2023 offense has potential to be best in Bills history

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Dopey said:

Adding another weapon puts more pressure on Allen? OK, I'm Dopey and this has gone way over my head, but, what?

 

13-3 last year, even with an elbow injury to Josh that limited the types of throws he could manage. Josh injured his elbow during our loss to the Jets. Even with Josh not playing his best, we went on an 8 game winning streak after the injury, before the loss to the Bengals. This would include a playoff win with an inured Josh. We've got the players. Allen was hardly playing MVP ball after the injury. Not sure how you can't see it.

Pretty simple really. Receivers don't pass the ball to themselves. If you load up on receivers, it means even more of your offense is dependent on a guy to get them the ball vs a running back and offensive line that can win games with poor/average quarterback play.

[Success]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Pretty simple really. Receivers don't pass the ball to themselves. If you load up on receivers, it means even more of your offense is dependent on a guy to get them the ball vs a running back and offensive line that can win games with poor/average quarterback play.

 

Have you seen much of Damien Harris?  He's had injury issues, but I remember being ticked when he was a rookie that the Pats had such a good back. We haven't had a runner like him since the drought days.

 

We've also improved the line, though not in a huge way. I'd expect to see a pick go toward that tonight.

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Success said:

 

Have you seen much of Damien Harris?  He's had injury issues, but I remember being ticked when he was a rookie that the Pats had such a good back. We haven't had a runner like him since the drought days.

 

We've also improved the line, though not in a huge way. I'd expect to see a pick go toward that tonight.

He's a good back and I like him, but I see him as a complimentary piece. If Josh were to go down or just not have a great day, I don't see them being able to lean on him (or Cook) the way teams can with guys like Henry, D. Cook, Jacobs, Chubb.

There's no doubt we're in a passing league and have been, but I feel like a dominant rushing attack gives your offense a whole other dimension that another receiver doesn't. Granted there's only 3-4 of those guys int he league, so i get not making it a priority.

[Wizard]

Yes...Josh Allen is better than Jim Kelly, but these Bills are not close enough to comparing better offenses.

 

Kelly, Thomas, Lofton, Reed, K. Davis, Hull, Ballard and Wolford is much stronger than...

 

Allen, Diggs...and a few people with potential 

[PBF81]

21 hours ago, Success said:

This was a sneaky good offseason for our offense.

 

Kincaid brings a versatility we didn't have at TE, and will create match-up nightmares for opposing DC's.  The additions of Sherfield and Harty were low key, but give us even more versatility, speed, YAC - and all 3 new additions have great hands, which is something we lacked in '22.

 

Then you go to the RB unit. Damien Harris is the best RB we have had in years, with Cook coming into his 2nd year after coming on strong at the end of last season.  They complement each other well.

 

If Davis can get back to form, and Brown takes the leap and realizes his potential - this team could have the best offense in the league, and the best we've seen in Buffalo.  And I loved the K-Gun days, but this O could be better.

 

Don't overrated Harris, but that aside, what would it be that prevents that potential from becoming reality?  

 

 

14 hours ago, Success said:

 

Have you seen much of Damien Harris?  He's had injury issues, but I remember being ticked when he was a rookie that the Pats had such a good back. We haven't had a runner like him since the drought days.

 

We've also improved the line, though not in a huge way. I'd expect to see a pick go toward that tonight.

 

Do t overrated Harris, some of his best games were against us, but he's been a pretty average RB at best.

[PBF81]

19 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

The last 3 seasons the Bills have had 3 of their best 5 all time offenses. How has that worked out when the games actually mattered?

Our offense generally hasn't been a problem outside of Allen's elbow injury. How much better do we get by adding more pass catchers? If the goal was to take pressure off of Allen, this just puts more on him, imo.

Maybe if we had some players that could win games for us even when Allen wasn't playing MVP ball, that would finally get us over the hump.

 

Diggs disappeared in four of our last five playoff games.  He gets paid way too much to do that.  

 

 

19 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

No blocking....no success.

This team wont succeed int he playoffs 

 

 

The blocking appears to be on track for improvement.  The question is by how much and whether it will be enough.  

 

 

[nucci]

1975, 1980, 1991...probably better and more balanced

 

sneaky good...whatever that means

Edited April 29, 2023 by nucci

[Chicken Boo]

The table is set.  This is a better offense on paper than last year.  

 

It's all down to coaching and execution.  

[oldmanfan]

Should be a great offense, but better than the SB era?  With HOFers in Kelly, Thomas, Reed and Lofton?  Easy now.

