Culture and one year deals

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I'm a McDermott skeptic but the Floyd signing made me think of how well the culture has been maintained year over year even with these one year rentals. 

McD has done a real solid job of building a culture that allows these guys to quickly acclimate to the club, produce, and for the most part not be a negative influence. 

With the notable exceptions of Benjamin and the CB that quit at halftime, I don’t think there is another guy that was brought in and caused any issues. Don't know the whole story on Spain year 2 but that was quickly handled. 

He has done it in a variety of ways too. He let Kyle Williams be the elder leader while Josh matured. He then let Josh lead, only to bring in Miller at a later time and let him take some of that burden too. The whole time he also has Morse as a reliable steady veteran influence in the background. 

No doubt Beane has some role in this as well selecting guys that should be a good fit, but this is where McDermott has been exceptional. 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

I think the biggest thing is that 5-6 years ago none of these dudes would have signed here. The fact that vets want to come here to win and are taking very little money to do so is remarkable and not something I had experienced with our beloved Bills up to this point.  

Edited June 5, 2023 by MrEpsYtown

[Solomon Grundy]

With all the 1 year deals, this is the season to go ALL IN!! Restructure some deals and add DHop to the mix!! A known sure handed receiver with the ability to separate. Consider DHop as Beasley on steroids!! (hypothetically speaking)

[RoyBatty is alive]

Players actually WANT to come to Buffalo, something which was never the case (at least since the mid 1990) as Mr EpsYtown stated.  I would be shocked if they didn't have lengthy discussions with Von Miller about the type of players he is, was he a cultural fit.  No mention of the Floyd deal by Von Miller as he learned from reading some of the dribble of the TBD boards he didnt want to be accused again of making a promise/prediction/guarantee that didnt come true.  The days of begging and  wildly overpaying Mario Willaims to be a Bill are, at the moment, distant history.

Edited June 5, 2023 by RoyBatty is alive

[Special K]

Also, the league actually wants to showcase the Bills on National TV...10 out of 17 games on National TV will do a lot to bring in guys on a 1 year rental as well, IMO.

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

9 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Consider DHop as Beasley on steroids!! (hypothetically speaking)

Well he did miss 6 games last season for PEDs so your point is valid and not all that hypothetical 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

With all the 1 year deals, this is the season to go ALL IN!! Restructure some deals and add DHop to the mix!! A known sure handed receiver with the ability to separate. Consider DHop as Beasley on steroids!! (hypothetically speaking)

 

As long as Josh Allen is here, we'll be doing a lot of these 1 year deals.  

 

This is why teams with elite QB's can typically keep solid rosters around their QB..  We're not getting Harris, Ford, Rapp and Floyd to sign here for what they did if our QB is Kirk Cousins. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

8 minutes ago, Special K said:

Also, the league actually wants to showcase the Bills on National TV...10 out of 17 games on National TV will do a lot to bring in guys on a 1 year rental as well, IMO.

That is another  great point.  I think most players love the attention, at least if nothing else better endorsement potential.  

 

The Days of suffering being shipped out of sight to Buffalo are  temporarily over.

Edited June 5, 2023 by RoyBatty is alive

[Big Turk]

So you are a skeptic of the winningest coach in franchise history. Got it. Makes perfect sense.

 

Maybe you should root for the Browns? More your style

 

Edited June 5, 2023 by Big Turk

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, SCBills said:

 

As long as Josh Allen is here, we'll be doing a lot of these 1 year deals.  

 

This is why teams with elite QB's can typically keep solid rosters around their QB..  We're not getting Harris, Ford, Rapp and Floyd to sign here for what they did if our QB is Kirk Cousins. 

Great summation! Now, the Team needs to bring home the hardware. These things can just as quickly turn into a rent-a-player turnstile if the results don’t match the name recognition of the signings. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

That is another  great point.  I don't think for a second most players lover the attention, at least if nothing else better endorsement potential.  

The Days of suffering being shipped out of sight to Buffalo are  temporarily over.

