Slippery Rubber Mats Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Diggs wants to play in the super bowl. he's quiet when we win games 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Shemp said: There are things I'm concerned about if the Bills get Hopkins. How many ways can you split the rock? The Bills already have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Sherfield, Hardy, Shorter, Knox, Kincaid, Cook, Harris, Hines, Murray and more, not to mention Allen who likes to hang onto the ball. Will Diggs be P-Oed that the Bills would be getting someone who might take away from his touches? It would be an embarrassment of riches on the offensive side, but wouldn't the Bills be better off to invest more on the defense, which have been gashed by the elite teams? It's simple. Diggs and Hopkins will demand coverage and that will open up the field for everyone on the team. And the way you win in the current NFL is always be good enough on offense to be able to outscore the opponent. You need a good, but not great defense. We have that. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Shemp said: There are things I'm concerned about if the Bills get Hopkins. How many ways can you split the rock? The Bills already have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Sherfield, Hardy, Shorter, Knox, Kincaid, Cook, Harris, Hines, Murray and more, not to mention Allen who likes to hang onto the ball. Will Diggs be P-Oed that the Bills would be getting someone who might take away from his touches? It would be an embarrassment of riches on the offensive side, but wouldn't the Bills be better off to invest more on the defense, which have been gashed by the elite teams? Why you talking about all these guys like they are all proven players on Sunday? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, BananaB said: Why you talking about all these guys like they are all proven players on Sunday? He just wants to expand the numbers to make it seem ridiculous to think there are enough snaps for everybody. Of course, there aren't, but many of the names are JAGs, and the ones who aren't will benefit when they get single coverage in advantageous positions of the field because Hopkins and Diggs have to both be accounted for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: No matter what happens to me if the bills take the next step it is going to be because of the offensive line play was better, they run the ball more traditionally and are able to execute in the redzone because of it better. We were 3rd in rush YPC last year. That is not the missing ingredient. What the Bills need more than anything is another playmaker. When it's 4th and forever and the QB has a torn elbow and still manages to drop a 70 yard bomb into a bucket, we need a player on the other end that comes down with the ball and somehow turns a hopeless loss into a probable win. That's what championship teams are made of. You're crazy if you try to downplay how impactful the additions of AJ Brown and OBJ were to their respective teams. Even Toney, the reason I brought him up is that his punt return may have won the Chiefs a Super Bowl. It's not just about production, it's about the ability to create moments of magic. Hopkins has the production and the playmaking, as Bills fans know very well. 8 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 It’s a no brainer. He’s the same age as Diggs. Bring him in and go crazy on offense. Anybody who saw him play last year knows he’s still got it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 Quote Receiver DeAndre Hopkins is free to sign with anyone. But the contract won’t be anywhere close to free. As one source explained it to PFT on Saturday morning, Hopkins currently expects to secure a significant contract on the open market. The problem, however, is that no one wanted to trade for his prior deal, which paid less than $20 million this year. Early in the process, there was a belief that Hopkins would want an adjustment that replaced the back end of his existing contract, which had two years remaining. There’s another complication. Although Hopkins said during an early March appearance with Pat McAfee that Hopkins has hired an agent for this next phase of his career, NFL Players Association records reveal that he is unrepresented. Per multiple sources, the notorious Saint Omni is “running the show” for Hopkins. At least one viable contender for Hopkins’s services is leery about dealing with Omni. And for good reason. Last year, the NFL specifically warned all teams not to deal with Omni or any other non-certified agent in connection with linebacker Roquan Smith. Although Omni has managed to work in the shadows, or more conspicuously, on behalf of players like Smith and Texans tackle Laremy Tunsil, if a team that otherwise would be aggressively pursuing Hopkins opts to back away because it’s not comfortable dealing with Omni, that necessarily limits the player’s potential options. Thus, between the player’s expectations and unofficial representation, it might not be as simple and as seamless as it would seem for Hopkins to land on a new team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 so when are they signing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, Shemp said: There are things I'm concerned about if the Bills get Hopkins. How many ways can you split the rock? The Bills already have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Sherfield, Hardy, Shorter, Knox, Kincaid, Cook, Harris, Hines, Murray and more, not to mention Allen who likes to hang onto the ball. Will Diggs be P-Oed that the Bills would be getting someone who might take away from his touches? It would be an embarrassment of riches on the offensive side, but wouldn't the Bills be better off to invest more on the defense, which have been gashed by the elite teams? Your starting looks are: 11 personnel.. Diggs/Hopkins/Davis Knox or Kincaid Cook or Harris 12 personnel.. Diggs/Hopkins Knox/Kincaid Cook or Harris