DK Metcalf video

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Funny thing about DK Metcalf is he’s never put up gaudy numbers. They’re great #2/replaceable #1 type stats. You’d think he’d put up numbers like Diggs. 

[folz]

Guesstimating the jump in that video, it looked to be about 67". DK's vertical at the combine was 40.5". The video is obviously fake.

 

The highest standing vertical jump (as opposed to a platform vertical jump) recorded in an organized testing environment is 47.1 inches. I highly doubt that DK just broke that by nearly two feet. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

13 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Watching his dunks in the celebrity basketball game last night I can verify this is real.

Was the rim at this game double the normal height. This is clearly fake. 

 

Edit- just watched his dunks. While impressive they weren't anything close to this video

Edited February 19, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

How do we get him in Buffalo?

[The Wiz]

19 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

How do we get him in Buffalo?

I think there are planes that fly from Seattle to buffalo.  Might be a connecting flight in between though.

[section122]

9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I would fire on the spot  the scout who piped up in  the draft meeting and said "yeah, forget all that stuff and forget all that film we've seen .....the guy had the 30th 20 yard shuttle and 27th 3 cone drill"

 

He only has 67 total college catches. Don't forget he also had a neck injury that was concerning and the agility weren't just low for his draft they were low for a wr in any draft.

 

A simple google search will show a plethora of articles stating concern for his agility scores.

 

Again he wasn't a can't miss no brainer prospect.  He ended up being great pick but he was taken 64th overall and was the 9th receiver taken.  

 

There were some very good receivers taken before him including aj brown and deebo samuel.  There were also misses by the chiefs and eagles who were the representatives in the super bowl.  You firing those scouts? 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

23 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

That's freakish athleticism.

I'd love to have one WR where the other team simply doesn't know how to contain him.

You and me both 😒

[chongli]

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by chongli

[Dr.Sack]

I love it

[TAinLack.]

 

14 hours ago, section122 said:

 

Check again the only thing he set a record for was fastest 40 for a player over 225 lbs.

 

The only thing he was best at his own combine was most bench presses.

 

He had the 30th 20 yard shuttle and 27th 3 cone drill which called into question his agility along with a neck injury in college.

 

He wasnt the can't miss prospect you are smugly declaring him to be.  

 

Wow, he really needs to work on his celebratory ball spinning skills!

Edited February 19, 2023 by TAinLA

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Sure glad we didn't draft him when he was available 👍👍

 

 

[gobills404]

6 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Ok, his yards per catch dropped the last couple years but he still had over a 1,000 yards in 2022 with Gino Smith throwing to him.

If we can get a 6'4" receiver with that speed and vertical, despite route limitations, I'll take it. 

All that freaky athleticism and yet in 3 of 4 seasons his yards per game has been on par with 2022 Gabe Davis

[Gugny]

I remember that draft night like it was yesterday.

 

@Pine Barrens Mafiamust have created 14 threads saying, "PLEASE!  IF THERE IS A GOD ... DRAFT ANYONE NOT NAMED DK METCALF!!"

 

I hope he's happy now.

[Nephilim17]

3 hours ago, gobills404 said:

All that freaky athleticism and yet in 3 of 4 seasons his yards per game has been on par with 2022 Gabe Davis

Seems like you're implying Davis and Metcalf are pretty similar in terms of production.

Davis' first three seasons total yards:
2020: 599
2021: 549
2022: 836

Metcalf's first four seasons total yards:
2019: 900

2020: 1303   

2021: 967

2022: 1048

 

So you wanna talk yards per game and only count the games Davis started?

Look at his season three: a bona fide starter with Josh Freakin' Allen throwing to him and he had 836 yards.

Metcalof outproduced that in all four of his season and in his second pro season got 1303 yards, 467 yards more than Davis' full-time starter season three, or 56% more than Davis's best season. 56%.

 

If Davis ever gets 1200 yards in one season for any team I will give $100 to the charity of your choice. I doubt he'll ever get 1000 yards but that's my offer to you. And nothing in return.

Davis and Metcalf are not similar in the least in terms of production. I put my money where my mouth is. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

4 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Seems like you're implying Davis and Metcalf are pretty similar in terms of production.

Davis' first three seasons total yards:
2020: 599
2021: 549
2022: 836

Metcalf's first four seasons total yards:
2019: 900

2020: 1303   

2021: 967

2022: 1048

 

So you wanna talk yards per game and only count the games Davis started?

Look at his season three: a bona fide starter with Josh Freakin' Allen throwing to him and he had 836 yards.

Metcalof outproduced that in all four of his season and in his second pro season got 1303 yards, 467 yards more than Davis' full-time starter season three, or 56% more than Davis's best season. 56%.

 

If Davis ever gets 1200 yards in one season for any team I will give $100 to the charity of your choice. I doubt he'll ever get 1000 yards but that's my offer to you. And nothing in return.