[Chicken Boo]

23 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I like the optimism but the rb room leaves a lot to be desired

 

 

I think we have exactly what we need, health permitting, and if they're utilized properly.  

 

There is ZERO reason James Cook shouldn't have 400+ yards receiving this season.  Anything less is a failure on Dorsey's part.  

[Meatloaf63]

19 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Pretty simple really. Receivers don't pass the ball to themselves. If you load up on receivers, it means even more of your offense is dependent on a guy to get them the ball vs a running back and offensive line that can win games with poor/average quarterback play.

Not sure tgat you have noticed, but our offense has been pretty reliant on the Qb the last 4 years🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[BullBuchanan]

34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Should be a great offense, but better than the SB era?  With HOFers in Kelly, Thomas, Reed and Lofton?  Easy now.

Outside of Thurman, none of those guys were that good.

 

Reed is maybe the most overrated Bill in history. Diggs is far better.

Kelly is a close second. Not sure I'd have him in the top 30 QBs all time. Allen is far better in every ability.

Lofton was well past his prime, despite playing very well for us.

4 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Not sure tgat you have noticed, but our offense has been pretty reliant on the Qb the last 4 years🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I have noticed, and last year it was a problem. When Allen hurt his elbow, the only choice we had was to make him throw the ball 40 times a game anyway. Derrick Henry would have fixed that issue.

[Meatloaf63]

19 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Outside of Thurman, none of those guys were that good.

 

Reed is maybe the most overrated Bill in history. Diggs is far better.

Kelly is a close second. Not sure I'd have him in the top 30 QBs all time. Allen is far better in every ability.

Lofton was well past his prime, despite playing very well for us.

I have noticed, and last year it was a problem. When Allen hurt his elbow, the only choice we had was to make him throw the ball 40 times a game anyway. Derrick Henry would have fixed that issue.

Some of the worst analysis I’ve ever seen. if Derrick Henry could have carried a team to the Superbowl, why has he failed to elevate the Titans? How would he have helped an injured Allen, he couldn’t even carry a Healthy Qb over the years. They should have rolled even with  Tanahill as the Qb but it didn’t happen. Reed over rated? Just dumb🤦‍♂️

[oldmanfan]

27 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Outside of Thurman, none of those guys were that good.

 

Reed is maybe the most overrated Bill in history. Diggs is far better.

Kelly is a close second. Not sure I'd have him in the top 30 QBs all time. Allen is far better in every ability.

Lofton was well past his prime, despite playing very well for us.

I have noticed, and last year it was a problem. When Allen hurt his elbow, the only choice we had was to make him throw the ball 40 times a game anyway. Derrick Henry would have fixed that issue.

You have got to be either drunk, stoned, or kidding.

[BullBuchanan]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You have got to be either drunk, stoned, or kidding.

 

14 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Some of the worst analysis I’ve ever seen. if Derrick Henry could have carried a team to the Superbowl, why has he failed to elevate the Titans? How would he have helped an injured Allen, he couldn’t even carry a Healthy Qb over the years. They should have rolled even with  Tanahill as the Qb but it didn’t happen. Reed over rated? Just dumb🤦‍♂️

Reed NEVER had back to back 1000 yard seasons. He hit 10 TDs only ONCE in his career and had 8 Seasons with 5 TDs or less. Stevie Johnson had a higher consistency of production. If you have a fact-based argument that Reed is better than Diggs I'd love to hear it.

I also never said Derrick Henry could carry a team to a Super Bowl. What I said is that he can carry games by himself, which is factually true. He's carried Tannehill and co over his career to be top seed when they had no business being there. The plan isn't to get a guy like Henry and cut Allen, it's to have both.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Reed NEVER had back to back 1000 yard seasons. He hit 10 TDs only ONCE in his career and had 8 Seasons with 5 TDs or less. Stevie Johnson had a higher consistency of production. If you have a fact-based argument that Reed is better than Diggs I'd love to hear it.

I also never said Derrick Henry could carry a team to a Super Bowl. What I said is that he can carry games by himself, which is factually true. He's carried Tannehill and co over his career to be top seed when they had no business being there. The plan isn't to get a guy like Henry and cut Allen, it's to have both.

Why do I have to say one is better than the other?

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Should be a great offense, but better than the SB era?  With HOFers in Kelly, Thomas, Reed and Lofton?  Easy now.

17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You have got to be either drunk, stoned, or kidding.

