Conner McGovern to Bills

[MAJBobby]

 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

16 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Dawkins-Bates-Morse-McGovrn-Brown

 

If Brown takes a step with his first healthy offseason, Bills could be much improved from a pass blocking perspective. 

Yeah except Brown is awful.  If he improves he’s still he bottoms tier

[Process]

I have serious doubts that the Bills are ready to move on from Brown at RT. So it looks like we have our starting OL for next year. 

 

It's impossible to be worse than Saffold, so we've upgraded. But is Dawkins - Bates - Morse - McGovern - Brown good enough? Blahh. 

 

Still need to draft multiple guys for the pipeline and depth. 

[MAJBobby]

 

good way to look at value here. A late 5/6th round compensatory value based on this contract. I will do that all day long for a consistent 26 year old OG. 

[Punching Bag]

34 minutes ago, BigBadBills said:

Totally overpaid for a dude who had a 52 PFF score. Yikes 

 

So he did not bribe PFF.  Big deal.

 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Like this one.  Wonder if they cut Morse for space now and move Bates to C?

 

Morse is playing this year.  The time to move on is next March.  I have to admit I'm not sold on Bates at C.  I want to see how McGovern does in camp.

 

[JaCrispy]

42 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

We will see how it plays out but right now I feel like its an overpay.

I don’t trust Beane with talent evaluation…

[HaldimandBills]

Don't know anything about this guy. Don't care that he's played Fullback, Center, and Tightend. I just want freaking guards who are above average and won't get Josh Killed. NFC East had a lot of nasty Dtackle last year so hopefully he works out and isn't shell shocked by what he sees in the AFC East.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

36 minutes ago, BigBadBills said:

Totally overpaid for a dude who had a 52 PFF score. Yikes 

He must’ve whiffed on every run block because they grade him very high as a pass blocker. 

[HappyDays]

It's the kind of signing Beane makes when we have a glaring hole on the roster. Now we don't have to force a guard pick in the draft, but if we happen to draft a good one I'm sure it's easy to move on from McGovern after this year. A solid middle of the road starter that upgrades Saffold and gives us a reasonable floor at the position. I'm good with it.

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by HappyDays

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, HaldimandBills said:

Don't know anything about this guy. Don't care that he's played Fullback, Center, and Tightend. I just want freaking guards who are above average and won't get Josh Killed. NFC East had a lot of nasty Dtackle last year so hopefully he works out and isn't shell shocked by what he sees in the AFC East.

He only gave up 2 sacks in 1,005 snaps and only took 1 penalty.  That's a start. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Wouldn’t it be funny if they actually signed the other Connor McGovern.

[Success]

1 minute ago, Process said:

I have serious doubts that the Bills are ready to move on from Brown at RT. So it looks like we have our starting OL for next year. 

 

It's impossible to be worse than Saffold, so we've upgraded. But is Dawkins - Bates - Morse - McGovern - Brown good enough? Blahh. 

 

Still need to draft multiple guys for the pipeline and depth. 

 

I don't think they should move on from Brown yet. He has so much potential, and he has played well at times. I would guess their thinking is let's see how he does with a full offseason & no injury to deal with.

 

I think the line you post there is very solid, but I do expect them to draft a guard in one of the 1st couple of rounds (maybe a tackle to compete w/ Brown, who they feel could convert if Brown plays well).

 

[Warriorspikes51]

could the Bills surprise and also sign Risner or Seumalo? 

[HaldimandBills]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

I have serious doubts that the Bills are ready to move on from Brown at RT. So it looks like we have our starting OL for next year. 

 

It's impossible to be worse than Saffold, so we've upgraded. But is Dawkins - Bates - Morse - McGovern - Brown good enough? Blahh. 

 

Still need to draft multiple guys for the pipeline and depth. 

Absolutely they still need to upgrade. Bates right now should be your back up interior lineman and replace Morse at center eventually. Right Tackle absolutely needs an upgrade. Can't have guys coming around clean like last season. 

[wppete]

He seems like a small dude for LG. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

It's the kind of signing Beane makes when we have a glaring hole on the roster. Now we don't have to force a guard pick in the draft, but if we happen to draft a good one I'm sure it's easy to move on from McGovern after this year. A solid middle of the road starter that upgrades Saffold and gives us a reasonable floor at the position. I'm good with it.