Davis and Metcalf are not similar in the least in terms of production. I put my money where my mouth is. 

Oh for sure, especially in terms of catch and drop percentage.

 

Metcalf hasn’t lived up to his potential yet, he could wind up being a top WR in the league but I’m not sure he’s earned the big bucks or the heavy trade value. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 hours ago, section122 said:

 

He only has 67 total college catches. Don't forget he also had a neck injury that was concerning and the agility weren't just low for his draft they were low for a wr in any draft.

 

A simple google search will show a plethora of articles stating concern for his agility scores.

 

Again he wasn't a can't miss no brainer prospect.  He ended up being great pick but he was taken 64th overall and was the 9th receiver taken.  

 

There were some very good receivers taken before him including aj brown and deebo samuel.  There were also misses by the chiefs and eagles who were the representatives in the super bowl.  You firing those scouts? 

 

 

Yeah but did any of them draft a DT that can't rush the passer or stop the run AND a guard who's now effectively out of the league?

Edited February 19, 2023 by Pine Barrens Mafia

[Sherlock Holmes]

11 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

You and me both 😒

Good thing we passed on the best receiver in football...Cooper Kupp

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, section122 said:

 

He only has 67 total college catches. Don't forget he also had a neck injury that was concerning and the agility weren't just low for his draft they were low for a wr in any draft.

 

A simple google search will show a plethora of articles stating concern for his agility scores.

 

Again he wasn't a can't miss no brainer prospect.  He ended up being great pick but he was taken 64th overall and was the 9th receiver taken.  

 

There were some very good receivers taken before him including aj brown and deebo samuel.  There were also misses by the chiefs and eagles who were the representatives in the super bowl.  You firing those scouts? 

 

 

 

Why would I fire scouts who are wearing their shiny new SB rings in the meeting?  The Chiefs and Eagles have both won SBs since 2017 and both lost a lot of guys, rebuilt parts of their teams, and got back to the SB this past season.  Are you really pointing out that their scouts are lacking because they (of all teams!) passed on Metcalf?

 

Come on...go back and edit your post!

 

Anyway, no one was looking at a beast like Metcalf for his "agility".  And they Bills were desperate for WR help--actually ANY skill position help--after finishing the 2018 season with Foster/Benjamin/Croom/Zay Jones as receivers.  Their solution?  Bring in tail-end-career 2nd and 3rd options Beasley and Brown (hilariously, they would repeat this sad bit in a bizarre act of desperation this season!) , passing on Metcalf, Diontae Johnson, AJ Brown...guys at a desperately needed playmaker position, for an O-lineman.  They compounded the error by taking a RB in the 3rd when they could have had their O-lineman in the second and a WR (McLaurin, for example).  With 2 picks in the 3rd, they came away with Singletary and Knox.   Look at al the WRs that came out of that draft.  Slayton, Renfro.

 

Beane mightily struggles to select Offensive skill players. He has always disregarded the WR position.  He figures he struck gold with Josh Allen so, what's left to do?

[section122]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Why would I fire scouts who are wearing their shiny new SB rings in the meeting?  The Chiefs and Eagles have both won SBs since 2017 and both lost a lot of guys, rebuilt parts of their teams, and got back to the SB this past season.  Are you really pointing out that their scouts are lacking because they (of all teams!) passed on Metcalf?

 

Come on...go back and edit your post!

 

Anyway, no one was looking at a beast like Metcalf for his "agility".  And they Bills were desperate for WR help--actually ANY skill position help--after finishing the 2018 season with Foster/Benjamin/Croom/Zay Jones as receivers.  Their solution?  Bring in tail-end-career 2nd and 3rd options Beasley and Brown (hilariously, they would repeat this sad bit in a bizarre act of desperation this season!) , passing on Metcalf, Diontae Johnson, AJ Brown...guys at a desperately needed playmaker position, for an O-lineman.  They compounded the error by taking a RB in the 3rd when they could have had their O-lineman in the second and a WR (McLaurin, for example).  With 2 picks in the 3rd, they came away with Singletary and Knox.   Look at al the WRs that came out of that draft.  Slayton, Renfro.

 

Beane mightily struggles to select Offensive skill players. He has always disregarded the WR position.  He figures he struck gold with Josh Allen so, what's left to do?

 

 

Them winning super bowls was exactly my point.  You said you would fire scouts who discounted metcalf for his agility score.  I used the chiefs and eagles because they didnt just choose another position they prioritized the position then chose a different wr than metcalf who are much worse than metcalf.  Jjaw who the eagles took is every bit as bad as cody ford.

 

Taking metcalf over ford was clearly the right choice but thats not at all what was being discussed. Metcalf being some cant miss prospect was.