 

Like Gilmore said when he went to New England,, "Now my family will be able to watch me play". It's why AJ McCarron is in the XFL, he wanted his sons to see him play, not just sit on the sideline in the NFL.

 

These guys are all humans with families of some sort. Being seen definitely makes a difference.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Great summation! Now, the Team needs to bring home the hardware. These things can just as quickly turn into a rent-a-player turnstile if the results don’t match the name recognition of the signings. 

Just keep winning and realistically being in the hunt is all we need, and that means keeping Allen healthy and reasonably protected.  You want to see a rent-a-players turnstile on 1 years deals is Houston for the past several.  I dont think we run that risk for a long time.

[TheWeatherMan]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

So you are a skeptic of the winningest coach in franchise history. Got it. Makes perfect sense.

 

Maybe you should root for the Browns? More your style

 

So a large portion of the MB should be Browns fans because we’re skeptical of McD’s ability to get to or win a SB?  🤦 

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

With all the 1 year deals, this is the season to go ALL IN!! Restructure some deals and add DHop to the mix!! A known sure handed receiver with the ability to separate. Consider DHop as Beasley on steroids!! (hypothetically speaking)

 

If DHop wants a one-year deal then everything you said makes sense.  If he wants a multi-year high dollar deal (which I'm assuming he does

at this moment) then it could cause a true need to re-tool the team a lot earlier than I would like.

 

Beane has pushed the signings pretty much to the limit and still maintaining the mantra he has said over and over he wants to keep.

That's having a contender every year.  I know there is a huge rift in fans on the board over this, but he is being true to his word.

 

I think Sean has done a very good job keeping the locker room believing in the future.

[Bobby Hooks]

25 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

With all the 1 year deals, this is the season to go ALL IN!! Restructure some deals and add DHop to the mix!! A known sure handed receiver with the ability to separate. Consider DHop as Beasley on steroids!! (hypothetically speaking)

I heard that Kincaid was going to be the supercharged Beasley. 
 

And I don’t know about everyone else, I would love to get Hopkins, but it’s almost starting to feel unreasonable after all these signings to add him too. 

Edited June 5, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[The Jokeman]

36 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I'm a McDermott skeptic but the Floyd signing made me think of how well the culture has been maintained year over year even with these one year rentals. 

McD has done a real solid job of building a culture that allows these guys to quickly acclimate to the club, produce, and for the most part not be a negative influence. 

With the notable exceptions of Benjamin and the CB that quit at halftime, I don’t think there is another guy that was brought in and caused any issues. Don't know the whole story on Spain year 2 but that was quickly handled. 

He has done it in a variety of ways too. He let Kyle Williams be the elder leader while Josh matured. He then let Josh lead, only to bring in Miller at a later time and let him take some of that burden too. The whole time he also has Morse as a reliable steady veteran influence in the background. 

No doubt Beane has some role in this as well selecting guys that should be a good fit, but this is where McDermott has been exceptional. 

 

 

McDermott is easily the best coach we've had at building culture. Marv could be considered a close 2nd yet think he had more talent than we have now. Toss in McDermott did all this in first year as a HC whereas Marv had previous HC experience. 

[machine gun kelly]

9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

That is another  great point.  I think most players love the attention, at least if nothing else better endorsement potential.  

 

The Days of suffering being shipped out of sight to Buffalo are  temporarily over.

 

4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Just keep winning and realistically being in the hunt is all we need, and that means keeping Allen healthy and reasonably protected.  You want to see a rent-a-players turnstile on 1 years deals is Houston for the past several.  I dont think we run that risk for a long time.

Roy, you’re correct.  This is year 2 of a large Primetime footprint between evening and national games at 4:25.  I love the 4:25 games especially as the 8:30 games get old when not Saturday in December or Holidays.  It’s a me issue as im up at 4:45am weekday mornings.  A midnight close sucks when you’re up once you settle down after 3 hrs of sleep.

 

I’m not complaining as it bringing us Floyd and others at reasonable rates.  I like this Oliver deal more due to the Floyd signing and Poona before.  We may finally have a line as I still like the vets even Shaw and J Phillips.