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Why do I have to say one is better than the other?

Because you already did. Or did you forget?
 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

16 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Because you already did. Or did you forget?
 

 

 

No I didn’t.  I said you can’t say this year’s offense will be better than the SB era.  You are the one trying to compare players against each other.  Reed was great, invented the slot receiver.  Diggs is great, he’s a HOFer 

[FireChans]

I'm reserving judgment.  I am hopeful for better OL play.

 

I don't like the Kincaid pick at all.  Dorsey could barely get Knox involved last year.  Now he has to get a second TE involved?  What's the over/under on how many balls Kincaid gets next year?  30 catches?

[GreggTX]

I wouldn't say that Harris is any better than Singletary, but he's no worse and he's a better fit. I also think we're weak at 1 Guard spot even with Torrence whom I expect to be our best Offensive Lineman. I'm not at all impressed with any of the other Guards on our roster. Still, it's Brown's 3rd year and he's healthy, so that bodes well. Also, I think Torrence brings a very positive outlook to the OL room that should lift performances across the board. If we sign even an average MLB or trade for one and even land Hopkins to pay us back for Hail Murray, this team is going to be as good as any in recent memory.

 

Josh obviously needs to reduce the turnovers after leading the NFL in that category last year, but he can do that for these reasons. For one, he can slide more and wrap up the ball much better. That should reduce fumbles. Also, throwing from a clean pocket and having better skill players along with a more productive ground game should help him reduce interceptions.

 

I'm surprised we didn't trade up for one of the 2 quality MLB's left in the 3rd, but perhaps Beane just wasn't able to find the right deal. I believe we'll be OK if we just get a veteran MLB with decent speed and cover skills as well as a pass rusher to hold down Von's spot until he's ready to go.

Edited April 29, 2023 by GreggTX

[Southern_Bills]

On 4/28/2023 at 9:40 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean sure but we have had some awesome offenses. I like the optimism but the rb room leaves a lot to be desired and we need a legit #2 receiver. However without a doubt, it is possibly our best TE room next to mark campbell and Tim Euhus!!!

 

 

If they can actually attack with the TEs Gabe might just be open more.

[hondo in seattle]

On 4/29/2023 at 11:13 AM, GreggTX said:

I wouldn't say that Harris is any better than Singletary, but he's no worse and he's a better fit. I also think we're weak at 1 Guard spot even with Torrence whom I expect to be our best Offensive Lineman. I'm not at all impressed with any of the other Guards on our roster. Still, it's Brown's 3rd year and he's healthy, so that bodes well. Also, I think Torrence brings a very positive outlook to the OL room that should lift performances across the board. If we sign even an average MLB or trade for one and even land Hopkins to pay us back for Hail Murray, this team is going to be as good as any in recent memory.

 

Josh obviously needs to reduce the turnovers after leading the NFL in that category last year, but he can do that for these reasons. For one, he can slide more and wrap up the ball much better. That should reduce fumbles. Also, throwing from a clean pocket and having better skill players along with a more productive ground game should help him reduce interceptions.

 

I'm surprised we didn't trade up for one of the 2 quality MLB's left in the 3rd, but perhaps Beane just wasn't able to find the right deal. I believe we'll be OK if we just get a veteran MLB with decent speed and cover skills as well as a pass rusher to hold down Von's spot until he's ready to go.

 

Statistically, Harris isn't better than Singletary.  Yet, when I've watched Harris run, I felt he was bigger, faster, stronger, and more explosive.  Maybe it's because Harris has played well against the Bills, but he looks like a better back to me.  

 

We've seen so many opponents to stop the pass with nickel and dime defenses and various blitz packages.  I never got the sense that opposing defenses took our running game very seriously.  If Dorsey schemes it up right, I think they will this year.  And that will make Josh's job easier.  

[PBF81]

53 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Statistically, Harris isn't better than Singletary.  Yet, when I've watched Harris run, I felt he was bigger, faster, stronger, and more explosive.  Maybe it's because Harris has played well against the Bills, but he looks like a better back to me.  

 

We've seen so many opponents to stop the pass with nickel and dime defenses and various blitz packages.  I never got the sense that opposing defenses took our running game very seriously.  If Dorsey schemes it up right, I think they will this year.  And that will make Josh's job easier.  

 

Definitely bigger and I agree that he's more explosive, but he doesn't strike me as being faster.  Singletary's shiftier too.  