 

Also are you arguing prioritizing the wr position over building the oline?  I disagree with that take if so.  This year is a good example of that.  I think the Bills will benefit more fixing the o line as opposed to finding a wr2.  The chiefs have a worse wr room than the bills imo. 

[section122]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Yeah but did any of them draft a DT that can't rush the passer or stop the run AND a guard who's now effectively out of the league?

Eagles drafted andre dillard and jjaw so yes they had a bad couple of picks salvaged with miles sanders who was also drafted before metcalf.

 

Patriots drafted nkeal harry and joejuan williams before metcalf who both busted.

 

Chiefs drafted mecole hardman who has been mediocre and juan thornhill who has been productive.  

 

Chiefs definitely had the best draft but missed on the wr valuation.  The Bills didnt even draft that position in the first 2 rounds so choosing this hill to hammer them on is kind of silly.

 

Yes it would be great to have metcalf on this team but he went 64th overall and the 9th wr overall.  Every team had a chance to take him.  Some very good front offices passed on him and selected other wrs that were much worse.  It's the draft that happens.

 

 

[CoudyBills]

On 2/18/2023 at 8:31 AM, section122 said:

 

Check again the only thing he set a record for was fastest 40 for a player over 225 lbs.

 

The only thing he was best at his own combine was most bench presses.

 

He had the 30th 20 yard shuttle and 27th 3 cone drill which called into question his agility along with a neck injury in college.

 

He wasnt the can't miss prospect you are smugly declaring him to be.  

 

Like he said, a lot of stupid people in the world.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

17 hours ago, The Wiz said:

First I see bigfoot and now this.

 

I thought my photo was amazing!

 

Yes, your photo is amazing.  So, where is your photo of Bigfoot? 🤨

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Yes, your photo is amazing.  So, where is your photo of Bigfoot? 🤨

It's been a rough winter.  I haven't shaved in days.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, section122 said:

 

 

Them winning super bowls was exactly my point.  You said you would fire scouts who discounted metcalf for his agility score.  I used the chiefs and eagles because they didnt just choose another position they prioritized the position then chose a different wr than metcalf who are much worse than metcalf.  Jjaw who the eagles took is every bit as bad as cody ford.

 

Taking metcalf over ford was clearly the right choice but thats not at all what was being discussed. Metcalf being some cant miss prospect was.

 

Also are you arguing prioritizing the wr position over building the oline?  I disagree with that take if so.  This year is a good example of that.  I think the Bills will benefit more fixing the o line as opposed to finding a wr2.  The chiefs have a worse wr room than the bills imo. 

 

If the Bills had made it to a single SB over that time span, your point about how the scouts helped build those 3 teams might make a tiny bit of sense.  Also, they did pick WRs, not some bum O-lineman.  They may not have hit on those particular pocks, but that's ok......because they still won SBs.  

 

Come on...

 

Yeah, 3 years later, the Bills have a ton of needs on Offense.   WR is definitely 1.  O-line too.  Maybe Beane and his scouts will have an epiphany.  Or maybe they will just grab a few more AJ Epensa's, Boogie Bashams, etc....

[Brand J]

20 hours ago, chongli said:

 

Shannon called it: DK Metcalf hit with “random” drug test

[ArtVandalay]

On 2/18/2023 at 8:31 AM, section122 said:

 

Check again the only thing he set a record for was fastest 40 for a player over 225 lbs.

 

The only thing he was best at his own combine was most bench presses.

 

He had the 30th 20 yard shuttle and 27th 3 cone drill which called into question his agility along with a neck injury in college.

 

He wasnt the can't miss prospect you are smugly declaring him to be.  

 

This is horrendous revisionist history. DK was literally the talk of the draft/ combine that year, all you hand to do is Google DK Metcalf combine to get all the articles drooling over him. 6'3" 228 jacked monster at WR with 4.33 speed, 27 reps. 40+ vert is absolute insanity and one of the best showings ever for a WR. He absolutely tanked the shuttle and 3 come which he got laughed at for with people saying he doesn't know how to turn. 

 

They reason he fell so far in the draft was a bad neck injury his final year in college... the dude fractured his neck and he was actually told he would never play football again, a second opinion told him he could have a surgery that would allow him to play again. He went straight into the draft didn't play another college game. 

[section122]

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

This is horrendous revisionist history. DK was literally the talk of the draft/ combine that year, all you hand to do is Google DK Metcalf combine to get all the articles drooling over him. 6'3" 228 jacked monster at WR with 4.33 speed, 27 reps. 40+ vert is absolute insanity and one of the best showings ever for a WR. He absolutely tanked the shuttle and 3 come which he got laughed at for with people saying he doesn't know how to turn. 

