Dr. Who Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Not for nothing and something to keep in mind. The 2 NFL comparisons I've seen on Torrence the most have been Saffold and Incognito. Both guys were coached and had really solid success under Kromer at points in their career. The "sloppy body type" comment that Campbell made seemed a bit weird. However, the Bills have one of the top end training and nutrition staffs in the NFL and I'd be confident they can assist there. I haven't heard anything about him being particularly unmotivated or lazy, so my hunch is that he can turn that around. The body comment on Torrance reminds me somewhat of the chatter about Jordan Davis from last year close to the draft. I believe Torrence would be a solid pick...however I think he will be gone before pick 27. Well, Gunner Bill and @MrEpsYtown are the two fellas I generally turn to for guidance on oline. Neither is high on Torrance for the Bills. I would prefer to wait and pick up a fella like Bergeron or Avila a bit later if you are talking about a guard. Bergeron might have some capacity to play tackle. He was sound at the collegiate level, but some think he is a guard only in the pros. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 9 hours ago, SCBills said: While probably true .. We don’t necessarily have that many open spots on the potential in-season roster. Beane goes hard in filling in the roster before the draft. No sense in drafting guys just to have them poached - which has been happening in recent years. Allen/Allen (2) Dawkins/Brown/Q/Doyle (4) Morse/Bates/McG/Edwards/Ike (5) Knox/Morris (2) Cook/Harris/Hines (3) Diggs/Davis/Harty/Shakir/Sherfield (5) Von/Rousseau/AJ/Shaq/Boogie (5) Ed/Jones/Settle/Phillips (4) Milano/Klein/Bernard/Dodson/Spector/Matakevich (6) White/Elam/Jackson/Johnson/Neal/Benford (6) Hyde/Poyer/Rapp/Hamlin/Zayne (5) Bass/Ferguson/Martin (3) (( 50 )) We could certainly use upgrades at RT, WR & LB, with DT, EDGE & S being upgradeable and/or looking to the future, but where are we putting 6 draft picks? Many of these guys are locks, some likely locks and some ST’s guys… I don’t see many cut candidates on the 50 I listed. Maybe Zayne, brought in for ST’s gets bumped. Maybe Ike or Edwards in favor of a rookie IOL. Morris for a TE2 if he can clear waivers and we only keep two. Maybe Quessenberry for an OT. DT is bizarre contractually, and I guess maybe they could cut Settle. EDGE, again, would be a surprise cut or keeping six. While I hope it doesn’t happen, inevitably there will be injuries to start and throughput the year. Let them bring in as many quality players at low cost as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 40 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Not for nothing and something to keep in mind. The 2 NFL comparisons I've seen on Torrence the most have been Saffold and Incognito. Both guys were coached and had really solid success under Kromer at points in their career. The "sloppy body type" comment that Campbell made seemed a bit weird. However, the Bills have one of the top end training and nutrition staffs in the NFL and I'd be confident they can assist there. I haven't heard anything about him being particularly unmotivated or lazy, so my hunch is that he can turn that around. The body comment on Torrance reminds me somewhat of the chatter about Jordan Davis from last year close to the draft. I believe Torrence would be a solid pick...however I think he will be gone before pick 27. I would just add that Saffold was a high second round pick and a converted left tackle. To me those guys are nothing alike at all. Richie was a mid third round pick. Both of those guys were very high RAS guys. Torrence is closer to a less athletic Cody Ford imo....and that should truly scare everyone. He has some strong traits in the power, but there is a good chance it goes very very wrong for him. At 59 I take a shot. At 27? No way. For a guy who is supposed to have so much power in his game, 23 reps on the bench is pretty alarming. You can get a better player, better athlete, and significantly stronger guy like Tyler Steen way later in the draft. 17 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Well, Gunner Bill and @MrEpsYtown are the two fellas I generally turn to for guidance on oline. Neither is high on Torrance for the Bills. I would prefer to wait and pick up a fella like Bergeron or Avila a bit later if you are talking about a guard. Bergeron might have some capacity to play tackle. He was sound at the collegiate level, but some think he is a guard only in the pros. Appreciate it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Well, Gunner Bill and @MrEpsYtown are the two fellas I generally turn to for guidance on oline. Neither is high on Torrance for the Bills. I would prefer to wait and pick up a fella like Bergeron or Avila a bit later if you are talking about a guard. Bergeron might have some capacity to play tackle. He was sound at the collegiate level, but some think he is a guard only in the pros. Well, both @GunnerBill and @MrEpsYtown are very highly respected members of the community and have some great knowledge and insight. I also enjoy seeing their perspectives on players coming out as well as their scouting and grading takes. This board is a better place due to their insights, and that's not debatable lol. My question for them would be when scoring him...is it the player that you aren't high on or the player in Buffalo's scheme? As it sits with what the Bills have done in the past with the type of OL they take and their blocking schemes...I would actually agree with them that his fit with what the Bills have done and looked for is not ideal. It's quite the opposite, actually. And that's the reason I like him for Buffalo. We