NFL draft rumors 2023

[MrEpsYtown]

Watching McDermott’s presser, when he describes what he is looking for in a mike, he described all the characteristics that Jack Campbell has. And Campbell is probably one of the only guys in the draft with those traits. He even made a mini joke about football instincts.
 

Then he was asked about Campbell training with Kuechly and he smirked with a 💩 eating grin and said he hasn’t spoken to Luke. So either McDermott has suddenly become an amazing actor or he really likes Campbell. 
 

Now I am not necessarily saying they will target him in the first round or whatever. I just don’t see any scenario in which they don’t love that guy. He is exactly what they want, a guy who is in the right place, who gets everyone lined up, wears the dot, is a leader on the defense and communicates. Just my 2 cents. Not an actual rumor. 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

14 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

If he were on the Bills now, having been aquired by a trade up, was injured and didn't play much, and now the 6 game suspension.....would you trade him away?  I doubt it.

 

 

I hadn't considered it...........but the Bills would not if they thought it was just a dumb mistake and not a result of a potential gambling problem. 

 

The Lions might.   They traded TJ Hockenson which made even less sense.

 

The Bills did have a star receiving back in the 1980's........Ronnie Harmon........who had been accused of throwing a Rose Bowl game with 4 fumbles............and then later had a pass go thru his hands at the end of the 1989 wildcard game in Cleveland which cost the super-talented Bills a victory..........and he was dropped like a bad habit weeks later with zero compensation.   Harmon went on to catch nearly 400 more passes  for San Diego with a remarkable 10+ yards per catch average but nobody in Buffalo ever lamented his loss for one second.    Players who are a gambling risk are pretty worthless regardless of talent.

 

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-06-29-sp-25-story.html

Edited April 23, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[jahnyc]

If the Bills are looking to fill immediate needs and imminent needs (i.e., 2024 needs), I think the top three picks will be some combination of ILB, DT and OT.  We have a current hole at ILB, no DTs signed for 2024 (and I doubt we re-sign Oliver), and we need a swing OT (plus we need better overall play at OT and both Dawkins and Brown are free agents after 2024).  We do need to upgrade at WR, so that of course may be a top three pick, but I believe the current needs are greater at these other positions.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Watching McDermott’s presser, when he describes what he is looking for in a mike, he described all the characteristics that Jack Campbell has. And Campbell is probably one of the only guys in the draft with those traits. He even made a mini joke about football instincts.
 

Then he was asked about Campbell training with Kuechly and he smirked with a 💩 eating grin and said he hasn’t spoken to Luke. So either McDermott has suddenly become an amazing actor or he really likes Campbell. 
 

Now I am not necessarily saying they will target him in the first round or whatever. I just don’t see any scenario in which they don’t love that guy. He is exactly what they want, a guy who is in the right place, who gets everyone lined up, wears the dot, is a leader on the defense and communicates. Just my 2 cents. Not an actual rumor. 

 

 

I’d rather just start Klein and invest everything into the Offense

 

 

 

 

 

 

6’2  220  and has elite top speed

 

could Mingo go late 1st?

Edited April 23, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[OldTimer1960]

This thread is very long, so don’t know if this was posted, but I heard on SeriusXM NFL radio that Jordan Addison was even lighter at his pro day than the 173 he weighed at the combine.  Supposedly weighed an even 170 at his pro day.

 

I love Addison’s route running, but 170 is super small for an NFL WR.  As much as I want them to get help at WR, I’m not sure if I’d have the nerve to draft Addison or Flowers in round 1 and I just don’t like Quentin Johnston.

3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Watching McDermott’s presser, when he describes what he is looking for in a mike, he described all the characteristics that Jack Campbell has. And Campbell is probably one of the only guys in the draft with those traits. He even made a mini joke about football instincts.
 

Then he was asked about Campbell training with Kuechly and he smirked with a 💩 eating grin and said he hasn’t spoken to Luke. So either McDermott has suddenly become an amazing actor or he really likes Campbell. 
 

