Figster Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) Edited February 8, 2023 by Figster 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 He did tie Ja'marr Chase though, so there's that. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 He went from Big Game Gabe to Big Drop Davis in one year. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Trade him for whatever can get for him. He's no longer an asset. Maybe some team will send a 5th or 6th rounder for him. Sadly, that is all he is worth now. 3 1 8 1 1 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: He did tie Ja'marr Chase though, so there's that. Gabe Davis was emotionally exhausted and out of gas like Saffold due to the Tops shooting and snowstorms. Hence all the drops. Should be better next year 1 1 4 4 11 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Gabes problem other than he can’t catch is that he’s horrible in the short and intermediate areas of the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Allen asking for Brown and Bease is not a good sign for Davis and McKenzie. Davis is cheap, but they must bring another guy to provide legitimate competition for that role. 5 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Should start a beat a dead horse forum section. For obsessive repetitive can’t get enough of themselves thread starters. 2 4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, ChasBB said: Trade him for whatever can get for him. He's no longer an asset. Maybe some team will send a 5th or 6th rounder for him. Sadly, that is all he is worth now. That’s an overreaction-definitely not worth trading him for a 5th or 6th 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: That’s an overreaction-definitely not worth trading him for a 5th or 6th Perhaps, but I just don't TRUST him any longer and I don't think any team would give much more than that for him after this season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Gabe Davis was emotionally exhausted and out of gas like Saffold due to the Tops shooting and snowstorms. Hence all the drops. Should be better next year Is that sarcasm? I sure hope so. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: That’s an overreaction-definitely not worth trading him for a 5th or 6th Absolutely. I've been down on Gabe before, but then I have to remember it's high risk, high reward when it comes to his play. He was 33rd in yards and tied for 15th in tds, both good rankings for a #2 WR. It gets better when you see he's T-48th in targets. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Like with Knox, I will go on the record and say I still believe. Gabe can learn from Knox on the hands/concentration front. Improve his routes a bit, and I have high hopes. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Best in the NFL! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, Figster said: Can't be. I read here that he is a solid number 2 option. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) Why posted today, everyone knows it and has been a bone of contention all year? Caught one contested pass all year (vs. Pitt). Wanted/hoped for more and never happened. Edited February 6, 2023 by Billsfan1972 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 Just now, Augie said: Like with Knox, I will go on the record and say I still believe. Gabe can learn from Knox on the hands/concentration front. Improve his routes a bit, and I have high hopes. The numbers from his rookie season on are going in the wrong direction my friend. https://www.rotowire.com/football/player/gabe-davis-14359 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 28 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: Gabes problem other than he can’t catch is that he’s horrible in the short and intermediate areas of the field. Is that all? I thought he had real issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Just now, Figster said: The numbers from his rookie season on are going in the wrong direction my friend. https://www.rotowire.com/football/player/gabe-davis-14359 I can still believe. I may be wrong, and it won’t be the first time, but I’m leaning to him making the uptick. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 70-85 catches, 1000 yds, 8 tds That’s would should’ve happened. It’s the Bills job to figure out why it didn’t go that way, and fox it for next year. If they don’t, the offense is going look even more unimaginative and inefficient than this past season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Allen asking for Brown and Bease is not a good sign for Davis and McKenzie. Davis is cheap, but they must bring another guy to provide legitimate competition for that role. The QB asked for Dorsey and Barkley too. There is certainly a grey area between taking your QB's wishes into consideration and granting him everything. The offense was high scoring and had a lot of chunk plays to it. But it was certainly not methodical. I thought Allen's request for those guys was more an attempt for him to get his groove back and less a condemnation on the guys in house. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Figster said: Depending on who you reference Gabe came in 8th. If you look at the entirety of the league there are many receivers dropping as many passes. I remember Amari Cooper having trouble with drops one year with the Raiders. He's still a great receiver. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving_advanced.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: 70-85 catches, 1000 yds, 8 tds That’s would should’ve happened. It’s the Bills job to figure out why it didn’t go that way, and fox it for next year. If they don’t, the offense is going look even more unimaginative and inefficient than this past season. Actually, I think that is for Gabe Davis to figure out. Maybe wearing out a jugs machine or two this off-season would help him. Does he have that type of commitment? What the Bills need to figure out is how to bring a legit threat in that can replace Davis. The Bills should no longer be banking on Davis to take his craft seriously from February to July. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Depending on who you reference Gabe came in 8th. If you look at the entirety of the league there are many receivers dropping as many passes. I remember Amari Cooper having trouble with drops one year with the Raiders. He's still a great receiver. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving_advanced.htm I agree with you here. 8th is different then tied for 1st so let me check with my sources numbers. He's a Police Officer so If I get locked up over this you may need to bail me out @Maine-iac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Beast said: Actually, I think that is for Gabe Davis to figure out. Maybe wearing out a jugs machine or two this off-season would help him. Does he have that type of commitment? What the Bills need to figure out is how to bring a legit threat in that can replace Davis. The Bills should no longer be banking on Davis to take his craft seriously from February to July. No, that’s exactly it. The Bills need to figure it out. If Davis can fix it, great for him. But the Bills can’t bank on that. What they have is a 50% catch rate WR2, that got most his production in a half handful of games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Remember Dawson Knox once had hands of stone (HoS). The way he corrected it was catching smaller balls, and working on his hand eye coordination and reaction time. I’ve seen Davis offseason training regimen video last offseason it seemed intense and led by a very credible AT geared toward strength and explosiveness. In that video from last summer we saw Davis catch Juggs machine simulating his signature sideline catch. What Gabe needs to do next is focus is on doing exactly what Knox did to improve his hands. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 I'm not ready to give up on him yet. Many wanted to give up on Knox, now the dude makes circus grabs and runs guys over. Lets see how he rebounds, then assess next offseason. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Depending on who you reference Gabe came in 8th. If you look at the entirety of the league there are many receivers dropping as many passes. I remember Amari Cooper having trouble with drops one year with the Raiders. He's still a great receiver. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving_advanced.htm Thanks for this and a correction has been made on my topic title. 8ths not good, but its not tied for the worse in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Well, at least we have Hodgins to fall back on. Oh, wait... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Figster said: Thanks for this and a correction has been made on my topic title. 8ths not good, but its not tied for the worse in the NFL. I think there are multiple groups that are keeping track. The numbers you got totally could have been what one of those groups was reporting, I was just offering the rose colored numbers. Just my opinion but Davis has still got it. He needs to get routes worked in that aren't all contested catches 20 yards down the field to help his catch percentages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, GolfandBills said: Gabes problem other than he can’t catch is that he’s horrible in the short and intermediate areas of the field. And does not seem to have a good sense of finding soft spaces for easy throws- possibly a bigger issue than the drops. a one trick pony deep ball catcher with both modest speed and hands is a tough role to consistently produce in. that said, he never looked crisp all year. Part of me hopes we find out he was playing through some sort of core injury in addition to the early ankle. It could explain so much… 1 hour ago, Mango said: The QB asked for Dorsey and Barkley too. There is certainly a grey area between taking your QB's wishes into consideration and granting him everything. The offense was high scoring and had a lot of chunk plays to it. But it was certainly not methodical. I thought Allen's request for those guys was more an attempt for him to get his groove back and less a condemnation on the guys in house. honestly, after diggs, I felt like a lot of our guys didn’t have a great feel for throttling up or down around soft spots in coverage, and often took angles that left really difficult throws for Josh. Like they didn’t understand the coverage shells and the qb line of sight…. And that was before the spotty hands. