FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 The Bucs are tanking. They are taking a $35M cap hit on the chin for Brady next season. Mike Evans will be 30 next year. Last year of his contract. A pre 6/1 trade costs them a massive cap penalty, 21M, with only 2M in savings. Post 6/1, they save $14M and spread it over two seasons. What does a 30 year old WR without a contract go for on a team that is about to have 2-3 years of pain? A second and a fourth? 9 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I'm open to it.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) How we going to fit his 23 million cap hit? Edited February 17, 2023 by GolfandBills 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, GolfandBills said: How we going to fit his 23 million cap hit? He doesn't have a $23M cap hit if traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 This ain’t madden bro 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Sign Poyer and trade him for Evans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: He doesn't have a $23M cap hit if traded. Were you seeing this at? Everything I’ve seen says the team takes on full contract terms with a trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 If anything I think Buffalo needs to trade down and play the compensation game for draft picks. Borrow a page from what Belichick did all those years. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: How we going to fit his 23 million cap hit? Trade away Josh Allen for Mike Evans. Problem solved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: How we going to fit his 23 million cap hit? There is a good podcast where they touch on it a bit. It would be $14 million cap hit if traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, GolfandBills said: Were you seeing this at? Everything I’ve seen says the team takes on full contract terms with a trade. spotrac.com That's never been how it works. Trades accelerate the guarantees of the team trading the player AWAY. It's why Diggs is now untradeable for the next few years. It's why CMC had a cap hit of 600k for the 49ers last season, but is costing the Panther 26M in dead money. 4 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: If anything I think Buffalo needs to trade down and play the compensation game for draft picks. Borrow a page from what Belichick did all those years. BB sucked at drafting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I wouldn't hate it but it looked to me like he lost a step last year. He isn't explosive which is the biggest element our offense is missing. If we're going to trade for that style of WR I would prefer DeAndre Hopkins, and it's already been reported that he is in fact available for trade. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Are we extending Gabe Davis? If not, I’m certainly open to sending Gabe to Tampa for Mike Evans. Still need to draft a WR early. Then we can platoon Beasley and Shakir in the slot. Edited February 17, 2023 by SCBills 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: BB sucked at drafting. He was smart in terms of role players and system fits. He was also smart when it came to paying the right players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: This ain’t madden bro The heck you say...those ratings are for realz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Yes they should and Deandre Hopkins while we are at it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 There’s looking to be a flurry of 30+ year old receivers to be available. Hopkins, Beckham, possibly Keenan Allen and Robert woods. I like evans but I just don’t think they’re going to make moves this offseason. They may target some complimentary type role players imo.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I wouldn't hate it but it looked to me like he lost a step last year. He isn't explosive which is the biggest element our offense is missing. If we're going to trade for that style of WR I would prefer DeAndre Hopkins, and it's already been reported that he is in fact available for trade. I hear you. I think Evans is a pedigree player and a good locker room fit. Won a championship. This would be Hop's third team in 4 years. He has a volatile reputation, something I wouldn't want to introduce with Diggs and co. I actually think I overrated Evans' price. I think a third gets it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Here's the article: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2023/02/mike-evans-to-the-bills-for-gabe-davis-nfl-salary-cap-expert-serves-up-bills-offseason-hot-take.html " The 29-year-old has a projected market value of four years and $92 million for his next contract, according to spotrac.com. That comes out to about $23 million per year." I don't want two 30-plus receivers making $50 million a year for the next few years. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: He was smart in terms of role players and system fits. He was also smart when it came to paying the right players. Not particularly. His system was "Tom Brady is the best QB of all time and can throw to literal garbage cans." He drafted 2 ProBowlers since 2014. Joe Thuney (who plays for the Chiefs) and Mac Jones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Not particularly. His system was "Tom Brady is the best QB of all time and can throw to literal garbage cans." He drafted 2 ProBowlers since 2014. Joe Thuney (who plays for the Chiefs) and Mac Jones. He made it to a Super Bowl with Bledsoe IIRC correctly and went 10-5 with Matt Cassel. I hate defending Belichick, I really do but to say he’s a bad coach is flat out wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: He made it to a Super Bowl with Bledsoe IIRC correctly and went 10-5 with Matt Cassel. I hate defending Belichick, I really do but to say he’s a bad coach is flat out wrong. He's bad at drafting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I don't know. We can get this kind of production from Gabe. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 How many times do I have to tell people that winning teams don't allocate huge cap dollars to WR2? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: He made it to a Super Bowl with Bledsoe IIRC correctly and went 10-5 with Matt Cassel. I hate defending Belichick, I really do but to say he’s a bad coach is flat out wrong. Let’s not act like making it to the super bowl with Bledsoe was a testament to his supreme coaching, Bledsoe was an excellent QB. That being said, Bellicheat is arguably the greatest defensive coach of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: How many times do I have to tell people that winning teams don't allocate huge cap dollars to WR2? What does this mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: This ain’t madden bro i hate this board shooting down any trade idea for a guy "ive heard of". bills are in need of a wr. op presented a valid argument for both sides having a motivation to do something like this. will it happen? likely no, bc its the nfl not the nba, but we see several star players traded every year. the same ppl shooting down a thought are the same ones thatd rush out to buy the jersey 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: He's bad at drafting. In respects to his drafting.. Belichick always went after smart and instinctive players rather than physical freaks. Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Wes Welker etc. (I know not all of these guys were drafted by him, but it still shows you his blueprint nonetheless) He placed more value on having a smart team rather than one full of All Stars. Of course he did have those guys too (Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Gronk etc) but once again, he valued smarts and instincts more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: In respects to his drafting.. Belichick always went after smart and instinctive players rather than physical freaks. Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Wes Welker etc. (I know not all of these guys were drafted by him, but it still shows you his blueprint nonetheless) He placed more value on having a smart team rather than one full of All Stars. Of course he did have those guys too (Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Gronk etc) but once again, he valued smarts and instincts more than anything. Sure, he had a system. He also found a lot of diamonds in the rough in UDFA or cast-offs from other teams. But he still sucked at drafting lol. BB drafted 2 Pro-Bowlers in the last 9 years. We drafted 2 ProBowlers in 2018. If Beane goes another 4 without a single Pro-Bowler, he needs to go lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) no thank you Edited February 17, 2023 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Sure, he had a system. He also found a lot of diamonds in the rough in UDFA or cast-offs from other teams. But he still sucked at drafting lol. BB drafted 2 Pro-Bowlers in the last 9 years. We drafted 2 ProBowlers in 2018. If Beane goes another 4 without a single Pro-Bowler, he needs to go lol. Who would you rather be the QB of your defense? Tedy Bruschi or Tremaine Edmunds? Edmunds made 2 Pro Bowls in the last 5 years and Bruschi only made 1 in his entire career. See what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Who would you rather be the QB of your defense? Tedy Bruschi or Tremaine Edmunds? Edmunds made 2 Pro Bowls in the last 5 years and Bruschi only made 1 in his entire career. See what I mean? He didn't draft Teddy dude. Sure Pro Bowls aren't the best marker but you'd think with Brady throwing the ball, he'd had more than Mac Jones and Thuney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) You guys would not like this. Evans is infuriating to watch. He runs no routes, if he even decides to go more than 70% effort. And then he’ll have a game or two where it looks like he should be a top five WR all time. We are looking for a complete WR that can cross, work the middle, and take a short pass and YAC the hell out of it. JA doesn’t need to be throwing six fly routes to Evans a game. Edited February 17, 2023 by Thrivefourfive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Sure, he had a system. He also found a lot of diamonds in the rough in UDFA or cast-offs from other teams. But he still sucked at drafting lol. BB drafted 2 Pro-Bowlers in the last 9 years. We drafted 2 ProBowlers in 2018. If Beane goes another 4 without a single Pro-Bowler, he needs to go lol. 2017 was even better. 2 all-pros (Tre & Milano) and a probowler (Dawkins). Interestingly, if you add in FA McDermott added 4 all-pros and a probowler. Could use some of that juice this off-season, particularly in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) This. Draft OL first 3 rounds. G, T, C. Trade Oliver, 2024 2nd for Mike Evans. Sign OBJ Diggs Evans OBJ Shakir Davis let them work their tails off for more snaps Edited February 17, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I personally try to avoid getting older. No success thus far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: This. Draft OL first 3 rounds. G, T, C. Trade Oliver, 2024 2nd for Mike Evans. Sign OBJ They passed on this.. They have no interest in Oliver What’s your counter offer? Edited February 17, 2023 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, hemma said: I personally try to avoid getting older. No success thus far. Keep working at it, it’s not as easy as it should be! The Bills and everything related certainly don’t help that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: They passed on this.. They have no interest in Oliver What’s your counter offer? Gabe Davis and a 2024 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Gabe Davis and a 2024 2nd I think this would have more chance as they need to eat dead cap by trading Evans, so doubt they want to take on Oliver’s money and they will get Gabe on the cheap at $2m….still think the 2nd would need to be 2023.. The Bills really need to get their OL fixed as the starting point … I would be looking at a mid level FA acquisition and a top 100 pick at a minimum…. If they can do that and still make this move then great… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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