Quinnen Williams scrubs Jets from his Twitter page

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Great news.  He’s one of the league’s best and deserves what he’s asking for.  But the jets have no money left, especially for 2024 I hear. 

 

Yeah, I'm hoping he gets a HUGE contract.  The more money Williams and Rodgers get, the less the Jets have for skilled free agents.

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

these guys are such children..."I''ll scrub you from my feeds and let you deal with THAT!!"

 

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Yeeeep.

 

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

That’s because it is, 

 

Are the players the ones who do it or does it come from their agent?

 

Seems like a cheap way to get a news story written and generate a bunch of buzz to put pressure on the team to get the deal done. 

[wppete]

25 minutes ago, Doc said:

Williams gives me Dareus vibes. 

There is no comparison at all. Q. Williams is a beast and he is just scratching the surface. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, HardyBoy said:

 

 

It really might be more sophisticated than that... I'm sure the pr/marketing/social media depts have metrics around engagement of social media posts (and I'm sure agents have that as well, as do media companies).

 

Imagine Russ Brandon still running the team and there not being a wall between football ops and organizational ops... there's gotta be a better reason that players do that than to just publicly apply pressure, but I'm also a data analyst who people sometimes say has a utopian view of the way business should be run and this to me is perfect for trying to collect data to show the value of a player off the field as well and get places like espn to pick up the story because they see the engagement data of their audience with that social media scrubbing.

 

 

It's really not.  Team's FO/owner/GM/capologist have a number they won't go above.  No manner of social foot stomping is going to change that number.  

 

"public pressure" does not apply here...

 

 

4 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

 

 

Are the players the ones who do it or does it come from their agent?

 

Seems like a cheap way to get a news story written and generate a bunch of buzz to put pressure on the team to get the deal done. 

 

Come on.  Agents know this doesn't move the needle--they are the ones in the room with the team when money is discussed.

 

If no deal is imminent and this guy holds out, fans aren't really going to be leaping out buildings over it.  More likely they will blame the player who holds out.

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

It's really not.  Team's FO/owner/GM/capologist have a number they won't go above.  No manner of social foot stomping is going to change that number.  

 

"public pressure" does not apply here...

 

That is certainly an opinion. Especially for an organization where the owner has stepped in before to get deals done. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Can you think of a better way to communicate the gravity of your position than public displays of passive aggression?

 

Sandwich boards....

[DrDawkinstein]

37 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

I'm sure you're right.  But I think it does the total opposite of what players intend.

It makes them look selfish, greedy and more about their paycheck than team-players.

 

Above all, fans care about the team winning.  They are worried about the 2023 schedule.  Not their defensive tackle's financial security.  To the general public, Quinnen Williams is still under contract for another season.  But he now gives the impression that he's moving on mentally and not dedicated to the Jets, because he wants his big contract RIGHT NOW. 

 

Fans are OK with the Jets pitching low-ball offers early in the negotiation process, because a favorable contract is to the overall TEAM'S benefit.  Now if the Jets drag their feet and ultimately let Williams become a Free Agent next season (and as a result, hurting the team)...that's when the front office becomes the bad guy and fans start turning against them.

 

 

Oh, I agree completely. The players may think it makes them look better, but the fans dont care that much, or are actually against them.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Malazan said:

 

That is certainly an opinion. Especially for an organization where the owner has stepped in before to get deals done. 

 

owner writes the checks.  he would be "stepping in" on his own behalf--he's not an arbitrator.

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, wppete said:

There is no comparison at all. Q. Williams is a beast and he is just scratching the surface. 

So was Dareus. Until he got paid. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Sandwich boards....

Rent a billboard? 🤔

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, wppete said:

That’s a huge number but he is an incredible player. What would an Ed Oliver deal look like? Let’s hope nothing close to that. 

Deal Ed Oliver for Williams😃 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

No other team traded for a $50M AAV player and rolled 90% of their salary to the next year.  Rodgers counts for more than $100M next year.  Cap wise, the Jets are in the worst shape of any team for 2024.  

Oh I know they’re in a bad spot.  I also know that teams can kick as much money as they want and long as they kick it down the road.  How much and how far do they want to kick it is the question.  But they can sign him.  Make no mistake about it

 

I just don’t see them getting rid of the such and impact defensive lineman.  

[Fan in Chicago]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

So was Dareus. Until he got paid. 