Depth.. Davis still get significant snaps in 11 and as primary depth to Diggs and Hop Harty stays as WR4 and rotates in as the speed option inside & outside Shakir, Sherfield, Shorter all fight for snaps and Shakir/Shorter continue their development for potentially bigger roles in the future Murray is the short yardage back Hines is our KR/PR and who cares if we get him involved a ton on offense Looks like well defined roles to me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 20 hours ago, Dillenger4 said: Not to be a debbie downer - but I bet the Bills brass is fine with what we have. We have a top 5 receiver in Diggs and a strong cast of other WR's in Sherfield, Harty, Davis, and then Kincaid and Fort Knox. I seriously doubt we go for Dhop. Just don't see it. It would be cool but so unrealistic to an actual Football mind outside of the 2 Bills Drive fanhood. I FULLY agree. Bills are set on receivers. Of course, in a fantasy world, stack up the talent. But with the salary cap, egos, etc. I just don't get how so many fans are desperate for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: He just wants to expand the numbers to make it seem ridiculous to think there are enough snaps for everybody. Of course, there aren't, but many of the names are JAGs, and the ones who aren't will benefit when they get single coverage in advantageous positions of the field because Hopkins and Diggs have to both be accounted for. Poor Kincaid, going from first round best TE prospect in college football to JAG without ever playing a snap in the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: We were 3rd in rush YPC last year. That is not the missing ingredient. What the Bills need more than anything is another playmaker. When it's 4th and forever and the QB has a torn elbow and still manages to drop a 70 yard bomb into a bucket, we need a player on the other end that comes down with the ball and somehow turns a hopeless loss into a probable win. That's what championship teams are made of. You're crazy if you try to downplay how impactful the additions of AJ Brown and OBJ were to their respective teams. Even Toney, the reason I brought him up is that his punt return may have won the Chiefs a Super Bowl. It's not just about production, it's about the ability to create moments of magic. Hopkins has the production and the playmaking, as Bills fans know very well. That is why I said traditional running game. The ypc comes a lot from allen's amazing abilities. I want to see them be able to line up on first down and run out of an 11 set forcing to teams to adjust later in the game to it. Not scrambles or reverses etc. Straight running. If they can do that it sets up lots of 3rd down short yardage situations where the team would have three options, running with a back, going to the big tight end or a wr or allen running it. Teams do not fear and certainly did not fear the bills running last year in that situation. Now they feared allen but that is not the same thing. yea dropping touchdowns is not good and it sucked when that happened last year. There are a few games over the last 3 years they have lost which they should not have. I did not downplay brown those are your words. I am simply stating the facts. He did not lead to a championship. The eagles did also not have a number 1 wr at his level the way the bills already do. They made just as impactful additions in reddick, bradberry, CJ Gardner johnson and drafting jordan davis. They were just excellent up front on both sides of the ball. That allowed them to play the game the way they wanted to and dictate the tone of the game each and every week. Again I said my peace on toney. He is not the same level of player nor was he expensive. He made a big punt return yes but he is always injured and wasn't the reason the chiefs did anything. They improved their offensive line and allowed mahomes to have time to play the game. Their defense always makes timely plays. Will hopkins get them over the hump? In a perfect situation where all the personalities can handle the expectations, the players can handle sharing the spotlight and the ball and keeping trouble out of the locker room when the team loses close games, then sure. That is the perfect situation though and it never works out that way for anyone sans a few teams across sports in history. To me no matter if hopkins signs or not the team is going to get over the hump by being more physical up front (AKA running the ball), having their star defensive players healthy and playing well when the playoffs start and just having some good old fashioned luck. I think they have improved the O-Line and I really like the backs they have and think the Running game is going to be different and better this year. In the end they will win if allen is clean in the pocket and they can run the ball and score in multiple ways in the redzone. Having the guys they were missing on defense available will be as big a pickup as any. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Shemp said: There are things I'm concerned about if the Bills get Hopkins. How many ways can you split the rock? The Bills already have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Sherfield, Hardy, Shorter, Knox, Kincaid, Cook, Harris, Hines, Murray and more, not to mention Allen who likes to hang onto the ball. Will Diggs be P-Oed that the Bills would be getting someone who might take away from his touches? It would be an embarrassment of riches on the offensive side, but wouldn't the Bills be better off to invest more on the defense, which have been gashed by the elite teams? Hopkins takes Davis's spot. An upgrade is needed there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, SCBills said: Your starting looks are: 11 personnel.. Diggs/Hopkins/Davis Knox or Kincaid Cook or Harris 12 personnel.. Diggs/Hopkins Knox/Kincaid Cook or Harris Depth.. Davis still get significant snaps in 11 and as primary depth to Diggs and Hop Harty stays as WR4 and rotates in as the speed option inside & outside Shakir, Sherfield, Shorter all fight for snaps and Shakir/Shorter continue their development for potentially bigger roles in the future Murray is the short yardage back Hines is our KR/PR and who cares if we get him involved a ton on offense Looks like well defined roles to me. Good luck trying to stop that offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 This CAN be done, Brandon! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, Chaos said: Poor Kincaid, going from first round best TE prospect in college football to JAG without ever playing a snap in the NFL That's not what I said. In addition, I was one of the fellas who was pushing for taking Kincaid over a month before the draft. Diggs and Hopkins on the field won't take snaps from Kincaid who will line up at big slot most of the time. It won't hurt Knox, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Hopkins takes Davis's spot. An upgrade is needed there .....and Davis can give both Hopkins and Diggs breathers allowing the offense to just keep rolling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: He just wants to expand the numbers to make it seem ridiculous to think there are enough snaps for everybody. Of course, there aren't, but many of the names are JAGs, and the ones who aren't will benefit when they get single coverage in advantageous positions of the field because Hopkins and Diggs have to both be accounted for. Hopkins doesn’t draw a lot of coverage while he is hurt, pouting or suspended for roids…..which is a lot…..but his contract burns cap anyway. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) Also, if I’m Davis, seeking that lucrative second contract… He should absolutely dominate as WR3 out there. If he puts up numbers in that role, with what he’s already put on tape and his big play advanced metrics .. someone is going to pay him big $$$, especially when they can convince themselves he’s now ready for a starring role after being behind Diggs and Hopkins. Edited May 27, 2023 by SCBills 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: That is why I said traditional running game. The ypc comes a lot from allen's amazing abilities. James Cook had the 2nd highest YPC in the league out of all RBs last year. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Hopkins doesn’t draw a lot of coverage while he is hurt, pouting or suspended for roids…..which is a lot…..but his contract burns cap anyway. Noted. I'll put you in the does not want Hopkins category in the running tally I keep in my socks drawer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Noted. I'll put you in the does not want Hopkins category in the running tally I keep in my socks drawer. Awesome. Keep in mind that I’ll still root for anyone the Bills sign unless they somehow cross sports and sign Jack Eichole. That’s off the table. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said: I am well aware of what decade it is and where the nfl is at. Until I see proof that adding veteran star wr is the key move in winning championships I am going to continue to be skeptical. I do not care what era of football you are talking about its almost always about the quarterback and the offensive and defensive lines. Buffalo has one of the best wr in the league in Diggs. I just don't see signing hopkins as the thing that puts them over the top. Like I said before in another post though, he has the skillset that the bills do not have. Big Bodied, great hands, tough catch guy with a huge radius. He can make all the amazing plays and if you put the ball on him or near him he is catching it. So if they do sign him and he and diggs can be comfortable with each player getting different amounts of targets each week and share the spotlight it could be the leagues most dangerous duo. It just seems to me that the offseason hype that comes with this move never actually materializes into on field results. Time and time again big time wr have moved and it just fizzles out or comes up just short like owens in philly and moss in new england. I just want them to win. So these moves didn't make them reach the Big game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: .....and Davis can give both Hopkins and Diggs breathers allowing the offense to just keep rolling. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Hopkins doesn’t draw a lot of coverage while he is hurt, pouting or suspended for roids…..which is a lot…..but his contract burns cap anyway. Edgy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Hopkins doesn’t draw a lot of coverage while he is hurt, pouting or suspended for roids…..which is a lot…..but his contract burns cap anyway. Great put him and Miller in Bubble wrap in storage. Open them up on Christmas in time for the playoffs. This isnt a move for September. This is a playoff move. Create more problems for defenses. Having guys who can win one on one does that. Not having to take the cheese on 3rd and long but having a guy who can win in 10-15 yards does that. Edited May 27, 2023 by Mat68 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Hopkins has played 10 seasons, and he only has missed significant time in 2 of them - one for the PED thing (which IIRC was a misunderstanding during some offseason recovery and not just blasting roids?) and one for a fluke injury. Yes, those two things happened in the most recent consecutive years, but again the PED thing was a one-off and the knee thing wasn't a recurring "this guy is always injured" it was a fluke one-off injury to his MCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, FluffHead said: No. Talking about the punt return that essentially ended the game You have a point there. However, HappyDays who originally brought up the topic of Toney, I have to assume was referencing him as a receiver when he also mentioned AJ Brown and OBJ helping the Eagles and Rams respectively. I have to assume he was not considering special teams ability since neither AJ Brown or