 

I don’t hate the signing but they went with an upside signing similar to Tim Settle last year. I would rather they spent a little more on a Dalton Risner, someone with more experience.

 

 I honestly can’t say with confidence that this guy will solve our OG problem. So I don’t like that.

[Bruffalo]

Eh, it's better than nothing. I still think it's a draft need. 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

It's the kind of signing Beane makes when we have a glaring hole on the roster. Now we don't have to force a guard pick in the draft, but if we happen to draft a good one I'm sure it's easy to move on from McGovern after this year. A solid middle of the road starter that upgrades Saffold and gives us a reasonable floor at the position. I'm good with it.

 

Yup.. Bills have a serviceable, with potential, starting OL with Boettger and Doyle as depth, if no other moves are made before the draft.  
 

At the very least, at least this time they signed a younger RG (Bates can play LG now) who’s good at pass pro, suspect at run blocking … as opposed to an older LG (forces Bates to RG) who’s supposed to be a good run blocker, suspect at pass pro.  
 

I much prefer this approach. 
 

Edited March 13, 2023 by SCBills

[WMDman]

I like it, still in the draft Torrance camp, line next year could be 

 

Dion, McGovern, Morse, Torrance, Brown   

[nosejob]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I can get behind this. I don't think he is a top end guard but he can play  

We still need Powers. One or two Jags is what we've been doing. We need a young line for the next 5 yrs. We need another Reuben Brown.....minus the 3rd down holding calls.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

His Draft Profile:

 

Reliable run blocker with NFL-ready size and strength but exploitable holes in his pass sets that need to be addressed as quickly as possible. His starting experience at both center and guard could bring additional interest in McGovern, who would be a bigger, stronger option at center for teams facing odd-front power in their division. He is a good fit in gap and inside-zone run schemes, but his tendency to over-set in pass protection could be challenging to correct. He's an early starter as a Day 2 pick, but Year 1 could have ups and downs.

[Solomon Grundy]

10 minutes ago, Process said:

I have serious doubts that the Bills are ready to move on from Brown at RT.

You already know how Beane operates based on the Cody Ford example. I still would like to see Brown have to compete for his starting position with a top notch RT in the draft like Darnell Wright 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

If he were any good wouldn’t it make sense for the team that drafted him to retain him for such a modest contract? 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

If he were any good wouldn’t it make sense for the team that drafted him to retain him for such a modest contract? 

 

If that was the case, there wouldn't be any mid tier FA.

[Starr Almighty]

5 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

If he were any good wouldn’t it make sense for the team that drafted him to retain him for such a modest contract? 

Let's say the Cowboys have 21 FAs this year and are already over the cap. What do you do in that scenario?

Edited March 13, 2023 by Starr Almighty

[IndyMark]

12 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I don't think they should move on from Brown yet. He has so much potential, and he has played well at times. I would guess their thinking is let's see how he does with a full offseason & no injury to deal with.

 

I think the line you post there is very solid, but I do expect them to draft a guard in one of the 1st couple of rounds (maybe a tackle to compete w/ Brown, who they feel could convert if Brown plays well).

 

 

^^^ This.

 

Also, beyond forgetting about Brown missing an entire offseason with an injury, I also feel those calling for Brown to be replaced have forgotten about the Wyatt Teller effect. Beane likely will not do that twice.  With proper training Brown can improve his footwork and movement skills to continue developing. Sure he should be challenged in camp, but to say that we need to move on without seeing what a healthy off- and pre-season can do for him is just not smart.

[I'm Spartacus]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Wouldn’t it be funny if they actually signed the other Connor McGovern.

Wouldn't it be funnier if they tried to sign Connor McDavid?

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If that was the case, there wouldn't be any mid tier FA.

 

LOL.  I was just going to reply the exact same thing.

 

Just about every team has holes to fill and has to put money where they think it needs to go.

[Royale with Cheese]

Per my friend who is a Cowboys fan:

 

"He's a pretty good player, good enough to start on the interior.  Heard is best position is RG but never played there with us because of Zach Martin so he was mostly a LG.  Has some flexibility to play center too."