 

They reason he fell so far in the draft was a bad neck injury his final year in college... the dude fractured his neck and he was actually told he would never play football again, a second opinion told him he could have a surgery that would allow him to play again. He went straight into the draft didn't play another college game. 

 

Literally what i wrote.... 

 

"which called into question his agility along with a neck injury in college."

[thenorthremembers]

On 2/18/2023 at 7:42 PM, Not at the table Karlos said:

Was the rim at this game double the normal height. This is clearly fake. 

 

Edit- just watched his dunks. While impressive they weren't anything close to this video

i had to re-watch the video.  You're correct, clearly fake.

[JGMcD2]

On 2/18/2023 at 10:10 AM, KDIGGZ said:

It's his overall measurables that are absolutely off the charts which made him comparable and arguably better prospect than Julio Jones who was the #6 overall pick in his draft and that was considered him sliding and Atlanta traded up for him as a result. For the Bills, who didn't have Diggs at the time, to pass on Metcalf twice was completely unfathomable. Every NFL fan knew it at the time and it's still true today.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/3/18247898/dk-metcalf-2019-nfl-combine-superhero-performance-40-vertical

Not just the Bills… every team. The Seahawks passed on him twice before selecting him lol. LJ Collier and Marquise Blair. 

 

This wasn’t a slam dunk like you’re making it out to be. 

[KDIGGZ]

41 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Not just the Bills… every team. The Seahawks passed on him twice before selecting him lol. LJ Collier and Marquise Blair. 

 

This wasn’t a slam dunk like you’re making it out to be. 

It was and it's a case of GM's overthinking it. Every year there is someone where fans are like omg how is this guy still available and then of course that guy goes on to be a star. It's just football, pick the best football player

[Jauronimo]

On 2/18/2023 at 8:10 AM, KDIGGZ said:

It's his overall measurables that are absolutely off the charts which made him comparable and arguably better prospect than Julio Jones who was the #6 overall pick in his draft and that was considered him sliding and Atlanta traded up for him as a result. For the Bills, who didn't have Diggs at the time, to pass on Metcalf twice was completely unfathomable. Every NFL fan knew it at the time and it's still true today.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/3/18247898/dk-metcalf-2019-nfl-combine-superhero-performance-40-vertical

Great measurables, injury concern, and not enough college production is exactly what NFL busts are made of.  He was the clear third option at Ole Miss and his stats reflect that.   How do you reconcile can't miss NFL star with 9th WR off the board?

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

It was and it's a case of GM's overthinking it. Every year there is someone where fans are like omg how is this guy still available and then of course that guy goes on to be a star. It's just football, pick the best football player

It was not a slam dunk. A neck fracture is an enormous risk… in the event something goes wrong and he can’t play… you’re likely the same guy on here saying “Why would they take a guy when there were serious injury questions?”
 

Those are legitimate things you need to weigh as a GM… and every team viewed it pretty similar. This isn’t Madden with injuries turned off. 

43 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Great measurables, injury concern, and not enough college production is exactly what NFL busts are made of.  He was the clear third option at Ole Miss and his stats reflect that.   How do you reconcile can't miss NFL star with 9th WR off the board?

The answer is hindsight. 

[DrDawkinstein]

39 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

It was not a slam dunk. A neck fracture is an enormous risk… in the event something goes wrong and he can’t play… you’re likely the same guy on here saying “Why would they take a guy when there were serious injury questions?”
 

Those are legitimate things you need to weigh as a GM… and every team viewed it pretty similar. This isn’t Madden with injuries turned off. 

The answer is hindsight. 

 

Even with hindsight, I am still taking Deebo Samuel and AJ Brown before Metcalf.

 

There is a LOT to second guess from every GM in the 2019 draft.

[Fan in Chicago]

17 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Shannon called it: DK Metcalf hit with “random” drug test

Doesn't meet the definition of "random" 

[Nephilim17]

Regardless of whether the vid is a fake, when you're 6'4" and weight 225 lb. and you have a 40.5" vertical, that's scary. 

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Doesn't meet the definition of "random" 

That’s the running joke in the league and something I believe Lockett from the Seahawks had issue with. These tests aren’t all that random, they most often follow a great performance. I’m surprised Gabe Davis wasn’t “randomly” drug tested after his 4 TD playoff performance last year. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Doesn't meet the definition of "random" 

 

From what I was just reading, offseason tests arent random.

 

Quote

Offseason tests aren't part of the random testing protocol. So this wasn't remotely random. From the PES Policy summary from the NFL:

 

Players under contract who are not otherwise subject to reasonable cause testing may be tested during the off-season months at the discretion of the Independent Administrator, subject to the collectively bargained maximum of six (including blood tests) off-season tests.

 

Random testing during the season is done by computer and despite what the other guy said is actually random. It creates the massive number of coincidences because they test 10 people from each team every week, which means that you're going to hit a LOT of players after great games.