Now I am not necessarily saying they will target him in the first round or whatever. I just don’t see any scenario in which they don’t love that guy. He is exactly what they want, a guy who is in the right place, who gets everyone lined up, wears the dot, is a leader on the defense and communicates. Just my 2 cents. Not an actual rumor. 

 

 

I think Campbell’s intangibles are top notch and he is experienced.  I understand that at 27 in this draft they will be doing well to find a decent to above average eventual starter, but Campbell just feels like a consolation prize.  Problem is, I’m not crazy about Simpson or Sanders, either.

Edited April 23, 2023 by OldTimer1960

[NewEra]

19 hours ago, Doc said:

 

In college, before he tore his ACL.  And now he has a gambling suspension.  He'll have to show something, anything, before even considering trading a day 3 pick for him right now.

This is crazy talk

[Beck Water]

19 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

Last years draft was the time to take a stud WR but Beane chose to take another RB. Cook is fine but I think all of us would’ve been more stoked to go into this year with Pickens opposite Diggs instead of Cook in the backfield

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Or Christian Watson, who was always going to take a bit of time, but had over 500 yards in the final 8 games of last season and you could have had him ready to go by playoff time. I liked Pickens too, but Watson was the guy I really wanted them to consider where they were last year. He felt like their kind of prospect too, raw, but incredible ceiling. 

 

And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

This thread is very long, so don’t know if this was posted, but I heard on SeriusXM NFL radio that Jordan Addison was even lighter at his pro day than the 173 he weighed at the combine.  Supposedly weighed an even 170 at his pro day.

 

Isn't 3 lbs like, whether or not the guy has chugged a bottle of gatorade and had big meal recently, while waiting to take a dump until after the weigh in? 

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2023 by Beck Water

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

 

And again - Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

 

Yes that was the discussion at the time.......I remember discussing it with GB.........Watson late first was not a reach in terms of talent.

 

Beane was really thirsty for a CB though.   Turned out to be a very deep draft of CB's..........which it also appeared to be at the time, fwiw.

 

Could they have drafted a CB who could have split snaps with Benford early in the season with that 4th rounder they used to trade up and been fine?

 

Yep.  

 

Hopefully Elam pans out big-time........he's a young pup compared to Watson so there is that...........but thinking "need" in a deep draft class is a good way to end up looking like you didn't do your homework.

Edited April 23, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

 

And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

 

Isn't 3 lbs like, whether or not the guy has chugged a bottle of gatorade and had big meal recently, while waiting to take a dump until after the weigh in? 

 

 

 

I was pretty sure I had read a draft profile on Addison where he was listed at 180 lbs, but I just checked a few and they all say 173. I think you have to take him if he is there at 27. 

[whorlnut]

4 hours ago, jahnyc said:

If the Bills are looking to fill immediate needs and imminent needs (i.e., 2024 needs), I think the top three picks will be some combination of ILB, DT and OT.  We have a current hole at ILB, no DTs signed for 2024 (and I doubt we re-sign Oliver), and we need a swing OT (plus we need better overall play at OT and both Dawkins and Brown are free agents after 2024).  We do need to upgrade at WR, so that of course may be a top three pick, but I believe the current needs are greater at these other positions.

A “hole” at MLB?  Haha. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the Bills did just sign Klein. How is the need at WR any different than that with the underwhelming signings of Harty and Sherfield?  Another legit receiver takes us to the next level long before a MLBer does. 

[Doc]

9 hours ago, finn said:

So is the lazy reading habits of people on this board. Note the conditional tense in my post. And also note that the OP assumed Araiza hooked up with the "wrong girl." How about assuming her innocence? 

Her claims at the time were unbelievable.  With the link I provided, the time for assuming her innocence is long gone. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Doc

[NeverOutNick]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

 

 

Yeah, I knew that he was picked before the Bill second round selection but we know Brandon Beane loves to trade up. It was only a few spots I kept yelling at my TV. Pickens is still on the board trade up but sadly the TV didn’t listen.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

 

And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

 

Isn't 3 lbs like, whether or not the guy has chugged a bottle of gatorade and had big meal recently, while waiting to take a dump until after the weigh in? 