 

His best games were against us, which is why I'm guessing that they liked him, a little blindered vision there IMO.  Also a disproportionate number of his rushing TDs were against us.  In about 10% of his games he posted 25% of his TDs.  Against all other teams besides us he's averaged only 4.4 ypc which is very average.  

 

Singletary's yards-from-scrimmage are nearly twice what Harris' are.  IMO we're going to miss Singletary.  I don't see Harris being anymore than a low-end starting caliber RB.  If I had to compare him to one of our past RBs, the one that comes to mind is Antowain Smith.  I suspect that they're planning on using Cook as the 3-down starter, how he fares in that role remains to be seen.  The most carries he's ever gotten in a season is 113 at Georgia.  The most carries he's ever seen in a game is 14, last season vs. the Pats.  

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 4/28/2023 at 7:55 AM, Process said:

If the season started tomorrow, the offense is already significantly better than last year. We have upgraded LG, Slot WR, WR5, RB and "TE2". Added speed, added a potentially elite weapon. I really like what Beane has done. 

 

It wasn't a great FA/draft for teams needing a starting WR. So I am good adding Kinclaid and waiting until next year. 

 

To me though, replacing Brown was a must, not a luxury. Doesn't matter who is running routes if Josh is running for his life. 

 

Maybe it's coming in round 2. But if we are running it back with Brown, I hope he proves Beane right. 

I am excited about the new offensive additions but we're still stuck with a very mediocre RT who's more than capable of getting Josh hurt.  And I'm still very skeptical about Dorsey's 2nd year.

[Mr. WEO]

I’ve read this before…

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I’ve read this before…

I suspect you shall again…about this time next year. 

[Airseven]

On 4/28/2023 at 7:56 AM, ngbills said:

With JA anything is possible. But there is nothing we have done this off season to take a best ever leap. Still questions on OL, WR, RB. If they go get DHop I could entertain the debate. 

How is anything possible with Allen? Did you watch him last year? Your second point is valid and it’s tough to swallow at this point that this regime didn’t commit - all in - on revamping the OL.

[T master]

I believe that this is a very possible statement for the Bills offense Beane has done some more of the things he does & i feel the weapons he has added & given those he has brought in on the O line once they get figured out who will stay & who will go will help immensely both in the passing & the run game .

[PrimeTime101]

9 hours ago, Airseven said:

How is anything possible with Allen? Did you watch him last year? Your second point is valid and it’s tough to swallow at this point that this regime didn’t commit - all in - on revamping the OL.

Answer 2 questions please.

Is Josh Allen a top 5 QB?

Can a team at any given year win a SB with a top 5 QB?

[Shaw66]

Well, I'll chime in.  

 

Yes, the Bills 2023 offense could be the best in Bills history.  If it all comes together, it could be a beautiful thing.   The question, of course, is whether it will come together.

 

I've been talking a lot lately about McDermott's desire for position versatility.   He wants a lot of guys who can do a lot of different things, on the assumption that he can mix and match pieces to allow the Bills offense and defense each to play a lot of different ways.  He thinks that by doing that, the Bills will be a power running team when they need it, a finesse passing team when they need it, and everything in between.   He envisions a team where his personnel create mismatches on every play, and a team that knows how to take advantage of each mismatch.  That would be a beautiful thing, but the question is whether the Bills can accomplish that, or whether it's even possible.

 

If it's possible, then on offense Dorsey has to be the one to pull it all together.   He has to find a way to make the passing game click with what is a very interesting collection of receivers.   He's got size (Davis, Shorter, Knox, Kincaid), maddening one-on-one matchup problems (Diggs and Harty), he's got Shakir doing a bit of everything.  He has to develop a genuinely good running game that the Bills can depend on when they need it.   In order to do that the Bills have gone away from the jackknife-style running back (Singletary, who could do a little of everything, but wasn't good enough as a pass receiver, as a speed back, or as a power back) and instead put together an array of backs with complementary or different styles.  Hines is the speed back, Harris is the power back, Cook is a speed back with enough power to play every down, and Murray is the power back with enough speed to play every down.   The roster is versatile to the max, and Dorsey has to make it work.   

 

Making it work, of course, means the o-line has to work.  And on the o-line, of course, the Bills have been trying to play the versatility game, as well.  Dawkins isn't the best pass blocker or the best run blocker among LTs, put he's pretty good all around.  Morse isn't a power guy, but he's good glue and leadership, and he can move well.  Torrence is presumptively the power guy.  Brown is the jackknife on the line, along with Bates.   Whether constructing a line that way actually can work is, well, up to Dorsey.  He's the one who has to pull it together (with Kromer, of course).  