Thats not what I remember. He brought it big time when he was in the mood but couldn't be relied on to be that disruptive force every game. His issue was not one of talent, of which he had plenty. He did deal with some personal issues but even despite that, he wasnt self motivated. I frequently contrasted him with Kyle WIlliams who maximized his output with dedication and effort whereas Dareus did the opposite.  

[TheWeatherMan]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Oh I know they’re in a bad spot.  I also know that teams can kick as much money as they want and long as they kick it down the road.  How much and how far do they want to kick it is the question.  But they can sign him.  Make no mistake about it

 

I just don’t see them getting rid of the such and impact defensive lineman.  

Also to keep in mind the Jets have 30 UFAs next year (Bills 25) and a good chunk of them they will want to re sign.  The more I look at their situation, it’s pretty much an all in championship or bust roster for the next two years.  They are going to lose a lot of young talent and will be the 2022 Rams before long. 

[Gregg]

Henry McKenna on Twitter: "#Jets DT @QuinnenWilliams is seeking between $25M-$30M per year in his upcoming contract, per source. (More than Jeffery Simmons and less than Aaron Donald.) "He loves the Jets. He just wants to get paid. Hopefully it doesn't get messy," the source said. Story coming...." / Twitter

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Also to keep in mind the Jets have 30 UFAs next year (Bills 25) and a good chunk of them they will want to re sign.  The more I look at their situation, it’s pretty much an all in championship or bust roster for the next two years.  They are going to lose a lot of young talent and will be the 2022 Rams before long. 

I don’t have to keep anything in mind.  Douglas does. All I said was that I believe that they plan on keeping Williams.  
 

I agree they’re in a terrible cap position  

going forward and are def all in the next 2 years. They’ll be paying rodgers cap hit over the next 5 years.  
 

I don’t think they’re the rams-  they are set up much better for the future. They’ll be in cap hell throughout- but they can navigate it to be competing for the next 5 years as long as they replace AR properly.  They have superstars and core players (gardner- Wilson- Breece-  Clemons- Johnson)  that will be getting paid on their rookie contracts for the next 3+ years. All

of the rams superstars were getting paid big bucks and on their 2nd and 3rd contract. 

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Henry McKenna on Twitter: "#Jets DT @QuinnenWilliams is seeking between $25M-$30M per year in his upcoming contract, per source. (More than Jeffery Simmons and less than Aaron Donald.) "He loves the Jets. He just wants to get paid. Hopefully it doesn't get messy," the source said. Story coming...." / Twitter

 

That's honestly not unreasonable.   He would get that somewhere else.  

 

Jets made the decision to commit 100M to Rodgers that they're pushing into coming years, not Quinnen Williams. 

[Augie]

3 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

 

It really might be more sophisticated than that... I'm sure the pr/marketing/social media depts have metrics around engagement of social media posts (and I'm sure agents have that as well, as do media companies).

 

Imagine Russ Brandon still running the team and there not being a wall between football ops and organizational ops... there's gotta be a better reason that players do that than to just publicly apply pressure, but I'm also a data analyst who people sometimes say has a utopian view of the way business should be run and this to me is perfect for trying to collect data to show the value of a player off the field as well and get places like espn to pick up the story because they see the engagement data of their audience with that social media scrubbing.

 

I am a guy who would have elected to let Bruce sit after he got a brand new contract, but wanted a new one because somebody else got a raise. I don’t tolerate that well, and you probably don’t want me as your GM. The list of reasons is of course long, VERY long, but that’s kinda high up there. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Do we know if he was/is on Rodgers’ wish list?

[julian]

33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t have to keep anything in mind.  Douglas does. All I said was that I believe that they plan on keeping Williams.  
 

I agree they’re in a terrible cap position  

going forward and are def all in the next 2 years. They’ll be paying rodgers cap hit over the next 5 years.  
 

I don’t think they’re the rams-  they are set up much better for the future. They’ll be in cap hell throughout- but they can navigate it to be competing for the next 5 years as long as they replace AR properly.  They have superstars and core players (gardner- Wilson- Breece-  Clemons- Johnson)  that will be getting paid on their rookie contracts for the next 3+ years. All

of the rams superstars were getting paid big bucks and on their 2nd and 3rd contract. 