 

The guys that needs to worry are Basham and Epinesa.  Lastly, possible Settle depending on whether we keep 4 or 5.

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

With all the 1 year deals, this is the season to go ALL IN!! Restructure some deals and add DHop to the mix!! A known sure handed receiver with the ability to separate. Consider DHop as Beasley on steroids!! (hypothetically speaking)

Consider Kincaid to be Beasley on steroid and stilts.

 

we just kicked anotheb 6M down the road with Ed’s contract to sign Floyd.  If hopkins will settle for one year of guaranteed money, I agree with you.  I just don’t think that is his MO after hiring clutch sports. 

[Logic]

One of the smartest things the Bills organization ever did was build their current training facility.

Obviously, having a franchise QB and a team with a legitimate chance at winning it all every year helps lure quality players, but don't underestimate the role of the training facility in luring these players, as well.

Buffalo simply can't offer what other NFL cities can offer in terms of entertainment, attractions, nightlife, tax breaks, etc....So building a state of the art facility that players look at and know that it can help keep them healthy, prolong the career, and continue to produce at a high level -- not to mention a space that leads players to actually want to spend time at the team facilities and, thus, building comradery with teammates -- was ingenious. 

Impressive to see how thoroughly the culture and reputation of this team have rebounded from toxic pre-Beane/McDermott years.

[machine gun kelly]

40 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I'm a McDermott skeptic but the Floyd signing made me think of how well the culture has been maintained year over year even with these one year rentals. 

McD has done a real solid job of building a culture that allows these guys to quickly acclimate to the club, produce, and for the most part not be a negative influence. 

With the notable exceptions of Benjamin and the CB that quit at halftime, I don’t think there is another guy that was brought in and caused any issues. Don't know the whole story on Spain year 2 but that was quickly handled. 

He has done it in a variety of ways too. He let Kyle Williams be the elder leader while Josh matured. He then let Josh lead, only to bring in Miller at a later time and let him take some of that burden too. The whole time he also has Morse as a reliable steady veteran influence in the background. 

No doubt Beane has some role in this as well selecting guys that should be a good fit, but this is where McDermott has been exceptional. 

 

 

I really appreciate you having balance.  You’re not looking at the Bills with Rose colored glasses, yet you find what is good about our team.

 

We need more of that pragmatic approach to the Bills as you’re not saying everything go is great, but the sky isn’t falling either.

 

I admittedly was a bit upset on the Oliver extension until I saw the connection this morning to the Floyd signing providing 5th year cap hit to Oliver reducing the $11 mil hit to most likely $5 mil or so.

 

It may not be the D. Hop signing I’ve been praying and asking the football gods for to advance far beyond the Chiefs and catch up to the Bengals in weapons, but still helps the overall team.  I’m still not giving up hope until he signs somewhere else, but I have hope for this team.  That’s all anyone can ask for in June.

[Chicken Boo]

31 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

So you are a skeptic of the winningest coach in franchise history. Got it. Makes perfect sense.

 

Maybe you should root for the Browns? More your style

 

 

He far from the only one.  I'm skeptical of him too.  Doesn't mean he isn't a good coach.  

Edited June 5, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[Big Turk]

33 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

He far from the only one.  I'm skeptical of him too.  Doesn't mean he isn't a good coach.  

 

Wins and losses are what matters right? By definition, he is a good coach. Or would you rather have Sexy Rexy back?

 

Some of you try way too hard to be contrarians.

57 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

So a large portion of the MB should be Browns fans because we’re skeptical of McD’s ability to get to or win a SB?  🤦 

 

There was an even larger portion at one point who was skeptical of Andy Reid's ability to do that too...how did that work out for them?

Edited June 5, 2023 by Big Turk

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I'm a McDermott skeptic but the Floyd signing made me think of how well the culture has been maintained year over year even with these one year rentals. 

McD has done a real solid job of building a culture that allows these guys to quickly acclimate to the club, produce, and for the most part not be a negative influence. 