 

I think the discussion about Harris really brings into focus this idea about versatility.   McBeane thought a versatile guy like Motor could be good enough in the power back role, and they thought a more muscular version of Motor (Moss) was all they needed.  They thought that by being a multi-purpose threat, Motor would force the defenses to hedge their bets a bit, creating opportunities for Motor to make power runs.   I think they decided that that theory doesn't work, because in obvious run situations, defenses were willing to ignore Motor's multi-purpose style and stop him, because he was in fact an undersized power back.  Same with Moss.  McBeane have gone away from that with Harris.  They want to use Harris, I assume, like the Pats did, which is to force defenses to respect the fact that he will run you over and then take advantage of the fact that he had just enough speed and shiftiness to beat you for a few yards with finesse.   And Murray runs with that style, too, with a little less power and a little more finesse.  

 

But for that to work, it begs the same question about the offensive line.  Can you win with a bunch of hybrid players, or do you need a true road grader to run behind?   Same for pass blockers?   Drafting Torrence is a move away from versatility and toward players with special skills that create an advantage without being uber-versatile.  Can you get the best of both worlds with Brown and Torrence side-by-side, or do you just have an ugly mismatch that allows defenses to attack the weaknesses of both?   

 

In my darkest moments, I worried that McBeane are playing mad scientist and the laboratory is about to blow up any minute now.   Still, I can see how it all can come together and in fact be the best offense the Bills have ever had. 

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

On 4/29/2023 at 12:23 AM, Wizard said:

Yes...Josh Allen is better than Jim Kelly, but these Bills are not close enough to comparing better offenses.

 

Kelly, Thomas, Lofton, Reed, K. Davis, Hull, Ballard and Wolford is much stronger than...

 

Allen, Diggs...and a few people with potential 

 

 Yet, I believe 1991 was Buffalo's best offense with Kelly & the gang and they fall about 110 yards short of the Bills 2022 offense. I haven't looked at every year, but I believe last year was the most ypg ever by a Bills offense, beating out the 2020 offense by 18 yards for the year.

 

 People act like we didn't excel at moving the ball last year, but the stats don't lie when they encompass an entire year. What we didn't do so well last year was in areas such as redzone turnovers and kicking a bunch of short fgs.

 

 

 

[Bookie Man]

On 5/7/2023 at 11:22 AM, PBF81 said:

 

Definitely bigger and I agree that he's more explosive, but he doesn't strike me as being faster.  Singletary's shiftier too.  

 

His best games were against us, which is why I'm guessing that they liked him, a little blindered vision there IMO.  Also a disproportionate number of his rushing TDs were against us.  In about 10% of his games he posted 25% of his TDs.  Against all other teams besides us he's averaged only 4.4 ypc which is very average.  

 

Singletary's yards-from-scrimmage are nearly twice what Harris' are.  IMO we're going to miss Singletary.  I don't see Harris being anymore than a low-end starting caliber RB.  If I had to compare him to one of our past RBs, the one that comes to mind is Antowain Smith.  I suspect that they're planning on using Cook as the 3-down starter, how he fares in that role remains to be seen.  The most carries he's ever gotten in a season is 113 at Georgia.  The most carries he's ever seen in a game is 14, last season vs. the Pats.  

 

 

I might be mistaken, but I remember Antowain Smith being kind of a beast. 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Alpo Chino said:

I might be mistaken, but I remember Antowain Smith being kind of a beast. 

 

He was your typical 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust type.  Reliable to get a short-yardage 1st-down, but never a threat to take it to the house type.  

[BigAl2526]

On 4/28/2023 at 10:34 AM, CA OC Bills Fan said:

I was thinking last night while many were pointing out that we now have two TEs with DK initials that back in 1989 we introduced a new offence named "K Gun" which was named after our dynamic pass catching TE Keith McKeller. Now of course we have two more 'Ks'.

Is 2023 the year of the "Double K Gun?"