 

 

 

Well, a liter of water weighs 2.2 lbs, so yes.  However, it doesn’t change the fact that Addison (and several other WR in this draft are well below NFL size standards.  There are always exceptions to the rule, but you have to look very closely at those situations to avoid making big mistakes.  That being said, I am pretty confident that Addison’s floor is a pretty good slot receiver which ain’t bad, except round 1 is pretty steep for that.

[Dan in Owego]

5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’d rather just start Klein and invest everything into the Offense

 

 

 

 

 

 

6’2  220  and has elite top speed

 

could Mingo go late 1st?

Yes he could, in a draft like this traits over production start to pop up all over the place. A kind of swing for the fences mentality, and face it he brings traits to the table few can match.

7 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Well, a liter of water weighs 2.2 lbs, so yes.  However, it doesn’t change the fact that Addison (and several other WR in this draft are well below NFL size standards.  There are always exceptions to the rule, but you have to look very closely at those situations to avoid making big mistakes.  That being said, I am pretty confident that Addison’s floor is a pretty good slot receiver which ain’t bad, except round 1 is pretty steep for that.

Addison seems like an Emanuel Sanders clone to my eye, so that's pretty good, except Sanders was a third. Although bringing that up is hindsight lol and won't remotely affect his first round status.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

 

 

And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course.  Many of us here wanted them to do just that.  And we appear to have been right.

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Of course.  Many of us here wanted them to do just that.  And we appear to have been right.

I wanted the bills to wait on corner in a deep class and land woolen or Taylor Britt. Beane got antsy and moved up to get the last guy on their board instead of waiting. The idea that he is gonna trade back when we have a need at receiver this year is funny to me. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

I wanted the bills to wait on corner in a deep class and land woolen or Taylor Britt. Beane got antsy and moved up to get the last guy on their board instead of waiting. The idea that he is gonna trade back when we have a need at receiver this year is funny to me. 

They drafted to fill a (perceived) need…always a bad idea.  

[whorlnut]

Just now, mannc said:

They drafted to fill a (perceived) need…always a bad idea.  

Yep…and that’s why I laugh at the idea of BPA. Beane has never done that, but most of his apologists say he does. Now…I don’t necessarily think he reaches too far for players,but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t draft for need. This year will be interesting. I don’t think he will draft a LB before 2, but if he does, imo he deserves every ounce of criticism that he will get.

[bobobonators]

13 minutes ago, mannc said:

Of course.  Many of us here wanted them to do just that.  And we appear to have been right.

Many here also wanted Josh Rosen. 

[pennstate10]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is kind of all on Elam to me. If he becomes a true #1 corner for this team it will end up an okay draft. But the next two picks - Cook and Bernard - we are such low value spots that even if they went being good players it is unlikely to move the needle significantly. They'd have to become elite to really do that and I don't see it. I suppose Shakir or Benford could hit big but that is in the realms of a wing and a prayer. 

Gunner, really appreciate your work.

But…

While I agree that it’s unlikely Bernard will hit as a good player, I think Shakir, and Benford..especially Benford…could end up as multi-year starters.  Which in my opinion, is hitting big for 5-6 round guys. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said:

Yeah, I knew that he was picked before the Bill second round selection but we know Brandon Beane loves to trade up. It was only a few spots I kept yelling at my TV. Pickens is still on the board trade up but sadly the TV didn’t listen.

 

I think a better way to put it is Beane is willing to move around, but overall he wants to keep his picks.  It likely factored in that the Bills had already traded up for Elam.  Beane wanted to get a bit of draft capital by moving back.

 

He could have stayed pat or traded back in the 1st and drafted Watson, then Cam Taylor-Britt was available in the 2nd.  But that's 20-20 hindsight.

 

 

[mannc]

14 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Many here also wanted Josh Rosen. 

And many wanted Josh Allen

18 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Yep…and that’s why I laugh at the idea of BPA. Beane has never done that, but most of his apologists say he does. Now…I don’t necessarily think he reaches too far for players,but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t draft for need. This year will be interesting. I don’t think he will draft a LB before 2, but if he does, imo he deserves every ounce of criticism that he will get.

This year, I expect Beane to use the first round pick to fill the perceived need at DL/edge.  