have a lot of the high RAS scorers. Guys with athletic traits that are through the roof. Spencer Brown is a prime example. While I still feel like Brown may turn the corner at some point...a plug and play mauler would bring a different skillset to this line. A guy that would absolutely push the pile, is a very capable pass blocker and brings some edge would be a very strong move IMO. He would also likely play RG, which is where Allen almost always pushes to on those 3rd and 4th and short sneaks. Could really be an asset with proper conditioning. And this isn't to say Gunner or Eps are wrong at all. Torrence may very well be a square peg in a round hole on this team. But insanity is doing the same thing time after time and not getting the results you are looking for. At some point it's time for fresh concepts and new thought processes by Beane and McD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I would just add that Saffold was a high second round pick and a converted left tackle. To me those guys are nothing alike at all. Richie was a mid third round pick. Both of those guys were very high RAS guys. Torrence is closer to a less athletic Cody Ford imo....and that should truly scare everyone. He has some strong traits in the power, but there is a good chance it goes very very wrong for him. At 59 I take a shot. At 27? No way. For a guy who is supposed to have so much power in his game, 23 reps on the bench is pretty alarming. You can get a better player, better athlete, and significantly stronger guy like Tyler Steen way later in the draft. Appreciate it. Just saw this response and thank you for the clarification of the thought process on Torrence. I know Incognito had a pretty high RAS...in the 9.5 range if memory serves. Saffold in the mid high 7s-mid 8s? I think a large part of his success in the NFL will be what kind of support he gets at the NFL level. While you are correct in saying it could go very wrong for him I feel like he's a kid that needs the right people around him (coaches, trainers, conditioning and teammates) to flourish at the next level. I'd be surprised if he were the pick at 27, but optimistic that they can get the most out of him with what we have in place. I don't think he will be there at 27, let alone 59. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Well, both @GunnerBill and @MrEpsYtown are very highly respected members of the community and have some great knowledge and insight. I also enjoy seeing their perspectives on players coming out as well as their scouting and grading takes. This board is a better place due to their insights, and that's not debatable lol. My question for them would be when scoring him...is it the player that you aren't high on or the player in Buffalo's scheme? As it sits with what the Bills have done in the past with the type of OL they take and their blocking schemes...I would actually agree with them that his fit with what the Bills have done and looked for is not ideal. It's quite the opposite, actually. And that's the reason I like him for Buffalo. We have a lot of the high RAS scorers. Guys with athletic traits that are through the roof. Spencer Brown is a prime example. While I still feel like Brown may turn the corner at some point...a plug and play mauler would bring a different skillset to this line. A guy that would absolutely push the pile, is a very capable pass blocker and brings some edge would be a very strong move IMO. He would also likely play RG, which is where Allen almost always pushes to on those 3rd and 4th and short sneaks. Could really be an asset with proper conditioning. And this isn't to say Gunner or Eps are wrong at all. Torrence may very well be a square peg in a round hole on this team. But insanity is doing the same thing time after time and not getting the results you are looking for. At some point it's time for fresh concepts and new thought processes by Beane and McD. And this is a very reasonable post. I'm not super high on Torrence as a 1st rounder - period - even in a class like this one. I also agree with you he isn't a fit for what the Bills have tended towards in their oline build, but they have flip flopped a bit on that. He is similar to Quinton Spain who they signed, then extended and paid, then benched, then cut. So it is hard to be too definitive on their type. I do think you might be onto something with the RAS stuff at oline too. It might be one area of the field where the tape matters more than the athletic profile and it might be time for them to just select good footballer players rather than looking for a high RAS guy. That said, think Ford was a low RAS guy in round two and that was a disaster, so it cuts both ways. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: However, the Bills have one of the top end training and nutrition staffs in the NFL and I'd be confident they can assist there. I haven't heard anything about him being particularly unmotivated or lazy, so my hunch is that he can turn that around. When will they get around to meeting with Dawkins? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Well, both @GunnerBill and @MrEpsYtown are very highly respected members of the community and have some great knowledge and insight. I also enjoy seeing their perspectives on players coming out as well as their scouting and grading takes. This board is a better place due to their insights, and that's not debatable lol. My question for them would be when scoring him...is it the player that you aren't high on or the player in Buffalo's scheme? As it sits with what the Bills have done in the past with the type of OL they take and their blocking schemes...I would actually agree with them that his fit with what the Bills have done and looked for is not ideal. It's quite the opposite, actually. And that's the reason I like him for Buffalo. We have a lot of the high RAS scorers. Guys with athletic traits that are through the roof. Spencer Brown is a prime example. While I still feel like Brown may turn the corner at some point...a plug and play mauler would bring a different skillset to this line. A guy that would absolutely push the pile, is a very capable pass blocker and brings some edge would be a very strong move IMO. He would also likely play RG, which is where Allen almost always pushes to on those 3rd and 4th and short sneaks. Could really be an asset with proper conditioning. And this isn't to say Gunner or Eps are wrong at all. Torrence may very well be a square peg in a round hole on this team. But insanity is doing the same thing time after time and not getting the results you are looking for. At some point it's time for fresh concepts and new thought processes by Beane and McD. For me it is a mix of both in that I don't love the player and don't think is a fit. To me Torrence is a late second/third round prospect. Overall, I think he is going to struggle in the NFL. He got away with some sloppy technique and kind of like Josh does for our guys, Anthony Richardson made him right a lot of the time. Can he get better? Sure. But the lack of a strong athletic profile makes that less likely. I would much rather have a Steve Avila or Tyler Steen or even a Chandler Zavala later because they have that mauling style with athletic upside. However, I think you make an excellent point about plugging a mauler in the middle of that super athletic offensive line to give it a different flavor and style. A square peg in a round hole can sometimes be a really good thing. My argument is that you can get that later in the draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 I trust your opinions on scheme fit for Torrance. That said, he really won me over with his film against Jalen Carter. He really held his own against arguably the best talent the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 I had a dream the other night that the Bills traded up several spots for Hyatt - with several other top receivers on the board still - in part because they were worried the Chiefs were targeting him. Take that for what it’s worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: I had a dream the other night that the Bills traded up several spots for Hyatt - with several other top receivers on the board still - in part because they were worried the Chiefs were targeting him. Take that for what it’s worth. have your dreams ever come true before? 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: For me it is a mix of both in that I don't love the player and don't think is a fit. To me Torrence is a late second/third round prospect. Overall, I think he is going to struggle in the NFL. He got away with some sloppy technique and kind of like Josh does for our guys, Anthony Richardson made him right a lot of the time. Can he get better? Sure. But the lack of a strong athletic profile makes that less likely. I would much rather have a Steve Avila or Tyler Steen or even a Chandler Zavala later because they have that mauling style with athletic upside. However, I think you make an excellent point about plugging a mauler in the middle of that super athletic offensive line to give it a different flavor and style. A square peg in a round hole can sometimes be a really good thing. My argument is that you can get that later in the draft. This. We need a people mover in the interior of the O-Line. Doesn’t necessarily have to be a 1st rounder but I’ll be disappointed if we don’t draft one in top 3 rounds. This offense and O-Line needs more physicality. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I had a dream the other night that the Bills traded up several spots for Hyatt - with several other top receivers on the board still - in part because they were worried the Chiefs were targeting him. Take that for what it’s worth. If this happens, you need to start thinking about the lottery before you go to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Did anyone else see a report last night on ESPN that the Panthers were reportedly set on shocking the world by taking Levis at #1 overall instead of Young? The report was not from one of the reliable guys like Shefter but supposedly the report was solid enough to have played a role in Vegas odds about the draft order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LEBills Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 minute ago, 2003Contenders said: Did anyone else see a report last night on ESPN that the Panthers were reportedly set on shocking the world by taking Levis at #1 overall instead of Young? The report was not from one of the reliable guys like Shefter but supposedly the report was solid enough to have played a role in Vegas odds about the draft order. I did not but this article goes over it on Reddit, someone claiming to be close to Levis says that Levis is telling people he is going to be drafted by the Panthers https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/will-levis-nfl-draft-odds-soar-after-reddit-post-links-panthers-qb?amp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I had a dream the other night that the Bills traded up several spots for Hyatt - with several other top receivers on the board still - in part because they were worried the Chiefs were targeting him. Take that for what it’s worth. Nobody's ever called me a visionary personality, but you just may become a modern day Nostradammit 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, LEBills said: I did not but this article goes over it on Reddit, someone claiming to be close to Levis says that Levis is telling people he is going to be drafted