PSA: This is Sean McDermott's defense, not Leslie Frazier's

[DapperCam]

Defense looks a lot better when McDermott is calling plays or more involved (I remember him specifically instructing Milano to shoot a gap which led to big plays one game).

 

I think scheme is influenced heavily by McDermott, but Frazier is otherwise in charge including play calling.

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Well, part of the problem is those teams are better than ours. The Bills were a superbowl favorite, and THAT was the great mirage. The Bills were overrated. They aren't there yet. We projected a lot of talent that didn't pan out. We thought Davis could be a #2. He couldn't. We thought McKenzie could be a slot. He couldn't. We thought Bates and Brown would progress. Instead, they regressed.

 

Compound that with all the injuries. The Bills were not as good as we thought they were.

Cheap excuses.....  Falls on the coaches again regardless.  If the Bills were not as good as the Bengals & Chiefs, then devise a game plan to beat them (or go down swinging).  They did not.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Not sure what the point is. Reid was a failure who choked on the biggest stage as his QB puked on the field.  Philadelphia moved on and won a SB. Reid moved on and won a SB. It has no bearing on Buffalo or McDermott. 

 

1 minute ago, Repulsif said:

so, all we have to do as fans is waiting McDermott hopefully follow the same path than Reid, and figure it 10-15 years from now ?

that's all you have ?

 

To Ethan, whether you see my point or not is irrelevant to you, I wasn't responding to a post of yours. And Holy Christ you both need to get a grip. My response was to another poster about Reid actually getting to the Super Bowl with the Eagles and McDermott hadn't. He had conveniently left out that he lost 4 straight years prior to going to the Super Bowl. And he was considered a failure before winning it all a few years ago after many, many postseason failures. Nothing more, nothing less. Repulsif, don't know where you got any of that from my post, reading is hard. I never even referred to McDermott or the Bills a single time in my post.😂

 

 

 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

That feeds into what we're discussing.  As QB Bills said above, it depends upon how big one dreams.  

 

I'll relate it to entrepreneurship.  If someone starts a business, but never takes any chances, that business isn't likely to grow and become what it could have been.  

 

Many of us see that it's pretty obvious, and you seem to imply the same, that we're only going so far with McD, and that distance does not include a championship.  You seem to be content with it while others are not.  

 

Am I willing to risk possible regression in the hopes of winning the big prize?  Sure I am.  You are not, seemingly.  So it really depends upon one's perspectives and goals.  

 

Nothing wrong from a fan perspective simply wanting to go to and enjoy games, or enjoy them on TV.  Many fans have loftier goals tho, and upon realizing that those goals won't be met, they insist upon changes.  

 

McD "made the playoffs" with Taylor in 2017.  So why did we go get a QB?  (Allen)   

 

That's easy, to upgrade.  Many felt that Taylor wasn't adequate to win us a Super Bowl.  They were likely correct.  But we upgraded because he wasn't cutting the Webers.  

 

Are we not to try to upgrade our coaching, wherever therein the issue lies?   

 

Teams move on from good QBs constantly.  Look at Cousins.  Washington cast him off for that reason.  As merely one example.  

 

The question should be, why is coaching exempt.  

 

Look at it this way, before we had oscar meyer hot dogs.  Now we've upgraded to hebrew national, an improvement.  But neither are Sahlens or Zweigle's.  

 

I think Bezo's should have concentrated and continued to sell only books!!!!🤣

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, ILBillsfan said:

holding an opposing offense to under 30 is not something to use as a valid arguement...under the league avg scoring then yeah but tht is a data analyst scewing numbers to try and make a point, thus actually making your analyst look even worst

 

Last year's SB winner allowed an average of 18.75 PPG in the playoffs, a max of 27

2020 Season:  19.5, max of 26 

2019 Season:  25, max of 31  

2018 Season:  20.7, max of 31 

2017 Season:  16.7, max of 33 

2016 Season:  20.3, max of 28 

2015 Season:  20.7, max of 31 

2014 Season:  13.3, max of 17  

2013 Season:  22, max of 35 

2012 Season:  14, max of 20  

 

The average of those averages is 19.9.

 

Us over the past five playoff games:  29.8, with games allowing 31, 36, and 38.  

 

Here are some additional arguments.  In 2020, we allowed the Chiefs to score 38.  The Browns held them to 22 that season, and the Bucs to 9.  

Last season, of "13 Seconds" fame, we allowed 36 points to the Chiefs in regulation.  We had the 1st-ranked scoring D.  Pitt, with the 20th-ranked scoring D allowed 42, while Cinci and it's 17th-ranked D allowed 24.  

This season, our 2nd-ranked scoring D allowed 27 points to Cinci.  The Chiefs' 16th-ranked scoring D allowed only 20 to Cinci.  

 

It just doesn't seem as if playoff football is McD's gig.  

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by PBF81

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, QB Bills said:

I know everyone is still upset about that no-show against Cincinnati but what is going on with this fire Leslie Frazier movement? Don't know whether he's a good coordinator or not, but I've come to realize that his best quality is to take bullets for his incompetent boss.

 

Do fans not realize that McDermott is running the show on that side of the ball? Can you imagine if the Chiefs' offense continually crapped the bed in the playoffs and people said "you know who needs to go? Bienemy. He's really making Andy Reid look bad." Would anyone take that person seriously?

Agreed. I’ve been saying the same thing. Same focus on the same positions. Lots of players brought to Buffalo from Carolina and lots of similarities between other additions and what he had. For example, it didn’t take McD long to try to get his new Kuechly with Edmunds. Same zone concepts even if some have evolved a little. I don’t know how much McD is involved these days, but his finger prints are all over the defensive scheme and personnel. 