[Zerovoltz]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I hadn't considered it...........but the Bills would not if they thought it was just a dumb mistake and not a result of a potential gambling problem. 

 

The Lions might.   They traded TJ Hockenson which made even less sense.

 

The Bills did have a star receiving back in the 1980's........Ronnie Harmon........who had been accused of throwing a Rose Bowl game with 4 fumbles............and then later had a pass go thru his hands at the end of the 1989 wildcard game in Cleveland which cost the super-talented Bills a victory..........and he was dropped like a bad habit weeks later with zero compensation.   Harmon went on to catch nearly 400 more passes  for San Diego with a remarkable 10+ yards per catch average but nobody in Buffalo ever lamented his loss for one second.    Players who are a gambling risk are pretty worthless regardless of talent.

 

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-06-29-sp-25-story.html

 

Well then wouldn't it stand to reason that if he were available for THAT reason, that he Bills should not want him?  

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

This year, I expect Beane to use the first round pick to fill the perceived need at DL/edge.  

 

DL could certainly be the pick at 27. Not because it's a glaring need though. Because DL is ALWAYS a need for every team all the time, and it's a premium position that has a huge impact on each game, and this draft in particular appears to have a lot of DL that fits into the late 1st/early 2nd grade bucket. It isn't likely that any one offensive player is going to be sticking out on the board at 27. It might be a scenario where we either draft DL, or reach down a full round grade just to pick offense for purported need. No question in my mind I'll take the highest graded player at a premium position every time in that scenario.

[whorlnut]

10 minutes ago, mannc said:

And many wanted Josh Allen

This year, I expect Beane to use the first round pick to fill the perceived need at DL/edge.  

Well I completely disagree. Most of the fanbase is just sick of the defense in the first narrative and I think Beane knows this is the year to help out his franchise qb. We watched weapons being the biggest need all season and losing edmunds shouldn’t change anything. That need still exists. I’m sorry, but Harty and Sherfield are nothing more than WR4/WR5 ST signings. They aren’t fitting into the long term plans of the team. Yes…there is no DT signed beyond this year, but other than Diggs (who will be 31 next season) and an unproven Shakir, the WR room has similar issues. This is a passing league and we have one of the top QBs in the game. Show the guy some good faith and get him some help. 

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

DL could certainly be the pick at 27. Not because it's a glaring need though. Because DL is ALWAYS a need for every team all the time, and it's a premium position that has a huge impact on each game, and this draft in particular appears to have a lot of DL that fits into the late 1st/early 2nd grade bucket. It isn't likely that any one offensive player is going to be sticking out on the board at 27. It might be a scenario where we either draft DL, or reach down a full round grade just to pick offense for purported need. No question in my mind I'll take the highest graded player at a premium position every time in that scenario.

Edge is a premium position.  Interior DL is not.  Other than a few guys like Jeffrey Simmons, Aaron Donald and Chris Jones, the position is filled with guys who can be replaced by free agents, without too much of a drop off.

[whorlnut]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

DL could certainly be the pick at 27. Not because it's a glaring need though. Because DL is ALWAYS a need for every team all the time, and it's a premium position that has a huge impact on each game, and this draft in particular appears to have a lot of DL that fits into the late 1st/early 2nd grade bucket. It isn't likely that any one offensive player is going to be sticking out on the board at 27. It might be a scenario where we either draft DL, or reach down a full round grade just to pick offense for purported need. No question in my mind I'll take the highest graded player at a premium position every time in that scenario.

We could also trade up. No one wants to consider that as a possibility, but we’ve seen it multiple times from Beane. 

[McBean]

5 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Well I completely disagree. Most of the fanbase is just sick of the defense in the first narrative and I think Beane knows this is the year to help out his franchise qb. We watched weapons being the biggest need all season and losing edmunds shouldn’t change anything. That need still exists. I’m sorry, but Harty and Sherfield are nothing more than WR4/WR5 ST signings. They aren’t fitting into the long term plans of the team. Yes…there is no DT signed beyond this year, but other than Diggs (who will be 31 next season) and an unproven Shakir, the WR room has similar issues. This is a passing league and we have one of the top QBs in the game. Show the guy some good faith and get him some help. 

