but the guy once he got the heck out of Chicago has compiled 29.5 sacks in the last 3 years. He’s an underrated addition to this team. On paper this may be the most talented defense in McD 7 years. I understand the speed angle McBeane is shooting for in Dorian and Bernard. We have 1st and 2nd team all pros at all 3 levels. Von, Milano, Hyde, Poyer, and Tre. We also have one of the top Nickel CBs in Taron. We have a great big Nickel when we want power and cover skills swapping Rapp for Taron when we face heavy 12 personnel and running teams. I just don’t know how people Arent a little excited about a historically too 3 defense for the last 5 years and now May reach the #1 slot. On offense we no have a real 12 option and upgraded our G’s in McGovern and Mt. O Cyrus. I guess the question marks comes down to Spencer finally healed his neck and back and has an entire off season to take the leap to the next level. We also are the 2nd WR as a question. Was the ankle really holding him back last year. If so, can Harty stay healthy, can Sherfield make an impact? Can Davis ascend a true #2? Those are my only real questions. It’s June so I remain hopeful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 There seems to be an assumption in this thread that a 34 year old Von Miller will return to somewhere close to his pre-injury form this year. To me this is fairly unlikely, and undoubtedly one of the reasons they brought in Leonard Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 hours ago, vincec said: Better than Bennett you think? Bennett was a #2 overall pick and had a much longer track record of success than Paup, who only really had the one great year for the Bills. Bennett never reach double digits in sacks in a single season, Paul did twice. Toss in Paup had more seasons with at least 6 seasons. I think Bennett was a tad over rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 11:14 PM, Doc Brown said: Plus, you know, the guy we drafted in the first round. Shaq's career and perception among Bills fans is truly unique for an underwhelming Bills first round pick. Shane Ray too. Maybe we can pry Maybin away from his art career. Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 10:25 PM, John from Riverside said: Groot von oliver floyd how about that I put no import on draft position or their accomplishments at age 20 after they’ve become vetrans. Should we minimize Milano’s status, being a mid-late draft pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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