That’s a horrible spot to be in, paying elite money for elite players and no  QB, brutal

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, julian said:

That’s a horrible spot to be in, paying elite money for elite players and no  QB, brutal

that is definitely a horrible spot to be in…..if they didn’t win a Lombardi and can’t get a decent QB when AR steps away.  But right now, they have something to get excited about.  That’s all you can ask for as a fan and a team.  To have a chance to win a Super Bowl.  The Jets definitely have that imo.  1, maybe 2 or 3 shots. Nfl is not for long-  you can’t just plan long term.  Especially if you don’t have a QB.  They didn’t have a QB and they didn’t have a chance to win a Super Bowl.  Now they have both.  At the expense of salary cap and/or draft picks.  Per usual.  
 

they have some elite type players on rookie deals-  they made a smart play imo.  He was the only QB that changed teams that would’ve made them a SB contender imo.  Carr, nah. Slimmy G, hell nah.  Mariota, stidham, Dalton?  No.  

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Malazan said:

 

 

 

Are the players the ones who do it or does it come from their agent?

 

Seems like a cheap way to get a news story written and generate a bunch of buzz to put pressure on the team to get the deal done. 

It’s a childish thing to do, and has zero effect on negotiations, it’s an example of first world one percenters having a tantrum, absolutely pathetic on its best day. 

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Augie said:

I know this is common practiced for disgruntled NFL players, but it feels very middle school-ish to me. 

 

 

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Yeah. Jimmy said that Allen said that Susie said that Karen doesn't like you.

[Turk71]

I could be in the minority but I am not expecting Rodgers to be that great this year for the Jets. I think the honeymoon wears off quickly, starting with getting badly beaten in their season opening primetime home game vs the Bills. 

Their reconstructed oline will need to gel quickly. They were terrible last year and I dont expect them to be very good starting the season.

[Reks Ryan]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Being honest, I totally read this as some crazy political thing! 😞 9/11 is also my birthday.

 

and social media might be the dumbest thing ever. Players do this because they are mad, then they get paid, and talk about how they never wanted to leave. He will be out there. Such much desperate attention seeking. 

Are you trade Ed Oliver guy in every thread?

That's a rough B-day.  Were you already an adult in 2001?  Or did you deal with that b-day as a kid?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

that is definitely a horrible spot to be in…..if they didn’t win a Lombardi and can’t get a decent QB when AR steps away.  But right now, they have something to get excited about.  That’s all you can ask for as a fan and a team.  To have a chance to win a Super Bowl.  The Jets definitely have that imo.  1, maybe 2 or 3 shots. Nfl is not for long-  you can’t just plan long term.  Especially if you don’t have a QB.  They didn’t have a QB and they didn’t have a chance to win a Super Bowl.  Now they have both.  At the expense of salary cap and/or draft picks.  Per usual.  
 

they have some elite type players on rookie deals-  they made a smart play imo.  He was the only QB that changed teams that would’ve made them a SB contender imo.  Carr, nah. Slimmy G, hell nah.  Mariota, stidham, Dalton?  No.  

 

Rodgers was on some good GB teams in recent years and couldn't get it done in the NFCCG.  I doubt he'll find the AFC much easier.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Rodgers was on some good GB teams in recent years and couldn't get it done in the NFCCG.  I doubt he'll find the AFC much easier.

He was on some decent teams.  Comparing talent, I this this Jets team is just as talented. 
 

The guy has won a Super Bowl.  He’s arguably one of the greatest QBs of all time.  He beat out allen for MVP 2 of the last 3 years. Sure, he’s declining, but who else were they going to get?  They needed a QB and they got the best one available. 

 

Not sure why anyone would frown on what they did. 

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

It’s a childish thing to do, and has zero effect on negotiations, it’s an example of first world one percenters having a tantrum, absolutely pathetic on its best day. 

 

unlike this forum, the paragon of grown men not having meltdowns online on a daily basis. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Malazan

[Doc]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

He was on some decent teams.  Comparing talent, I this this Jets team is just as talented. 
 

The guy has won a Super Bowl.  He’s arguably one of the greatest QBs of all time.  He beat out allen for MVP 2 of the last 3 years. Sure, he’s declining, but who else were they going to get?  They needed a QB and they got the best one available. 

 

Not sure why anyone would frown on what they did. 

 

I agree they got the best one available.  But it's only a success if they won the SB.  Time will tell on this one regardless of how it looks right now.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

It’s a childish thing to do, and has zero effect on negotiations, it’s an example of first world one percenters having a tantrum, absolutely pathetic on its best day. 

I mean I’d argue that our politicians are even more pathetic with this crap. 

22 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

unlike this forum, the paragon of grown men not having meltdowns online on a daily basis. 

We live in a world where 24 year old athletes are held to higher standards than 40 year old men 😂 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I agree they got the best one available.  But it's only a success if they won the SB.  Time will tell on this one regardless of how it looks right now.

