Ross Tucker ranks NFL Coach’s, places McDermott at #22.

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, mrags said:

He’s still ranked too high. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im kidding I’m kidding. Even that seems really low to me. But the argument made does have some legitimacy. 

To me, the argument made is why he shouldn’t not be top 10.  But not to be top 20.  That’s just insane.  
 

[ddaryl]

I like McDermott somewhat.....but the coaching gaffs for a team that should have been to the SB 2 times already are undeniable

as of now McDermott is a mediocre coach. Ranked #22 might be a little harsh but the NFL and fans have noticed the completely avoidable bad decision making that has cost us dearly, the inability of his staff to make in game adjustments. Even though we win in the regular season there are too many times when opposing teams have been "still" in the game when they shouldn't of been.

 

This will only get louder untill he proves the gaffs are a thing of the past

Edited May 25, 2023 by ddaryl

[NewEra]

Just now, ddaryl said:

I like McDermott somewhat.....but the coaching gaffs for a team that should have been to the SB 2 times already are undeniable

as of now McDermott is a mediocre coach. Ranked #22 might be a little harsh but the NFL and fans have noticed the completely avoidable bad decision making that has cost us dearly, the inability of his staff to make in game adjustments. Even though we win in the regular season there are too many times when opposing teams have been "still" in the game when they shouldn't of been.

 

This will only get louder untill he proves the gaffs are a thing of the past

Should have been to the Super Bowl 2 times?  Which two? 

[ddaryl]

Just now, NewEra said:

Should have been to the Super Bowl 2 times?  Which two? 

 

 

2021 and 2022... Our team was more than good enough to make it to those 2

[Chicken Boo]

22 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Mike Vrabel is 13th?   McDermott has a better regular season winning percentage and a better playoff winning percentage, so why exactly is Vrabel ahead of McDermott? 

 

 

I actually think he and Vrabel are comparable.  Consider the rosters Vrabel has had to work with, especially at QB.  McDermott has Josh Allen.  That masks a lot of his shortcomings.  With the same rosters, I believe you'd get similar results.

[Sierra Foothills]

My good deed of the day. From the article:

 

1. Andy Reid

2. Bill Belichick

3. Mike Tomlin

4. Sean Payton

5. Nick Sirianni

6. Kyle Shanahan

7. Sean McVay

8. Brian Daboll

9. Pete Carroll

10. Doug Peterson

11. John Harbaugh

12. Zac Taylor

13. Mike Vrabel

14. Mike McDaniel

15. Kevin O'Connell

16. Dan Campbell

17. Matt LaFleur

18. Arthur Smith

19. Ron Rivera

20. Brandon Staley

21. Mike McCarthy

22. Sean McDermott

23. Kevin Stefanski

24. Frank Reich

25. Robert Saleh

26. Todd Bowles

27. Dennis Allen

28. Matt Eberflus

29. Josh McDaniels

30. Shane Steichen

31. DeMeco Ryans

32. Jonathan Gannon

 

A poll would be a good addition to this post... and I while I like and respect Ross Tucker's work, this definitely feels clickbaity.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by Sierra Foothills

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

You think it’s fair that Brandon Staley, Arthur Smith, McConnell and Mcdaniel should be ranked ahead of him?  There are more on the list that we can question….. but those 4 guys have no right at the moment 

 

 

 

I don't know if it's fair or not fair, but the fact is McDermott has Josh Allen.   If this list is weighted for the QB you have... I can't argue a ton. 

 

Staley has Herbert, a level below Allen.  (McDemott is a better coach than Staley though)

 

Smith has nobody.  McConnell has Cousins.  McDaniel had Tua or backups  

 

Most agree that Mahomes, Allen and Burrow are the 3 best QB's in the league. 

 

Which one hasn't made the Super Bowl?  Do we put that more on Allen or McDermott?  I know which way I lean, and that is why I can't argue a ton with this ranking. 

 

This is a MASSIVE year for McDermott.  He is an elite culture building coach, which counts for a lot, but he has yet to show he can take the next step.  Others with elite QB's have. 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by SCBills

[thenorthremembers]

Love Ross but this is an absolute crap take.    He's got multiple coaches with losing records ahead of McDermott, multiple coaches with one season ahead of him, multiple coaches who have losing records against McDermott ahead of him.

