NFL draft rumors 2023

[BobbyC81]

On 4/3/2023 at 1:47 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Geez, showing up to your Pro Day out of shape may be a bigger red flag than the street racing.

[RichRiderBills]

Rumor: by the time Hooker's ACL heals Richardson will still suck. 

 

 

 

How anyone, sane or otherwise, could have Hooker behind AR-15 after watching tape and football games is besides me. This is from a Gator. Richardson is fool's gold. 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

True, but they are now in a scenario where they are going to need to replace some high priced players who are getting older because of cap constraints, so I think they will need more young cheap players.

I think they do that next year.  They will go with their Vets this year for one more run at the SB

[purple haze]

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I agree that he is an outstanding RB prospect.  If they draft him, do you think he would get more than 15 touches a game and will they be productive behind an as-yet modest OL?  As much as I think Robinson could have a big impact, I’m not sure they would alter the offense enough to take advantage of his talent and I don’t think they are a top run blocking unit. 

I think the OL is a work in progress.  It could be much better by September.  We’ll see.  I think if they were to draft Robinson he’s getting more than 15 touches.  He’ll get 15 carries and catch some passes.   They wouldn’t be drafting him to bring him along slowly. He doesn’t need physical development like James Cook did.   He’s ready day 1.   And even if the Bills want to stay pass heavy, Robinson fits into that very well too.  
 

The Bills need elite playmakers on offense, outside Allen and Diggs.  Robinson is that, position and draft Twitter be damned.   There’s not a WR or TE in the draft better at their position than Robinson is at his his and there are some very good players available at those positions.

 

All that said I’m not counting on him being there at 27 or near enough to trade up for.  I think Beane  trades down, if possible, and picks up an extra 2 or 3.   I wouldn’t be shocked to see Oliver get moved either. 

[BillsFan692]

11 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

2023 NFL Mock Draft: Seahawks move up to grab eventual Geno Smith replacement; three big mock trades in top 10 - CBSSports.com

 

I guess I didn't get the link, but Tom Fornelli of CBS sports has Campbell going at #27 today.

 

It's the finances that make it so logical.  Getting a WR who is WR3 being paid more than Gabe who is starting above him might be a problem   Getting an RB making more than our starting 2 ahead of him makes no sense.  Getting a TE2 for $3M is a waste.  Getting a starting mlb who is very good at $3M/yr for the next 4 years makes a lot of financial sense.

 

 

Your logic is that bills cant draft a WR in round 1 because they drafted one in round 4 in a previous year?

 

I mean... okay? Lol

[OldTimer1960]

6 hours ago, purple haze said:

I think the OL is a work in progress.  It could be much better by September.  We’ll see.  I think if they were to draft Robinson he’s getting more than 15 touches.  He’ll get 15 carries and catch some passes.   They wouldn’t be drafting him to bring him along slowly. He doesn’t need physical development like James Cook did.   He’s ready day 1.   And even if the Bills want to stay pass heavy, Robinson fits into that very well too.  
 

The Bills need elite playmakers on offense, outside Allen and Diggs.  Robinson is that, position and draft Twitter be damned.   There’s not a WR or TE in the draft better at their position than Robinson is at his his and there are some very good players available at those positions.

 

All that said I’m not counting on him being there at 27 or near enough to trade up for.  I think Beane  trades down, if possible, and picks up an extra 2 or 3.   I wouldn’t be shocked to see Oliver get moved either. 

I sort of have the feeling Oliver will be traded, too.  I’m not sure how I feel about that, either.  I think Oliver has been good, not great, so far and if they have already determined that they don’t want to pay him after next season then, I can understand why they might move him.

Edited April 8, 2023 by OldTimer1960

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I sort of have the feeling Oliver will be traded, to.  I’m not sure how I feel about that, either.  I think Oliver has been good, not great, so far and if they have already determined that they don’t want to pay him after next season then, I can understand why they might move him.

Agreed. I think the bills brass believes even if Oliver had a completely healthy season from start to finish, he's not the kind of dominant player they hoped he'd become and will not be paid as such. And after the Simmons deal, hey, 10M for a guy some teams think they can get his potential out (and let's be real about it they're going to have an extension planned before trading for him) the Bills need to get something ahead of time for once. This is probably a done deal if the right guy falls in the draft or they just patiently wait for a veteran to shake loose after the draft, which usually happens.

[BillsFanForever19]

20 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Agreed. I think the bills brass believes even if Oliver had a completely healthy season from start to finish, he's not the kind of dominant player they hoped he'd become and will not be paid as such. And after the Simmons deal, hey, 10M for a guy some teams think they can get his potential out (and let's be real about it they're going to have an extension planned before trading for him) the Bills need to get something ahead of time for once. This is probably a done deal if the right guy falls in the draft or they just patiently wait for a veteran to shake loose after the draft, which usually happens.

 

This is a made up concept amongst fans, just as trading Tremaine Edmunds last season was. Nothing Brandon Beane has said has led me to think he believes anything that you're saying he believes. On the contrary, he talks up how he'd like to keep him (and Gabe Davis) for years to come and is excited to see what he does as a Bill this season.