With the notable exceptions of Benjamin and the CB that quit at halftime, I don’t think there is another guy that was brought in and caused any issues. Don't know the whole story on Spain year 2 but that was quickly handled. 

He has done it in a variety of ways too. He let Kyle Williams be the elder leader while Josh matured. He then let Josh lead, only to bring in Miller at a later time and let him take some of that burden too. The whole time he also has Morse as a reliable steady veteran influence in the background. 

No doubt Beane has some role in this as well selecting guys that should be a good fit, but this is where McDermott has been exceptional. 

 

 

it could also be we have a good team along with Allen. Not culture but a winning team

[TheWeatherMan]

25 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

There was an even larger portion at one point who was skeptical of Andy Reid's ability to do that too...how did that work out for them?

There’s nothing wrong with a fan skeptic of a HC that has failed to deliver in the post season with a SB caliber team and MVP caliber QB.  Comparing Andy Reid to McD is pretty silly when talking accomplishments even before he left for KC.  He’s one of the most amazing if not the most amazing offensive minds in the history of football.  

[Big Turk]

18 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

There’s nothing wrong with a fan skeptic of a HC that has failed to deliver in the post season with a SB caliber team and MVP caliber QB.  Comparing Andy Reid to McD is pretty silly when talking accomplishments even before he left for KC.  He’s one of the most amazing if not the most amazing offensive minds in the history of football.  

 

Is it? Reid's winning percentage is .641 and McD's is .639

[TheWeatherMan]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Is it? Reid's winning percentage is .641 and McD's is .639

Yes, it is. What’s your point, Belichick’s is .673?  It’s about championships and Reid has been to 4 SB’s and has two rings.  

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If DHop wants a one-year deal then everything you said makes sense.  If he wants a multi-year high dollar deal (which I'm assuming he does

at this moment) then it could cause a true need to re-tool the team a lot earlier than I would like.

 

 

DHoppie likely wants a deal like he got from Arizona with a large amount of money up front and when team can no longer afford him gets let go on back end so he can get another contract.  $22.6m Arizona needed to eat meaning money he got in extra money.

[Big Turk]

16 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Yes, it is. What’s your point, Belichick’s is .673?  It’s about championships and Reid has been to 4 SB’s and has two rings.  

 

He has also been a head coach 3x as long as McD...18 more years.

[TheWeatherMan]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He has also been a head coach 3x as long as McD...18 more years.

What’s your point? 

[BigAl2526]

I don't think the one year deals have much to do with the sense of community that exists on the Bills.  The Bills are pretty careful about signing free agents that are a culture fit, and that goes for one year free agents as will as long term acquisitions.  I think the Bills like long term deals when they can fit in their cap management strategy, but when the cap is tight, they use the one year deals to pick up some talent at bargain prices.  I'm sure Leonard Floyd would love to get a multi-year big money deal, but this late in the off season that was not going to happen.  He signs for less money than he might be worth on a one year deal and collects a paycheck in anticipation of getting a longer term deal next year.  Maybe he can collect a championship ring along the way too. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

I don't think the one year deals have much to do with the sense of community that exists on the Bills.  The Bills are pretty careful about signing free agents that are a culture fit, and that goes for one year free agents as will as long term acquisitions.  I think the Bills like long term deals when they can fit in their cap management strategy, but when the cap is tight, they use the one year deals to pick up some talent at bargain prices.  I'm sure Leonard Floyd would love to get a multi-year big money deal, but this late in the off season that was not going to happen.  He signs for less money than he might be worth on a one year deal and collects a paycheck in anticipation of getting a longer term deal next year.  Maybe he can collect a championship ring along the way too. 

I agree. I was just praising McD for getting most of these guys to fit in really quickly. As you said it could be who they choose to bring in as well which may be as much or more about Beane. Either way it seems to be working and as others have said probably the only way to fill out the the roster once to you get a handful of high price vets.

[GoBills808]

There's no doubt McDermott and Beane have built a great culture here. It's a major credit to their hard work and vision.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I really appreciate you having balance.  You’re not looking at the Bills with Rose colored glasses, yet you find what is good about our team.