 

This is literally his opinion.  There is no statistical reality associated with his take.  Its lazy and it sucks.  Has Belichick listed two because of what he's done in the past, has Daboll and McDaniel ahead of McDermott because they got bad teams to the playoffs in their first year, but then fails to mention that McDermott did the same thing in his 1st year- if you are going to weigh coaches based on what they've done in the past why not scale McDermott the same way?

 

You really want to tell me Belichick is the 2nd best coach in the NFL right now, today, when he hasnt won jack since Brady left?

 

Awful article, complete joke.

Edited May 25, 2023 by thenorthremembers

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

2021 and 2022... Our team was more than good enough to make it to those 2

2021 being the year in which our OL got destroyed on almost every play? That same game where hill and Kelce went for 22-290-2?  There’s a big difference between being “more than good enough to make the SB” and “should have made the Super Bowl”.  

 

We had a dam good team that year, but the chiefs were clearly the better team.  They handled us easily twice that season.  Sure, we could have beaten them, any given Sunday…. But the team that “should have” made the Super Bowl, made the Super Bowl.  That wasn’t us.  KC was better that year.  
 

I agree, we should’ve at least made the AFCCG the following season but our 13 second coaching gaffe ended us. but we still had to beat Cinci. This was the one season I feel it’s ok to say we should’ve made the SB.  
 

Last year, I thought we had the best team in the league, but injuries derailed our season.  We had no chance with the team we put on the field vs Cinci.  
 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

You think it’s fair that Brandon Staley, Arthur Smith, McConnell and Mcdaniel should be ranked ahead of him?  There are more on the list that we can question….. but those 4 guys have no right at the moment 

 

 

Absolutely agree with this. 

 

McConnell's team last year was exposed as the frauds they were the entire season immediately in the Playoffs. 

 

Arthur Smith is going to try and win the "Titans" way and it won't work and we all know that. 

 

And Brandon Staley, his team choked away a 27 point lead in the Playoffs. So no, he's not there yet as an elite Coach. Now, I do agree that canning Lombardi on his staff and replacing with Kellen Moore was the correct decision. 

[Matt_In_NH]

32 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

He may not be 22nd, but he's hovering in the teens. 

 

Is that really something to hang your hat on?  

Who are the 12 or more you have higher ranked?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

My biggest issue with McDermott has been the Playoff defensive performances, but most of the time the thing that bothers me the most is that Doug Marrone-esque I've been there, done everything, seen it all nature to the interviews that we the fans are allowed to see. 

 

Working and playing for him in that same tone would grate on me I think. Vrabel, Belichick are examples of the same thing. 

 

 

[Cray51]

I dont know how you could look at half of the coaches above McD and say "McD hasn't shown better coaching than these guys"

 

I get it, 13 seconds was awful, but at the end of the day, the team could execute at some key moments.  Is that really all on McD?

 

McD is a top 12 coach in the league.  He has a 62-35 regular season record, with playoffs in 5 of 6 years.  His first year playoff birth is more surprising than even the Giants this year, and he took a player everyone was calling a bust to be and helped turn him into a superstar.

 

Coaches that should absolutely be below McD:

8. Brian Daboll

10. Doug Peterson

13. Mike Vrabel

14. Mike McDaniel

15. Kevin O'Connell

16. Dan Campbell

17. Matt LaFleur

18. Arthur Smith

19. Ron Rivera

20. Brandon Staley

21. Mike McCarthy

 

And let's not forget this guy has built a great culture, and has shifted his philosophy multiple times to improve the on field result.

 

We Bills fans are becoming the fans we hate most - pompas losers who are too good for the coach who has led us to 5 playoff appearances in the last 6 years.  Let's relive the drought and then see how people feel

[Stanley Lombardi]

The Buffalo Bills were NFL pushovers for nearly two decades.   

For the last half of a decade, the Bills have been a force in the NFL.

 

The transition began the moment Sean McDermott arrived in town.

Put a number on that.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I don't know if it's fair or not fair, but the fact is McDermott has Josh Allen.   If this list is weighted for the QB you have... I can't argue a ton. 

 

Staley has Herbert, a level below Allen.  (McDemott is a better coach than Staley though)

 

Smith has nobody.  McConnell has Cousins.  McDaniel had Tua or backups  

 

Most agree that Mahomes, Allen and Burrow are the 3 best QB's in the league. 