Obviously.  Same goes for every team in the league.  
 

Being an afc team with a very good roster is useless when you don’t have a qb.  They were one qb away from being a SB contender and got the only one that would accomplish that.  The way I see it, drafting and developing a rookie qb, considering how poor this qb class was, likely would’ve ended up in drafting a QB not SB worthy for at least 2-3 years….and likely never worthy imo.  

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

I hope he holds out and gets big money to further destroy their cap structure............have I ever indicated how much I detest the JESTS

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Obviously.  Same goes for every team in the league.  
 

Being an afc team with a very good roster is useless when you don’t have a qb.  They were one qb away from being a SB contender and got the only one that would accomplish that.  The way I see it, drafting and developing a rookie qb, considering how poor this qb class was, likely would’ve ended up in drafting a QB not SB worthy for at least 2-3 years….and likely never worthy imo.  

 

This was ostensibly their best option since the draft was poor at QB and they weren't in position to get any of the top prospects anyway.  But Rodgers is coming off his worst season statistically in 10 years.  Sign of decline or one-off?  We'll see.

[Goin Breakdown]

Scrubbing socials seems a lot like what sticking our tongues was when I was little. Then eventually the finger went up and maybe a fight happened. The more I type the more I think it's actually not like this at all. Carry on. 

Edited May 16, 2023 by Goin Breakdown

[machine gun kelly]

7 hours ago, wppete said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/15/quinnen-williams-scrubs-jets-from-his-twitter-page/
 

Social media has become a tool for sending messages. And Jets defensive tackle Quinnen Williams has sent a pointed one to his current team.

Williams has removed any reference to the Jets from his Twitter page. After the title “Defensive Tackle for,” there is now a stream of periods.

 

The move comes at a time when Williams is boycotting voluntary offseason workouts as he tries to get a new deal. Recent reports have suggested that a major gap remains between the parties’ positions.

The defensive tackle market currently has Aaron Donald of the Rams far and away above the others, at $31.667 million annually. More than $8 million per year below Donald is Titans defensive tackle Jeffery Simmons, at $23.5 million. Commanders defensive tackle Daron Payne and Giants defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence are next, at $22.5 million.

So where does Williams want to land in the gap between Simmons and Donald? That’s likely the issue between the Jets and Williams. And, currently, Williams is making it clear he’s not happy with where things stand.

Pete:

 

Not towards you, but him…

 

 

As of a team gives a rat’s ars wherher a player follows c, y, z on social media.

 

mgmt could care less.  He’s an idiot.

[DCofNC]

Let him play out this year, let Oliver walk and replace him with Q, who should have been the pick in the first place.  

[Doc]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

Let him play out this year, let Oliver walk and replace him with Q, who should have been the pick in the first place.  

 

Huh?  QW was the 3rd overall pick that year.

[NewEra]

50 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

This was ostensibly their best option since the draft was poor at QB and they weren't in position to get any of the top prospects anyway.  But Rodgers is coming off his worst season statistically in 10 years.  Sign of decline or one-off?  We'll see.

Just a year removed from back to back mvps-  even a declining Rodgers can be enough.  I think he’ll be rejuvenated but there’s definitely a chance we see another regression. 

[julian]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

that is definitely a horrible spot to be in…..if they didn’t win a Lombardi and can’t get a decent QB when AR steps away.  But right now, they have something to get excited about.  That’s all you can ask for as a fan and a team.  To have a chance to win a Super Bowl.  The Jets definitely have that imo.  1, maybe 2 or 3 shots. Nfl is not for long-  you can’t just plan long term.  Especially if you don’t have a QB.  They didn’t have a QB and they didn’t have a chance to win a Super Bowl.  Now they have both.  At the expense of salary cap and/or draft picks.  Per usual.  
 

they have some elite type players on rookie deals-  they made a smart play imo.  He was the only QB that changed teams that would’ve made them a SB contender imo.  Carr, nah. Slimmy G, hell nah.  Mariota, stidham, Dalton?  No.  

I’m not saying it wasn’t the right move, I’m just saying if it doesn’t result into a deep run and then Rodgers is out the door after this year or next and all those elite rookies are looking for their bag and now you have no QB.

 

thats a tough spot.

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean I’d argue that our politicians are even more pathetic with this crap. 

We live in a world where 24 year old athletes are held to higher standards than 40 year old men 😂 

There is a lot of pathetic to go around,