 

We need more of that pragmatic approach to the Bills as you’re not saying everything go is great, but the sky isn’t falling either.

 

I admittedly was a bit upset on the Oliver extension until I saw the connection this morning to the Floyd signing providing 5th year cap hit to Oliver reducing the $11 mil hit to most likely $5 mil or so.

 

It may not be the D. Hop signing I’ve been praying and asking the football gods for to advance far beyond the Chiefs and catch up to the Bengals in weapons, but still helps the overall team.  I’m still not giving up hope until he signs somewhere else, but I have hope for this team.  That’s all anyone can ask for in June.

Appreciate the comments. Im guilty as any fan of over reacting from time to time. 

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Wins and losses are what matters right? By definition, he is a good coach. Or would you rather have Sexy Rexy back?

 

Some of you try way too hard to be contrarians.

 

Actually, championships are what matter, but not everyone has high expectations.  You do you.  

[Mikie2times]

5 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

That is another  great point.  I think most players love the attention, at least if nothing else better endorsement potential.  

 

The Days of suffering being shipped out of sight to Buffalo are  temporarily over.

Everything has changed. At one point in the not so distant past we had home games shipped to Toronto and a fan base that was petrified we could lose the team. 

 

Allen is a star. Bills Mafia gave us a brand that is easy for the NFL to sell. The loyal, dedicated, hometown/college like atmosphere. It's like they just decided that we deserved the same branding as the Packers. Which is basically what we have become in the eyes of the league. It's such a special time for those that have been around to experience being irrelevant. I can't say this enough and I won't even be able to take my own advice. Enjoy the times when they're good. 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Actually, championships are what matter, but not everyone has high expectations.  You do you.  

 

Only one team wins them every year. It took Reid 20 years to win his first one. 

[Chaos]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Is it? Reid's winning percentage is .641 and McD's is .639

What are there playoff percentages? How far do there teams advance in an average year. Regular season percentages have a lot to do with the division you play in, and the rest of your schedule. Also, McDermott has been blessed with a top QB for all but the first 1 1/2 years of his tenure.  Belichek had that in NE, and did much more with it. Reid never had that in Philadelphia. Once he has had that in KC, he has done much more with it.  

[AuntieEm]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I'm a McDermott skeptic but the Floyd signing made me think of how well the culture has been maintained year over year even with these one year rentals. 

McD has done a real solid job of building a culture that allows these guys to quickly acclimate to the club, produce, and for the most part not be a negative influence. 

With the notable exceptions of Benjamin and the CB that quit at halftime, I don’t think there is another guy that was brought in and caused any issues. Don't know the whole story on Spain year 2 but that was quickly handled. 

He has done it in a variety of ways too. He let Kyle Williams be the elder leader while Josh matured. He then let Josh lead, only to bring in Miller at a later time and let him take some of that burden too. The whole time he also has Morse as a reliable steady veteran influence in the background. 

No doubt Beane has some role in this as well selecting guys that should be a good fit, but this is where McDermott has been exceptional. 

 

 

 

I think the last year Kyle Williams played, Tyrod Taylor was QB.  We drafted Josh the year after they ended the playoff drought.  So Josh and Kyle never got to be teammates.

[Big Turk]

39 minutes ago, Chaos said:

What are there playoff percentages? How far do there teams advance in an average year. Regular season percentages have a lot to do with the division you play in, and the rest of your schedule. Also, McDermott has been blessed with a top QB for all but the first 1 1/2 years of his tenure.  Belichek had that in NE, and did much more with it. Reid never had that in Philadelphia. Once he has had that in KC, he has done much more with it.  

 

Way to try and rewrite history...McNabb was a 6x Pro Bowler.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, AuntieEm said:

 

I think the last year Kyle Williams played, Tyrod Taylor was QB.  We drafted Josh the year after they ended the playoff drought.  So Josh and Kyle never got to be teammates.

Good catch. I thought they had a year overlap! Dam I'm usually better than that.