 

Which one hasn't made the Super Bowl?  Do we put that more on Allen or McDermott?  I know which way I lean, and that is why I can't argue a ton with this ranking. 

 

This is a MASSIVE year for McDermott.  He is an elite culture building coach, which counts for a lot, but he has yet to show he can take the next step.  Others with elite QB's have. 

 

 

Let’s not act like mcdermott didn’t have success without Josh allen.  He did.  He made the playoffs with a tank team.  As if that means nothing.  
 

Who’s better, Tua or Tyrod?  Who’s better cousins or Tyrod?  Both teams had MUCH more talent that McD had in 2017.  No comparison.  

 

Mariota = Tyrod.  I’ll give it a push for QB play. And McD made the playoffs….. smith.  Back to back 7-10 records.  That deserves to be ahead of mcdermotts 62-35 record?  You can’t be serious. I think smith is a good coach and he’s done well considering the talent in his team…. But there’s no way he should be ranked ahead of mcdermott at this point. 
 

I agree that mcdermott is on the hot seat this season.  Not because he’s not a good coach.  But because he’s hasn’t been good enough to coach Josh Allen to a Super Bowl W.  

 

do you really think McDermott is should be ranked outside of the top 20? 

 

 

[Bferra13]

Helluva guy. Love him personally. Great coach Monday through Saturday. Sunday leaves much to be desired. Ranking seems fair until proven otherwise.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Bferra13 said:

Helluva guy. Love him personally. Great coach Monday through Saturday. Sunday leaves much to be desired. Ranking seems fair until proven otherwise.

Until proven otherwise? Wth are you talking about? 

 

has it been proven that Staley, Smith, McConnell, mcdaniel are better?  Please, explain.  Thanks in advance.  

[uticaclub]

McDermott would be gone if not for Josh Allen. I would have him closer to 16th, right in the middle. 

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Let’s not act like mcdermott didn’t have success without Josh allen.  He did.  He made the playoffs with a tank team.  As if that means nothing.  
 

Who’s better, Tua or Tyrod?  Who’s better cousins or Tyrod?  Both teams had MUCH more talent that McD had in 2017.  No comparison.  

 

Mariota = Tyrod.  I’ll give it a push for QB play. And McD made the playoffs….. smith.  Back to back 7-10 records.  That deserves to be ahead of mcdermotts 62-35 record?  You can’t be serious. I think smith is a good coach and he’s done well considering the talent in his team…. But there’s no way he should be ranked ahead of mcdermott at this point. 
 

I agree that mcdermott is on the hot seat this season.  Not because he’s not a good coach.  But because he’s hasn’t been good enough to coach Josh Allen to a Super Bowl W.  

 

do you really think McDermott is should be ranked outside of the top 20? 

 

 

 

No, I don't.  

 

I think McDermott is a middle of the pack coach as of today, where we sit, on May 25th 2023.

 

He did an amazing job with the Tyrod Taylor team in breaking the drought.   He's an incredible person and a top tier culture building coach.  

 

He's plateaued however, and - imo - has backslid a bit.

 

He has had multiple years of a top 10 talent team, with a top 3 QB.   He's the only coach of those 3 QB's that hasn't gotten to a Super Bowl.   As we all know, that's the rub right now.. I do hope he overcomes it, because I think he represents us so well.  However, I can't lie... when I look at that list, I truly think I'd rather have someone like McDaniel (with Fangio) over McDermott right now.  I hope McDermott changes my mind this year.  

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by SCBills

[uticaclub]

12 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

I dont know how you could look at half of the coaches above McD and say "McD hasn't shown better coaching than these guys"

 

I get it, 13 seconds was awful, but at the end of the day, the team could execute at some key moments.  Is that really all on McD?

 

McD is a top 12 coach in the league.  He has a 62-35 regular season record, with playoffs in 5 of 6 years.  His first year playoff birth is more surprising than even the Giants this year, and he took a player everyone was calling a bust to be and helped turn him into a superstar.

 

Coaches that should absolutely be below McD:

8. Brian Daboll

10. Doug Peterson

13. Mike Vrabel

14. Mike McDaniel

15. Kevin O'Connell

16. Dan Campbell

17. Matt LaFleur

18. Arthur Smith

19. Ron Rivera

20. Brandon Staley

21. Mike McCarthy

 

And let's not forget this guy has built a great culture, and has shifted his philosophy multiple times to improve the on field result.