Spot. On.

 

Excellent post.

[whorlnut]

This sums it up nicely…

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

Well then wouldn't it stand to reason that if he were available for THAT reason, that he Bills should not want him?  

 

 

Based on what has been told to the public by the league and Williams' agency.........probably isn't enough to make a team not want to acquire him.

 

But considering that they caught him I am sure the league has a lot more detail about the investigation that every team would have full access to.   

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

This sums it up nicely…

I'd be happy with any of those six, but I think they'll all be gone by 27. 

[sven233]

9 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

We could also trade up. No one wants to consider that as a possibility, but we’ve seen it multiple times from Beane. 

 

With the lack of draft capital, moving up more than a couple of spots is going to be tough.  I suppose you could use a player like Oliver to sweeten the pot a bit if you don't have plans to re-sign him, but trying to move up 10+ spots with the lack of draft picks we have this year is unlikely.

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Based on what has been told to the public by the league and Williams' agency.........probably isn't enough to make a team not want to acquire him.

 

But considering that they caught him I am sure the league has a lot more detail about the investigation that every team would have full access to.   

How much you willing to bet😅

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

I'd be happy with any of those six, but I think they'll all be gone by 27. 

Again…if Beane can trade up 2 spots in a deep draft for corners for the last guy with a first round grade, what precludes him for doing it for a receiver?

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

With the lack of draft capital, moving up more than a couple of spots is going to be tough.  I suppose you could use a player like Oliver to sweeten the pot a bit if you don't have plans to re-sign him, but trying to move up 10+ spots with the lack of draft picks we have this year is unlikely.

You could use a future pick or even trade down in another round to recoup some of the picks. We literally saw that play out last year. 

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, mannc said:

Edge is a premium position.  Interior DL is not.  Other than a few guys like Jeffrey Simmons, Aaron Donald and Chris Jones, the position is filled with guys who can be replaced by free agents, without too much of a drop off.

 

So I do see pass rushing DT specifically as a premium position, although I understand traditionally it isn't seen that way. I just think in this day and age the best way to disrupt a QB is pressure up the middle.

[Orlando Tim]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So I do see pass rushing DT specifically as a premium position, although I understand traditionally it isn't seen that way. I just think in this day and age the best way to disrupt a QB is pressure up the middle.

I am not arguing your point but when was pressure up the middle not the best way to mess with a QB? Since I was a kid a NT that could push back a center was priceless. 

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So I do see pass rushing DT specifically as a premium position, although I understand traditionally it isn't seen that way. I just think in this day and age the best way to disrupt a QB is pressure up the middle.

I agree, but we can wait till later to fill that hole. We’ve been doing that for years at WR

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So I do see pass rushing DT specifically as a premium position, although I understand traditionally it isn't seen that way. I just think in this day and age the best way to disrupt a QB is pressure up the middle.

I agree...It's just that there aren't very many guys who can do that consistently.  The Bills hoped Lil' Ed Oliver could do it, but they were wrong.

[blacklabel]

I think I'm just looking forward to the inevitable meltdown some folks are gonna have no matter who the Bills draft. 

 

Just remember, this stuff is supposed to be fun. If the names they announce next weekend make you wanna throw things and punch holes in the wall then maybe take a minute to ponder if football is, I dunno, your thing? 

 

After that we'll round up the expert board analysis on Beane...who will surely have failed miserably at his job according to the message board savants of the world. 

 

Who's that one player you really hope they don't pick? I hope they pick that guy. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, blacklabel said:

I think I'm just looking forward to the inevitable meltdown some folks are gonna have no matter who the Bills draft. 

 

Just remember, this stuff is supposed to be fun. If the names they announce next weekend make you wanna throw things and punch holes in the wall then maybe take a minute to ponder if football is, I dunno, your thing? 

 

After that we'll round up the expert board analysis on Beane...who will surely have failed miserably at his job according to the message board savants of the world. 

 

Who's that one player you really hope they don't pick? I hope they pick that guy. 

I bet you enjoy kicking dogs.