Brand J Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gregg said: I give Mahomes plenty of credit. He is a great QB and right now the best in the game. But Mahomes has one of the best OL's in the league with Allen having one of the worst. Josh deserves some blame here. He does turnover the ball over to much and he needs to clean up that part of his game. But at the same he is running for his life on many plays because of a weak OL. A better OL and Josh trying not to play "hero ball" as much as he does will help cut down on the turnovers. Your post had made it sound like the two QBs were simply interchangeable, “put this guy here and this one here…” and I didn’t think that was the case. Josh’s turnovers have to get cleaned up, like you said hopefully a better OL won’t have him feeling pressure where there’s none. He did leave clean pockets and made things tougher on himself as well. Another aspect of Josh’s game that must improve is field vision. I don’t know what happened this last season, but it seemed he regressed a bit. Players were open, but he wasn’t seeing things clearly. Does that have to do with the OL as well? Possibly. Allen is his own worst critic and I loved seeing his was still visibly distraught talking about the season after a few weeks had gone by. He knows what needs to be improved and hopefully takes his game to an even higher level next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 43 minutes ago, Warcodered said: He was a favorite personality wish it could have worked out better here. Future NYG. 1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said: Your post had made it sound like the two QBs were simply interchangeable, “put this guy here and this one here…” and I didn’t think that was the case. Josh’s turnovers have to get cleaned up, like you said hopefully a better OL won’t have him feeling pressure where there’s none. He did leave clean pockets and made things tougher on himself as well. Another aspect of Josh’s game that must improve is field vision. I don’t know what happened this last season, but it seemed he regressed a bit. Players were open, but he wasn’t seeing things clearly. Does that have to do with the OL as well? Possibly. Allen is his own worst critic and I loved seeing his was still visibly distraught talking about the season after a few weeks had gone by. He knows what needs to be improved and hopefully takes his game to an even higher level next year. Maybe not having Daboll was a bigger loss for Josh then we thought? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: With McK released, we should have about 11.5 in space. This should happens ASAP. I think OBJ is a very good bet if they release McKenzie and save $11.5million to use on OBJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gregg said: Future NYG. Maybe not having Daboll was a bigger loss for Josh then we thought? A seasoned, veteran play caller versus a first year one can’t be understated. Daboll had his faults too, many on this board wanted him gone, but I like that Dorsey and Allen have an entire year of tape to pore over. They’ll get it right, I fully believe that. It’s on McD and the defense to get their side corrected. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, wppete said: This should happens ASAP. I think OBJ is a very good bet if they release McKenzie and save $11.5million to use on OBJ. We need a mlb pretty badly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, Bobby Hooks said: We need a mlb pretty badly. Who’s left out there? Or do we go MLB in the draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, wppete said: This should happens ASAP. I think OBJ is a very good bet if they release McKenzie and save $11.5million to use on OBJ. I think it has more to do with Harty being a better mid-deep range WR. McKenzie was most effective in the short range throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 obj is one big distraction.....no way he joins this team the only reason its even part of a conversation is out of respect for von miller who was pushing hard for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, wppete said: This should happens ASAP. I think OBJ is a very good bet if they release McKenzie and save $11.5million to use on OBJ. he'd take more than that. he's asking for 15-20M. And we need $ for rookies. We would need more restructures If OBJ comes to the Bills, I don't really understand all the hate he gets. He's had his moments on the sideline with his outbursts, but his teammates love him and he seems like he's a good dude. I think he'd fit in well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, wppete said: Who’s left out there? Or do we go MLB in the draft? Bobby Wagner. I thought we were getting Lavonte David. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, BeastMode54 said: he'd take more than that. he's asking for 15-20M. And we need $ for rookies. We would need more restructures It makes all the sense in the world to extend Hyde to match Poyer, along with Daquan Jones so we can have literally one DT under contract for ‘24. As long as all parties are willing, I’d think we could see both happening at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, wppete said: Who’s left out there? Or do we go MLB in the draft? I think it’s draft at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, wppete said: Who’s left out there? Or do we go MLB in the draft? Wagner or draft Jack Campbell 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, Gregg said: I give Mahomes plenty of credit. He is a great QB and right now the best in the game. But Mahomes has one of the best OL's in the league with Allen having one of the worst. Josh deserves some blame here. He does turnover the ball over to much and he needs to clean up that part of his game. But at the same he is running for his life on many plays because of a weak OL. A better OL and Josh trying not to play "hero ball" as much as he does will help cut down on the turnovers. I think you're right that Mahomes' receiving corps weren't elite, but neither was Allen's. If you grant that Diggs and Kelsey are equivalent, who had the better receivers? At best it's a wash, but I would give Mahomes the edge. Plus, as you say, he had one of the best lines in the league and Allen the worst. So I can't agree with what has become the consensus view that Mahomes is better. Put him behind Allen's line and give him Dorsey calling his plays instead of Reid and we'll see who's better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just posted this in the Poyer thread, for all the capologists out there 7 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Wagner or draft Jack Campbell I'm warming to one of these ancient free agent vets. Mostly because they would still need OL, DL, and WR early in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Wagner or draft Jack Campbell Now that is a classic MLB name 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 47 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: No, just about 2.5M. They went over all the numbers this morning on Wgr. It's about 2.5 for draft, 3 for injuries and settlements and another 3-4m for PS elevations. I believe those were the numbers they listed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: They went over all the numbers this morning on Wgr. It's about 2.5 for draft, 3 for injuries and settlements and another 3-4m for PS elevations. I believe those were the numbers they listed. Putting on my GM hat, if we have 11.5M currently, that accounts for about 9M of it. I’d probably be trying to work with Hyde and Jones with extensions that could free up another 3-4M this year. Would give us enough money for one more impact signing/trade and then it will be fill-out-the-roster time. Still hoping for an Ed Oliver trade so we can really make some moves, but not getting my hopes up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 as any of the rookies make the 53 ....an equal number leave, offsetting some of that cap space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 The Bills can still move money around if they want adjusting Dawkins and White alone gives them something like an additional 12 mill. It’s obvious WR, TE, LB, OL will be draft areas as I think the Bills pickup a bigger back that Beane wants here shortly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: Putting on my GM hat, if we have 11.5M currently, that accounts for about 9M of it. I’d probably be trying to work with Hyde and Jones with extensions that could free up another 3-4M this year. Would give us enough money for one more impact signing/trade and then it will be fill-out-the-roster time. Still hoping for an Ed Oliver trade so we can really make some moves, but not getting my hopes up. Ed Oliver is the key. But they have time to figure that all out. They can do what they want now and figure out extensions and what to do with Oliver later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just posted this in the Poyer thread, for all the capologists out there Wow. Way less than I thought. Love it 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Wagner or draft Jack Campbell Wagner will be too expensive. I’ve always liked Drue Tranqeull’s game dating back to his days at ND. Drew Sanders is a guy who is a lot like Edmunds coming out. Tall, lanky and very good speed. 5 star kid coming out got stuck outside behind Anderson at Bama, transfers to Arky and moves inside. All Sec and some AA teams. True Junior so he’s young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, SCBills said: Putting on my GM hat, if we have 11.5M currently, that accounts for about 9M of it. I’d probably be trying to work with Hyde and Jones with extensions that could free up another 3-4M this year. Would give us enough money for one more impact signing/trade and then it will be fill-out-the-roster time. Still hoping for an Ed Oliver trade so we can really make some moves, but not getting my hopes up. Beane was asked about Edmunds, not bring able to resign (draft/develop/extend). And he brought up both Gabe and Ed as guys they'd like to keep around past rookie deal. Beane usually doesn't bring up players unprovoked, then follow that up with a lie. I'm expecting Oliver sticks around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said: Wagner will be too expensive. I’ve always liked Drue Tranqeull’s game dating back to his days at ND. Drew Sanders is a guy who is a lot like Edmunds coming out. Tall, lanky and very good speed. 5 star kid coming out got stuck outside behind Anderson at Bama, transfers to Arky and moves inside. All Sec and some AA teams. True Junior so he’s young. What’s too expensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said: Wagner will be too expensive. I’ve always liked Drue Tranqeull’s game dating back to his days at ND. Drew Sanders is a guy who is a lot like Edmunds coming out. Tall, lanky and very good speed. 