 

We Bills fans are becoming the fans we hate most - pompas losers who are too good for the coach who has led us to 5 playoff appearances in the last 6 years.  Let's relive the drought and then see how people feel

Daboll deserves to be higher than McD, the others you can debate.

 

It's not that we are too good for a playoff caliber coach, it's that we want a Super Bowl.  Do they Bucs win if they don't fire Dungy?

[Rico]

Ross Tucker was a Drought-Era Bill.

 

When it comes to this team, all he knows is how to lose.

[JackKemp]

If all you do is focus on the negative you miss out on all the good. Without McDermott the drought would have continued unless we got lucky.

[Cray51]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Daboll deserves to be higher than McD, the others you can debate.

 

It's not that we are too good for a playoff caliber coach, it's that we want a Super Bowl.  Do they Bucs win if they don't fire Dungy?

How does Daboll deserve to be higher than McD?  They had incredibly similar first seasons, and McD has shown the ability to generate tenure of success.  Daboll has shown to take a team and win close games (McD did that his first year too).  He hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent playoff participant. 

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

You think it’s fair that Brandon Staley, Arthur Smith, McConnell and Mcdaniel should be ranked ahead of him?  There are more on the list that we can question….. but those 4 guys have no right at the moment 

 

 

Touché. No, it’s harsh. But this 65 year fan carry’s a very long disgust with the team. Imo, Knox, Saban & Levy have been our best and the drop off after them -including Sean- is deep.

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

How does Daboll deserve to be higher than McD?  They had incredibly similar first seasons, and McD has shown the ability to generate tenure of success.  Daboll has shown to take a team and win close games (McD did that his first year too).  He hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent playoff participant. 

 

He doesn't.  I guess the theory is that Daboll "overachieved" with the Giants roster, but then, McDermott overachieved with the Bills 2017 roster. 

 

The Giants played the #29 SOS last year, the Bills #12.  Moreover, Daboll lost close games to the Commanders and the Vikings where coaching was arguably a factor.

 

There are a bunch of coaches, as others have pointed out, who it's rather inexplicable to place higher, either based on the "what have they done yet?" metric or the "don't the same criticisms applied to McDermott, apply to them -but more?" metric

Edited May 25, 2023 by Beck Water

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

Touché. No, it’s harsh. But this 65 year fan carry’s a very long disgust with the team. Imo, Knox, Saban & Levy have been our best and the drop off after them -including Sean- is deep.

No arguments there. I just don’t see what that has to do with this list being fair. 

[Dr. K]

Tucker's abilities as a journalist rival his abilities as an offensive lineman. 

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

No, I don't.  

 

I think McDermott is a middle of the pack coach as of today, where we sit, on May 25th 2023.

 

He did an amazing job with the Tyrod Taylor team in breaking the drought.   He's an incredible person and a top tier culture building coach.  

 

He's plateaued however, and - imo - has backslid a bit.

 

He has had multiple years of a top 10 talent team, with a top 3 QB.   He's the only coach of those 3 QB's that hasn't gotten to a Super Bowl.   As we all know, that's the rub right now.. I do hope he overcomes it, because I think he represents us so well.  However, I can't lie... when I look at that list, I truly think I'd rather have someone like McDaniel (with Fangio) over McDermott right now.  I hope McDermott changes my mind this year.  

 

He has a top 3 QB and has been eliminated by the other top 3 QBs in each of the 3 seasons in which our QB has been elite. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

we were decimated by injuries last season and our team wasn’t good enough in Josh’s first elite season. He flopped 13 secs, a borderline fireable offense, but I thought his track record was good enough to keep him. 
 

 

[Chicken Boo]

46 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Who are the 12 or more you have higher ranked?

 

Belichick

Payton

McVay

Shanahan

Tomlin

Reid

Pederson

Harbaugh

Carroll

Taylor

Sirianni

Vrabel is a push, in my opinion

 

*I'd take over Sean given the choice...

Daboll

McDaniels

 

For the 2 above, with this roster,  I'd favor an offensive mind.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[uticaclub]

27 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

How does Daboll deserve to be higher than McD?  They had incredibly similar first seasons, and McD has shown the ability to generate tenure of success.  Daboll has shown to take a team and win close games (McD did that his first year too).  He hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent playoff participant. 