OBJ bring any at this point in their careers . Strictly as a receiver, Toney didn't move the needle much. 8 hours ago, HappyDays said: The Saints did it every year until Drew Brees retired and then they took their medicine. It was never a problem for them in their elite QB window The Saints had three consecutive 7-9 seasons with Brees and Payton. That was sort of in the middle of the Payton and Brees era. Really shouldn't have happened since Brees was in his prime during that streak of 7-9 seasons. However, I think you are still somewhat correct because the later era Saints, did put up some winning seasons despite being in cap space hell for a lot of those years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, Chaos said: Poor Kincaid, going from first round best TE prospect in college football to JAG without ever playing a snap in the NFL He’s a jag until he proves himself in the NFL. A lot of guys get picked in first round, a lot of them only ever become jags. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 So any real updates, or are we just having general conversation here?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, HappyDays said: James Cook had the 2nd highest YPC in the league out of all RBs last year. yes I know the bills and the team. Geez. you have your head in the sand if you think this is a team that can line up and run the ball and be physical. The good teams can line up and run anytime and are physical in the running game specifically in short yardage situations. The bills have created a situation this year where they may be able to do that now with the additions. It will be a huge difference and it will help allen in all kinds of ways. 21 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: So these moves didn't make them reach the Big game? Owens signing in philly it did help them. They were stuck in the championship game for 3 years and the organization refused to address the wr position. They were a top defensive team in all of jim johnsons time and they had an excellent offensive line and running game. They did not have a diggs on their roster already. Adding owens to their offense with that running game created mismatches all over. and then they lost to a more physical team in the superbowl and owens blamed mcnabb and did pushups in his driveway for the media while he was supposed to be at practice......then a few years later when his game slipped in 08 he blamed romo for the teams faults in Dallas. The bills have one of the best WR in the league, one of the best qb's and what looks like an improved running game/O-line and tight end with all kinds of potential. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: So any real updates, or are we just having general conversation here?! The whole thread is a duplicated general conversation, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 42 minutes ago, HappyDays said: James Cook had the 2nd highest YPC in the league out of all RBs last year. James Cook is going to be a weapon next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, arcane said: Hopkins has played 10 seasons, and he only has missed significant time in 2 of them - one for the PED thing (which IIRC was a misunderstanding during some offseason recovery and not just blasting roids?) and one for a fluke injury. Yes, those two things happened in the most recent consecutive years, but again the PED thing was a one-off and the knee thing wasn't a recurring "this guy is always injured" it was a fluke one-off injury to his MCL He’s getting older, getting hurt and cheating. Let’s pay him tons. Wooo hooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: He’s getting older, getting hurt and cheating. Let’s pay him tons. Wooo hooo We get it - you don’t want Hopkins. That’s fair, everyone has their opinions. Analytics says he’s still a top 5 receiver who produces no matter the qb and rarely drops a ball. He would create a ton of problems for defenses playing Buffalo. The Jets have an elite d, Miami traded for Ramsey and NE has Belecheat. The more weapons we can add on O the better 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: He’s getting older, getting hurt and cheating. Let’s pay him tons. Wooo hooo I'll be tagging you for your thoughts when D Hop has a good year wherever he goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, wppete said: James Cook is going to be a weapon next year. He was a weapon last year, albeit an underutilized weapon. As the #1 RB I’m excited to see how Dorsey utilizes Cooks skill set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) I’m in the ‘sign him if you can’ camp. 3 reasons: 1. If Diggs misses time due to injury, they’re average. Slightly above at full strength if Kincaid is a force as a rookie (in a division with above average DBs) 2. Preventive measure, keeping him from being a weapon against us with KC, Chargers, Jets, or other 3. Mismatch nightmare potential with Diggs, DHop, Kincaid, Cook on the field along with one of these: Knox, Shakir, Shorter, Harty, or Sherfield. I think the Bills O will be good, regardless, but that added threat and insurance against injury to other offensive weapons is a plus in my view. Edited May 27, 2023 by SoMAn 3 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: He’s getting older, getting hurt and cheating. Let’s pay him tons. Wooo hooo He really only played in 8 games, mostly with a backup QB and still averaged 90 yards per game. I’m not sure where this old, hurt, and drop off in productivity line of thinking is coming from. 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I look at it as if the bills were interested in him back when he would’ve cost of the draft pick for the draft pick is too high and they definitely should be interested now that they don’t have to give up the draft pick Beane wanted him at one point they waited them out so he should still be interested 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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