5 star kid coming out got stuck outside behind Anderson at Bama, transfers to Arky and moves inside. All Sec and some AA teams. True Junior so he’s young. I think 6-8 mil gets Wagner in here. Worth it, especially if we plan on drafting a non-day 1 started at MLB 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, finn said: I think you're right that Mahomes' receiving corps weren't elite, but neither was Allen's. If you grant that Diggs and Kelsey are equivalent, who had the better receivers? At best it's a wash, but I would give Mahomes the edge. Plus, as you say, he had one of the best lines in the league and Allen the worst. So I can't agree with what has become the consensus view that Mahomes is better. Put him behind Allen's line and give him Dorsey calling his plays instead of Reid and we'll see who's better. That's when the "specials elite" player comes out. like said, Burrow weet to a SB with a bad line (not to say they shouldn't upgrade at their OL if it s truly a problem), crap the eagles when into the SB running a damn high school offense, Brady documented had an average receivers in his SB runs with the pats....and a lot of what Mahomes does is because of the player he is. yea Reid helps here and there but Mahomes executes that is not saying Allen does not, and Allen has on many occasions showed it's Allen on this team and everyone else..but can't keep blaming coaches when it doesnt work for you. Elite players over come that most time.. Edited March 17, 2023 by Ghost_002! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 More in-depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Draconator said: More in-depth Spotrac has his 2023 cap hit of $3.6M. 2024 of $6.25M. Way better than I hoped for. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jordan-poyer-12500/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said: Where’s the Pegula jet? ✈️ 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Yeah once Epps and those other safeties were taking deals in the 2/12 range, I was saying Jordan was going to get something in the range of 6-8 per for 2-3 years. I was told I was wrong because he was "so much better," but it made sense to me at the time, so here we are. Did I think it would be with us? No, I did not. End of the day, that's fair market value, and to me, that is all you can ask for from a player/team perspective. It works for all parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Draconator said: Just posted this in the Poyer thread, for all the capologists out there Sal just posted this... Jordan Poyer's deal with Bills: Signing bonus: $4M Base salaries: 2023: $2.240M (fully gtd) 2024: $4.740M (fully gtd 5th day of league yr) + $510K roster bonus ($30K/game) + $250K workout bonus each year Total guarantees: $4.5M This is about what I thought for him to come back....I am pretty surprised. Seems he likely had better offers... Edited March 17, 2023 by JoeF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, Virgil said: I think 6-8 mil gets Wagner in here. Worth it, especially if we plan on drafting a non-day 1 started at MLB We have 9 mil according to Beane. That is for draft picks and FA rookies (3.5 last year). That also doesn’t include any spring/summer/fall FAs. I don’t know how we can afford that unless you want to keep restructuring and kicking the can down the road. Like Beane said, eventually you’ll have to pay. I don’t think Wagner, who is very good, is worth it. We still need a verteran RB too and a guy like Tranquil would come cheaper and he’s young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, Shanahan's Horseshoe said: We have 9 mil according to Beane. That is for draft picks and FA rookies (3.5 last year). That also doesn’t include any spring/summer/fall FAs. I don’t know how we can afford that unless you want to keep restructuring and kicking the can down the road. Like Beane said, eventually you’ll have to pay. I don’t think Wagner, who is very good, is worth it. We still need a verteran RB too and a guy like Tranquil would come cheaper and he’s young we have more like 11.3 now. & can create up to another 20 or so if we want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: we have more like 11.3 now. & can create up to another 20 or so if we want Hearing Beane speak yesterday about eventually having to pay, I don’t think he restructures any other contracts unless it’s for a big ticket item. I just don’t think MLB move the needle that much for this team. OL and WR yes. JMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said: Hearing Beane speak yesterday about eventually having to pay, I don’t think he restructures any other contracts unless it’s for a big ticket item. I just don’t think MLB move the needle that much for this team. OL and WR yes. JMO You’re right, unless they play special teams exclusively, then let’s break’em off. I’m sorry it’s just frustrating! Especially since kickoffs can be kicked out of the end zone now. Edited March 17, 2023 by 0017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said: I'm expecting Oliver sticks around. I'll attempt to contain my excitement 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I'll attempt to contain my excitement Ed is the new whipping boy!! It'd be nice if he showed up for more than 3 games per season. When he's on, he is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Dane Jackson back w bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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