Daboll won a playoff game in his first year and salvaged Daniel Jones career. In today's NFL offensive coaches are more valuable. Other than Belichick & McD, every successful coach came from the offense side of the ball.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

I'm probably more critical of McD than the average Bills fan, but to have him at 22 is laughable. I think he's closer to 10th best than 20th. 

 

Ross Tucker says that McD has inexplicable losses to bad teams in the regular season???!! We've lost 2 games to teams that finished the season with a losing record in the past 3 years. Reid and the Chiefs have more losses to teams with a losing record in the same time frame. 

 

 

[jethro_tull]

kind of bogus, IMHO.  McD should be in the top 10 and higher if he weren't held back by a weaker supporting staff.  Just on record alone he should be top 10.  

[Chicken Boo]

46 minutes ago, Stanley Lombardi said:

The Buffalo Bills were NFL pushovers for nearly two decades.   

For the last half of a decade, the Bills have been a force in the NFL.

 

The transition began the moment Sean McDermott arrived in town.

Put a number on that.

 

It's hard to put a number on that.  McDermott is a good coach.  So was Marty Schottenheimer.  He built winners everywhere he went.  Just couldn't get them over the hump.  (*Byner fumble is on Byner)

[HappyDays]

I do worry that McDermott is like the proverbial RB that gets you 4 yards when you need 3, and 4 yards when you need 8. His baseline is clearly far better than anything we had in the drought years and he gets all the credit in the world for turning around a moribund franchise. Can he get us over the hump though? Every season that passes, the question grows more pressing.

 

But as others have pointed out he is clearly still ranked too low on this list even from the most cynical perspective of his tenure here.

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by HappyDays

[Beck Water]

14 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Daboll won a playoff game in his first year and salvaged Daniel Jones career. In today's NFL offensive coaches are more valuable. Other than Belichick & McD, every successful coach came from the offense side of the ball.

 

McDermott won a playoff game in his first year, with no better talent and arguably worse in some regards.

 

That's the paradox of that list - it's obviously looking at the coach's entire career (Carroll, Harbaugh, Tomlin etc) which is fair - but then which inexplicably doesn't apply to McDermott.

 

It's supposed to be about what the coach has achieved, not what's NFL trendy. 

 

That's why IMO it's very hard to argue it's a fair or reasonable list.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Beck Water

[Chandler#81]

31 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No arguments there. I just don’t see what that has to do with this list being fair. 

Ok, but McD has had Pro Bowl players at 10 positions (14 if you count McCoy, Kyle,  Sanders & Edmunds) in his 6 seasons -many as multiple PBers. It’s become safe to assume at least 3 players will be enshrined in Canton when their careers end. Should a team with this much accrued talent crash and burn every January when there’s a February game still waiting for the 2 best teams? 
 

22 is stupid considering all the newbies, but if does seem we’re further away than we’ve been and Sean’s ultra conservative approach is understandably seen as detrimental. 🤷‍♂️

[dave mcbride]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

McDermott won a playoff game in his first year, with no better talent and arguably worse in some regards.

 

That's the paradox of that list - it's obviously looking at the coach's entire career (Carroll, Harbaugh, Tomlin etc) which is fair - but then which inexplicably doesn't apply to McDermott.

 

It's supposed to be about what the coach has achieved, not what's NFL trendy. 

 

That's why IMO it's very hard to argue it's a fair or reasonable list.

They actually lost their only playoff game in 2017, 10-3.

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, DCofNC said:

 
I can’t disagree with the logic.  Though I will give credit where it’s due, the Bills have won almost all of the games they are “supposed” to win in the regular season for McD’s career. There have definitely been some flat performances and I know exactly what games he’s thinking of that did cost us big time.   The thing that sticks out to me is the number of times he’s been directly responsible for losing big games. 

Except for Jacksonville. Which, you know, home field, 13 seconds and such.  

Edited May 25, 2023 by SectionC3

[The 9 Isles]

That’s so depressing. Seems accurate.  Wasting such a talented QB with middling coaching is infuriating. 

[BillsVet]

Ross obviously didn't include clapping frequency, number of post-game platitudes stated, or how to fire your DC without actually saying so into these rankings.    

 

If those criteria are included, McD easily moves up to 20, if not 18.