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

could the Bills surprise and also sign Risner or Seumalo? 

Only if they’re cutting Morse or moving Bates to RT.

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

5 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Let's say the Cowboys have 21 FAs this year and are already over the cap. What do you do in that scenario?

 

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If that was the case, there wouldn't be any mid tier FA.

The difference is that this is a guy they used a 3rd round pick on and is only 25.  Given the value of the pick, age and low AAV of the contract, he’d be at the top of their list of FA’s to keep if they thought he was a good player.  Most likely would’ve came at a better price too. Odds are, he’s very average. 

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

 

The difference is that this is a guy they used a 3rd round pick on and is only 25.  Given the value of the pick, age and low AAV of the contract, he’d be at the top of their list of FA’s to keep if they thought he was a good player.  Most likely would’ve came at a better price too. Odds are, he’s very average. 

 

Which would be a big improvement over Saffold if he's league average.  

[Rigotz]

This was an interesting watch... I wonder if McGovern is Mitch Morse insurance too with the concussion history:

 

 

[Warcodered]

Just now, Rigotz said:

This was an interesting watch... I wonder if McGovern is Mitch Morse insurance too with the concussion history:

 

 

With him I think we have him, Bates, and Ike all with experience playing center.

[MAJBobby]

 

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

 

^^^ This.

 

Also, beyond forgetting about Brown missing an entire offseason with an injury, I also feel those calling for Brown to be replaced have forgotten about the Wyatt Teller effect. Beane likely will not do that twice.  With proper training Brown can improve his footwork and movement skills to continue developing. Sure he should be challenged in camp, but to say that we need to move on without seeing what a healthy off- and pre-season can do for him is just not smart.

Those that are calling for Brown to be replaced haven’t forgotten how terrible he was all of last season and realize that he was a big part of our problem on offense.  
 

sure, he could improve- I think he will improve, some. Possibly enough to be a quality starter.  But are you willing to risk the entire 2023 season on it?  Imo, that’s what you’re doing if you don’t bring in someone that can compete and possibly beat him out.  We need a solid Plan B.  

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, nosejob said:

We still need Powers. One or two Jags is what we've been doing. We need a young line for the next 5 yrs. We need another Reuben Brown.....minus the 3rd down holding calls.

 

Yea I take that point but McGovern is a better pass blocker than both of our starting guards. He isn't the top tier of available guards, but he is an upgrade. 

9 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

 

The difference is that this is a guy they used a 3rd round pick on and is only 25.  Given the value of the pick, age and low AAV of the contract, he’d be at the top of their list of FA’s to keep if they thought he was a good player.  Most likely would’ve came at a better price too. Odds are, he’s very average. 

 

The only push back there is from a resource perspective the Cowboys have a lot tied up in their oline already. If he was a high end starter, I agree they make it work. But for a guy who is just a tick above average they can't commit more to that unit.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

 

The difference is that this is a guy they used a 3rd round pick on and is only 25.  Given the value of the pick, age and low AAV of the contract, he’d be at the top of their list of FA’s to keep if they thought he was a good player.  Most likely would’ve came at a better price too. Odds are, he’s very average. 

 

You're under the assumption that McGovern doesn't want to start or something.  He's behind Tyler Smith and Zach Martin on the depth chart at the guard position.

McGovern is a free agent and he can choose where he goes. 

 

Are you saying the Cowboy's don't want to pay a back up more than $7 million a year means he's average?

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

17 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

 

^^^ This.

 

Also, beyond forgetting about Brown missing an entire offseason with an injury, I also feel those calling for Brown to be replaced have forgotten about the Wyatt Teller effect. Beane likely will not do that twice.  With proper training Brown can improve his footwork and movement skills to continue developing. Sure he should be challenged in camp, but to say that we need to move on without seeing what a healthy off- and pre-season can do for him is just not smart.

Wyatt Teller was an all conference guard in college.  
Brown played 8 man football, was a TE and got moved to OT in D2 and missed the entire covid season.  There is literally no comparison. 
There is no reason why we should t bring in legit competition for him.  He’s proven nothing and regressed if anything.  We gotta an all time QB, I’d rather not bet on  a project