Edited April 8, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[TheBeaneBandit]

22 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

This is a made up concept amongst fans, just as trading Tremaine Edmunds last season was. Nothing Brandon Beane has said has led me to think he believes anything that you're saying he believes. On the contrary, he talks up how he'd like to keep him (and Gabe Davis) for years to come and is excited to see what he does as a Bill this season.

Lies.

[Einstein's Dog]

5 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

 

Your logic is that bills cant draft a WR in round 1 because they drafted one in round 4 in a previous year?

 

I mean... okay? Lol

No, the logic is mlb is much safer.   WR's are risky (see K Benjamin, Z Jones).  Also the drafted mlb would have greater odds of starting, makes financial sense, and is easy to incorporate into the starting lineup.   The Bills could have the top pick at mlb vs the 5th pick at the risky WR position.

 

Of course the Bills could draft a WR, but they probably won't.  The conservative, financially sound, safer move, is mlb.  

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

Rumor: by the time Hooker's ACL heals Richardson will still suck. 

 

 

 

How anyone, sane or otherwise, could have Hooker behind AR-15 after watching tape and football games is besides me. This is from a Gator. Richardson is fool's gold. 

I think Richardson is a terrible QB.  He’s just such an impressive athlete, that an offensive coach with an ego (and they all have egos) will be tempted to prove how great they are by being the man to mold him into a good QB.  If there’s a type of player coaches roll the dice on, it’s his type.  
 

but yeah…. He’s awful at playing QB.  If play on the field was the only thing that dictates where a player is drafted, he’d be the last player drafted
 

 

[Green Lightning]

On 4/4/2023 at 9:06 AM, HappyDays said:

 

He mocked the exact top 10 including which team picked which player. I believe his only slip up was having the two Giants picks in the top 10, Thibodeaux and Neal, flip flopped.

Damn. That’s impressive. 

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Agreed. I think the bills brass believes even if Oliver had a completely healthy season from start to finish, he's not the kind of dominant player they hoped he'd become and will not be paid as such. And after the Simmons deal, hey, 10M for a guy some teams think they can get his potential out (and let's be real about it they're going to have an extension planned before trading for him) the Bills need to get something ahead of time for once. This is probably a done deal if the right guy falls in the draft or they just patiently wait for a veteran to shake loose after the draft, which usually happens.

Oliver gets traded and the Bills get Dhop. That's what I'm hoping for. 

[MrEpsYtown]

I said a while ago that all of a sudden you will start seeing LBs, who are allegedly second round picks being mocked in the first. It’s just people’s opinions and projections. 

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

This is a made up concept amongst fans, just as trading Tremaine Edmunds last season was. Nothing Brandon Beane has said has led me to think he believes anything that you're saying he believes. On the contrary, he talks up how he'd like to keep him (and Gabe Davis) for years to come and is excited to see what he does as a Bill this season.

I disagree. Beane has always talked up Edmunds and he let him walk. 

 

We fans have no idea what Beane and the Bills plan is for Oliver. Of course, it's conjecture because there is no concrete evidence. The poster you are referring to certainly has legitimate points. Of course, you are welcome to disagree.

 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Oliver is moved on draft day. 

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

No, the logic is mlb is much safer.   WR's are risky (see K Benjamin, Z Jones).  Also the drafted mlb would have greater odds of starting, makes financial sense, and is easy to incorporate into the starting lineup.   The Bills could have the top pick at mlb vs the 5th pick at the risky WR position.

 

Of course the Bills could draft a WR, but they probably won't.  The conservative, financially sound, safer move, is mlb.  

So it’s a reach to get the “fifth receiver” even if he has a first round grade?  Safe doesn’t win you Super Bowls. Beane has already said edmunds successor might already be on the roster. He drafted a guy with a third round pick last year and now they need to see what they have. Enough with this defense early nonsense. Time to swing for the fences in support of Allen. 

[nosejob]

I think I saw 1 mock on NFL.com that has us moving to 20 and taking Q. Johnston....I think for 91

[BarleyNY]

24 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Oliver gets traded and the Bills get Dhop. That's what I'm hoping for. 

Beane looking at options to trade up and get a WR in the draft makes sense as a contingency if the DHop trade falls through. Not that GMs don’t check into trading up and down from their picks regardless of their real interest in doing so. It also sends a message to AZ & DHop that we are prepared to fill that need another way if they don’t play ball. 

Edited April 8, 2023 by BarleyNY

[nosejob]

I'm not holding my breath for DHOP. They'd have to move Ed and money would still be tight...as in none for post June 1st.

 

I'm not afraid of rolling with what we have if we can land a good TE2...There;s also some talent at WR to be had after the 1st.

[Warcodered]

15 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

 

Geez, showing up to your Pro Day out of shape may be a bigger red flag than the street racing.

To be fair the two could be connected, hard to imagine what seeing two of his friends die in that accident might have done to him on an emotional/mental level.