[BigAl2526]

I'm hopeful, but then I'm pretty much always hopeful.  We can't say for certain that Spencer Brown will be better, but it is not hard to understand why he failed to have a good season in 2022.  The other question at tackle is Tommy Doyle.  Of course, he missed the entire last season, but he was regarded as a pretty athletic guy.  We don't know that he will develop and be much better than he was two years ago as a  rookie, but we don't know that he won't either.   The disappointing performance of Roger Saffold is all too familiar to Bills fans.  It would be hard for Buffalo to do worse in 2023.  We all know that Buffalo did not sign any high priced free agent guards.  They did, however, sign two veterans with starting experience.  The also drafted arguably the best pure guard in the draft in O'Cyrus Torrence.  I imagine that the Bills will have something like an open competition for both guard spots, but I think most would have a hard time thinking that Torrence doesn't end up with one starting post locked up, probably tight guard.  That means Bates will be fighting to retain his starting spot with two other guys that are legitimate competition to start.  I don't think Bates is the favorite in that competition, but Bates does have an ace up his sleeve.  Bates can potentially back up four out of the five spots on the offensive line, and he might be the second best center on the team.  If he doesn't win the starting left guard spot, he's not going anywhere.   

 

I think it would be almost impossible for the offensive line not to be better than in 2022.  The question is how much better, whether it is only a little better or a lot better.  That remains to be seen. 

[Success]

22 hours ago, Airseven said:

How is anything possible with Allen? Did you watch him last year? Your second point is valid and it’s tough to swallow at this point that this regime didn’t commit - all in - on revamping the OL.

 

"All in?"

 

You wanted to see every lineman replaced?  With better linemen?

 

[Chandler#81]

I enjoy Bills optimism as much as the next fan, but I don’t share @Success views for this season. Not yet, anyway. 
 

Here’s why.

#1 The AFC is absolutely loaded -as is our Division. We had an injury-ladened comeuppance last year and we showed we don’t have and can’t afford better quality backups. 
#2 Frazier is gone. Say what you will about bend don’t break, they were the failing aspect in the playoffs every year. Sean came through the ranks with 7 seasons under Jim Johnson with Philly until his untimely death, taking over for 1 year at DC. He claims this Defense will be much more aggressive, but the giant Eagle span is gone in the middle, so QBs will once again be fearless throwing over the middle. How are we going to be ‘aggressive’ with a stable of 1 year interior DL when we haven’t been for 4 years straight? Will another jarring hit to the neck shelf Hyde for another season -or his career? We have to seriously begin to address the Safety spot and frankly, Hamlin was unimpressive in his 1st year. 
#3 Dawkins is an over-rated tub of goo. Is he our best OLman? Allen makes them all seem serviceable but none are dominant. 
#4 We let our leading rusher over the past 4 seasons walk without even trying. Hines rarely saw the field sans STs. 4 different style RBs behind a convoluted OL? 

#5 Does Dorsey even know what a ‘F’ TE is? He never played with one, never coached one and never drew up a play for one. With just 1 season as OC, his play calling actually devolved over the season to ‘just let Josh be Josh’. A Bill Walsh he ain’t.

#5 WNY weather.

#6 Brit Williams leaving Josh on the day of the Cincy playoff game (allegedly) explains a lot about his performance. A 10 year+ intimate relationship doesn’t disappear immediately. Hell, she has his dog!

 

I’m hopeful for the playoffs but I fear our best opportunity has slipped by with this group. Allen is young enough that we may still be able to re-invent another group to try again before he retires..

🤷‍♂️

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

The 1975 Bills were number 1 in yards and number 1 in points scored. Pretty high standard to meet!

[SoMAn]

On 4/28/2023 at 10:23 AM, Success said:

This was a sneaky good offseason for our offense.

 

Kincaid brings a versatility we didn't have at TE, and will create match-up nightmares for opposing DC's.  The additions of Sherfield and Harty were low key, but give us even more versatility, speed, YAC - and all 3 new additions have great hands, which is something we lacked in '22.

 

Then you go to the RB unit. Damien Harris is the best RB we have had in years, with Cook coming into his 2nd year after coming on strong at the end of last season.  They complement each other well.

 

If Davis can get back to form, and Brown takes the leap and realizes his potential - this team could have the best offense in the league, and the best we've seen in Buffalo.  And I loved the K-Gun days, but this O could be better.

And IF Josh improves ball placement so it doesn’t need to be scooped from the turf, high-pointed, or have the WR slow up to catch the pass that should’ve been thrown 3 yards further.  

[Scott7975]

On 4/28/2023 at 10:40 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean sure but we have had some awesome offenses. I like the optimism but the rb room leaves a lot to be desired and we need a legit #2 receiver. However without a doubt, it is possibly our best TE room next to mark campbell and Tim Euhus!!!

 

 

We have a legit #2 receiver.   People just expect that #2 to be a #1b.  Getting Hopkins would have been a 1b, not a legit #2.