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Maine-iac said: I think there are multiple groups that are keeping track. The numbers you got totally could have been what one of those groups was reporting, I was just offering the rose colored numbers. Just my opinion but Davis has still got it. He needs to get routes worked in that aren't all contested catches 20 yards down the field to help his catch percentages. I get where your coming from and why Allens completion percentage was alwsys questioned at the collegiate level. Josh Allen has never padded stats with little Dinks and Dunks. Nor has Gabe Davis IMO. Its not the way he's used IMO. Good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Figster said: I get where your coming from and why Allens completion percentage was alwsys questioned at the collegiate level. Josh Allen has never padded stats with little Dinks and Dunks. Nor has Gabe Davis IMO. Its not the way he's used IMO. Good point It’s not stat padding, it’s keeping drives alive and making defenses pay for making certain decisions. It is a very real, regular, and necessary part of playing the QB position. 4 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Figster said: I get where your coming from and why Allens completion percentage was alwsys questioned at the collegiate level. Josh Allen has never padded stats with little Dinks and Dunks. Nor has Gabe Davis IMO. Its not the way he's used IMO. Good point Gabe Davis runs like a 4.55 forty. The dude better learn how to produce short of 30 yards downfield. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, NoSaint said: And does not seem to have a good sense of finding soft spaces for easy throws- possibly a bigger issue than the drops. a one trick pony deep ball catcher with both modest speed and hands is a tough role to consistently produce in. that said, he never looked crisp all year. Part of me hopes we find out he was playing through some sort of core injury in addition to the early ankle. It could explain so much… honestly, after diggs, I felt like a lot of our guys didn’t have a great feel for throttling up or down around soft spots in coverage, and often took angles that left really difficult throws for Josh. Like they didn’t understand the coverage shells and the qb line of sight…. And that was before the spotty hands. Unsure of Gabes ability here. We just never seem to use him here. Chicken and egg, I won’t take a stand one way or the other. But I am tempted to agree with you. I do think Shakir has a knack for it. In the limited snaps he got, he seems to be very QB friendly. Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought Hodgins flashed here too in camp. It clearly translated to live game speed. I am put 99% of the Shakir/Hodgins issue on McBeane. But given Josh’s ask for Brown, Beasley, Dorsey, and Barkley, I have something nagging that there may be “some” culpability on the QB. But that may just be my frustrations from the season talking still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 40 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Remember Dawson Knox once had hands of stone (HoS). The way he corrected it was catching smaller balls, and working on his hand eye coordination and reaction time. Didn't Knox drop a gimmie TD in the WC game? He's been better but I don't think he is out of the woods yet. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Gabe has proven he is not a legit number 2. He’s a very good #3. I don’t think we can waste another year hoping he will progress without bringing in someone who has a better than average chance of winning that #2 spot. Gabe is a limited route runner without speed who does not separate early which accounts for his abysmal short and intermediate route numbers. I’m not even talking about his drops and lack of contested catches. He’s been figured out and he isn’t making teams pay for doubling Diggs on almost every snap. We need a legit #2 who can run the whole route tree or at least more than Davis is capable of. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 He has the skills to be a great #2 on this team. For a bit there in the playoffs, it looked like he was "back," and making some big plays. The future looks a lot brighter if some of our players who underachieved this past year get back to form in the upcoming season. There are young guys on both offense & defense who just fell short this year. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 I think in an ideal situation, Shakir emerges as the #2 next year. Davis goes back to his role as #3 and thrives. Bring in another speedster to compete with and possibly move on from McKenzie. Would be great to draft a great WR early but with also needing upgrades on the o-line I'm not sure I see that. It does feel like WR salaries have exploded so long-term it may be wise to draft a WR round 1 over an o-lineman. I have two requirements of any WR the Bills draft early. They need either have game breaking speed like a Waddle or Hill or they need to be minimum 6'3". 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Down year from Gabe, for sure. But you all forget some of the insanely difficult and huge catches he made this past year too. As I recall, he made some game-saving 3rd and 20 diving caches, and some really acrobatic and big play ones too (eg, both TDs in the Steelers game). Also, the loss of a true slot this year with the Crowder injury really shouldn’t be held against Gabe. There are things he can improve on, but he is a hard worker and has shown enough flashes to be our #2. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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