by the Panthers https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/will-levis-nfl-draft-odds-soar-after-reddit-post-links-panthers-qb?amp Folks will lose their minds if this happens. He's got some Josh Allen vibes, but the Panthers almost certainly didn't have to trade up to take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah I suspect there are a lot of guys you think will make the team that are far from roster locks. Kyle Allen at QB, Harris at RB, Sherfield at WR, Edwards and Boettger at G, Quess and Doyle at tackle..........all could lose their jobs to a rookie with potential or if they just flop in OTA's or can't practice due to injuries etc. in camp like OJ Howard did. And that's just the offense. Plenty of room for 10+ rookies if they had the picks or got priority to the UDFA's they want. You may be right, but going off Beane's recent history, it seems like these vets typically make the team. OJ Howard being the exception to the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) WR Michael Wilson anyone? Wonder where he’ll go. Love his interview Edited April 26, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: And this is a very reasonable post. I'm not super high on Torrence as a 1st rounder - period - even in a class like this one. I also agree with you he isn't a fit for what the Bills have tended towards in their oline build, but they have flip flopped a bit on that. He is similar to Quinton Spain who they signed, then extended and paid, then benched, then cut. So it is hard to be too definitive on their type. I do think you might be onto something with the RAS stuff at oline too. It might be one area of the field where the tape matters more than the athletic profile and it might be time for them to just select good footballer players rather than looking for a high RAS guy. That said, think Ford was a low RAS guy in round two and that was a disaster, so it cuts both ways. 50 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: For me it is a mix of both in that I don't love the player and don't think is a fit. To me Torrence is a late second/third round prospect. Overall, I think he is going to struggle in the NFL. He got away with some sloppy technique and kind of like Josh does for our guys, Anthony Richardson made him right a lot of the time. Can he get better? Sure. But the lack of a strong athletic profile makes that less likely. I would much rather have a Steve Avila or Tyler Steen or even a Chandler Zavala later because they have that mauling style with athletic upside. However, I think you make an excellent point about plugging a mauler in the middle of that super athletic offensive line to give it a different flavor and style. A square peg in a round hole can sometimes be a really good thing. My argument is that you can get that later in the draft. Gentlemen, I just want to thank you for the well stated replies and excellent points you bring to the table. Not just on this subject...but everyday. I believe my biggest weakness when it comes to seeing players is I'm more of an "old hat" what does the film say guy. Never have gotten into the metrics and how they play in and I suspect I never really will. So it's great to have access to people that can and do take the other side of the isle and can raise points I wouldn't normally consider. Like I tell my kids...every opportunity is a learning opportunity. I still would be thrilled with Torrence at 27 because of the game footage. He can play. But, I'll also concede that it may be risky and there may be guys that bring what he does to the table a bit later. I have seen some Steen and like him as well. I see the Spain comparison as well. I think that's actually pretty accurate. And this is what's been odd about the offensive build for the Bills under McDermott and Beane to me. It's like they want to "build a bully" and dip their toes in every once in a while...then get scared to commit and go back to modern offensive thinking. Not only with the OL but kind of all over the board with RBs too. Bringing in Ivory, Tolbert, Gore type power runners...then walking it back with guys like Hines, Cook and Singletary. They have waffled back and forth so long that we really don't have any identity on O other than Josh Allen and Diggs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 11 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: I don't think the Bills are moving up. Lack of draft capital....they need to add all the bodies they can as they approach cap crunch coming next year. You understand that they can move up and then trade down in 2 or 3 and recoup picks, right? They can also trade a future pick or player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27. I'm sure that would go over well here ha.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27. I'm sure that would go over well here ha.. Man, fella just can't get over the bad at football thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27. I'm sure that would go over well here ha.. About as well as Leaf went over in SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27. I'm sure that would go over well here ha.. I actually like Ryan Leaf. Guy has really matured and come into his own after his NFL career sputtered. Tons of respect for the guy for the way he turned his life around and became a better person. That said a one eyed grasshopper in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean standing on a piece of driftwood would make a better pick than this. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I actually like Ryan Leaf. Guy has really matured and come into his own after his NFL career sputtered. Tons of respect for the guy for the way he turned his life around and became a better person. That said a one eyed grasshopper in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean standing on a piece of driftwood would make a better pick than this. I like him, too, but that is an awful pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Henley at 59 wouldn't be too bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, SCBills said: Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27. I'm sure that would go over well here ha.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, SCBills said: Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27. I'm sure that would go over well here ha.. Henley is from Leaf's alma mater. Probably just a homer pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 FWIW Sal just mentioned Zay Flowers WR coach at BC was also Gabe's WR coach at UCF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: FWIW Sal just mentioned Zay Flowers WR coach at BC was also Gabe's WR coach at UCF Yes and his head coach was Jalin Hyatt and Cedric Tillman HC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gonzo1105 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Can't say I'm surprised on the Kincaid thing. To me he is the clear # 1 TE in this draft. I don't believe he makes it to either the Cowboys or Bills but man i'd love to get my hands on the guy. QB's always rise so the Hooker thing doesn't surprise me. He also has supposedly been a fan favorite of teams in interviews with his ability to process and how he answers leadership questions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: @4merper4mer got a lot of grief for suggesting this fella was a late first round pick. Well, partly that, but more that the Bills should take him to trade him. That's too risky for my taste. Once you select him, teams will low ball on the return knowing you don't want to keep him. But looks like he may be vindicated on the value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 This update from walterfootball is about the Bills: https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2023-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Wednesday Quote Sources say the Buffalo Bills could attack their offensive line and defensive line in the early rounds of the 2023 NFL Draft. Buffalo feels it needs to get bigger and stronger up front on both sides of the ball. Hence in the first round, the team could give consideration to players like Florida guard O'Cyrus Torrence and Oklahoma's Anton Harrison. Tennessee right tackle Darnell Wright probably won't get close to the pick, but the Bills would love it if he was an option at No. 27. Some large defensive linemen who could interest Buffalo in the first round of the 2023 NFL Draft could include Michigan's Mazi Smith and Clemson's Bryan Bresee. Sources say that Pittsburgh's Calijah Kancey is not a fit because he is too similar to Ed Oliver as an undersized fast defender. If the Bills were to take an offensive lineman on Thursday night, they could look to the defensive line on Day 2. Smith might slide, and other options for Buffalo could include Florida defensive tackle Gervon Dexter and Baylor's Siaki Ika. Wide receiver is a dark-horse for Buffalo in the early rounds as well, but sources say the organization would like to come out of the 2023 NFL Draft with bigger, tougher linemen on both sides of the ball. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, LEBills said: This update from walterfootball is about the Bills: https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2023-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Wednesday The grass is green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Not a draft rumor but the Commanders rejected Chase Young fifth year option. Didn’t feel like starting a new thread. Is he broken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, LEBills said: This update from walterfootball is about the Bills: https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2023-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Wednesday Campbell has been mocking Torrence to the Bills. (Then two DTs back to back.) Bad pick and not a good sequence, imo. He didn't have the Bills take any skill position players, so I find that unlikely and not smart. But the view that the Bills are soft and need toughness on both sides of the trenches is something some ex-player pundits were talking about on ESPN the other day, so maybe there is something to it. Bresee, Bergeron, Hopkins for 91 could work. (It would have to be Mazi Smith or Myles Murphy according to your model, LE, but I prefer Bresee so plugged him into the speculation.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Campbell has been mocking Torrence to the Bills. (Then two DTs back to back.) Bad pick and not a good sequence, imo. He didn't have the Bills take any skill position players, so I find that unlikely and not smart. But the view that the Bills are soft and need toughness on both sides of the trenches is something some ex-player pundits were talking about on ESPN the other day, so maybe there is something to it. Bresee, Bergeron, Hopkins for 91 could work. (It would have to be Mazi Smith or Myles Murphy according to your model, LE, but I prefer Bresee so plugged him into the speculation.) Yea I post because it’s Bills related but don’t think Walterfootball is too connected to the Bills. I would be shocked if we drafted Torrence even in the second round. Bresee is kind of a boarderline guy, the only thing that held him back was the medicals. But the Bills have more info than I have and if they find him to have a clear bill of health then he would qualify right along with Mazi Smith as a top option in line with the Bills draft tendencies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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