[Big Turk]

12 hours ago, QB Bills said:

I know everyone is still upset about that no-show against Cincinnati but what is going on with this fire Leslie Frazier movement? Don't know whether he's a good coordinator or not, but I've come to realize that his best quality is to take bullets for his incompetent boss.

 

Do fans not realize that McDermott is running the show on that side of the ball? Can you imagine if the Chiefs' offense continually crapped the bed in the playoffs and people said "you know who needs to go? Bienemy. He's really making Andy Reid look bad." Would anyone take that person seriously?

 

He isn't. Except in your mind. McD living rent free there.

[PBF81]

29 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Defense looks a lot better when McDermott is calling plays or more involved (I remember him specifically instructing Milano to shoot a gap which led to big plays one game).

 

I think scheme is influenced heavily by McDermott, but Frazier is otherwise in charge including play calling.

 

Well, we know that something's causing our defense to play like crap in the playoffs, they should correct it, whatever it is.  HINT:  It wasn't the Safeties coach.  

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Agreed. I’ve been saying the same thing. Same focus on the same positions. Lots of players brought to Buffalo from Carolina and lots of similarities between other additions and what he had. For example, it didn’t take McD long to try to get his new Kuechly with Edmunds. Same zone concepts even if some have evolved a little. I don’t know how much McD is involved these days, but his finger prints are all over the defensive scheme and personnel. 

 

You raise a good point by implication.  Good coaches figure things out on their own, they don't have to try to reinvent what they've seen elsewhere.  Every team is different, if you try and coach it the same way that you coached another team, that's a mistake.  McD apparently cannot do that.  

 

In other words, a good coach takes the talent that he has, and maximizes it.  I don't think that there are too many people out there, including McD apologists, that would strongly suggest that he's gotten the most out of this roster, ... that he contributed to building by the way.  

 

In fact, come playoff time he gets less out of it defensively.  

Edited February 3, 2023 by PBF81

[Billsfan1972]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Well, part of the problem is those teams are better than ours. The Bills were a superbowl favorite, and THAT was the great mirage. The Bills were overrated. They aren't there yet. We projected a lot of talent that didn't pan out. We thought Davis could be a #2. He couldn't. We thought McKenzie could be a slot. He couldn't. We thought Bates and Brown would progress. Instead, they regressed.

 

Compound that with all the injuries. The Bills were not as good as we thought they were.

I call Bull.  Experts all had Buffalo as the favourite.  If these teams are better then the Bills, then guess what?????

 

Coaches didn't do their jobs coaching players up or making the right calls on the field.

 

Revisionist history.  

 

Find one publication that said the Bills weren't going to be as good (or better then Cincy or KC).  And then too find one that questioned the coaching (that's our job🤣).  

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

How could it plummet to 32nd in the playoffs when there are only 14 teams in the playoffs?

 

nit-picking.  Are you happy with the playoff performance.  Almost lost to a rookie QB on Miami, and then couldn't get pressure against a OL with 3 backups starting.  This following 13 seconds, and many times during the season giving up 3rd and long.  This D is anything but clutch, and if it played against better QBs this year would have a much worse regular season (i.e. who cares) ranking.  The D is built for mediocracy.  

[Mc1320]

Something needs to change - regular season stats look great, but the D has been torched in 3 straight playoff losses.

[MJS]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, here's the problem with that.  We were just talking about our highly ranked defense.  #1 for much of the season, #2 in the final analysis.  

 

How come we're so good during the season, but for the last three seasons, in the postseaon, our D no-shows?  

 

Once again, from my post above, here are the points allowed this post-season by the teams considered to be contenders, and it's the contenders that we need to beat.  

 

Us:  29 PPG in Playoffs 

Cinci:  13.5 PPG in Playoffs 

KC:  20 PPG in Playoffs 

Philly:  7 PPG in Playoffs 

Niners:  17.5 PPG in Playoffs 

 

Are they all really that much better than us?  I don't think that KC is 9 PPG better than us for example.  The others might be, but 15.5 PPG different (Cinci), 22 (Eagles), 11.5 (Niners)?  

 

And for the sake of argument, say that your argument is true at face value.  Whose fault is that then?  Because at some point this must then come around to Beane.  

 

Instead, we get this circular method of reasoning with apologists pointing to McD, those pointing to Frasier, those pointing to Beane, and they just keep fingerpointing at others.  That's not going to correct things, ... neither is firing the Safeties Coach, the one coach whose two starters were missing much of the season, one all of it, the other some of it while playing injured the rest of the time, but when they did play healthy they were tops and his only starting S was regarded as the best at his position.  

 

Just sayin'.   

Small sample sizes, for one. During the regular season you play your schedule, which is a mix of bad and good teams. During the playoffs you are only playing good team. But the main issue is small sample size. An average from one or two games is not sufficient to really have meaningful comparison. But I do think those teams are better than the Bills, at least on the AFC side. Who knows on the NFC side?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Defense looks a lot better when McDermott is calling plays or more involved (I remember him specifically instructing Milano to shoot a gap which led to big plays one game).

 

I think scheme is influenced heavily by McDermott, but Frazier is otherwise in charge including play calling.

 

But again...if playcalling isn't up to McDermott's standards, he has the option to make a change there. He never has. Whose fault is that ultimately? Frazier isn't going to fire himself. 

 

I don't see an angle in which this isn't McDermott's failure and responsibility. 

Edited February 3, 2023 by HomeskillitMoorman

[MJS]

3 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

holding an opposing offense to under 30 is not something to use as a valid arguement...under the league avg scoring then yeah but tht is a data analyst scewing numbers to try and make a point, thus actually making your analyst look even worst

Actually, that's the threshold for winning games. That's why they say "the first to 30 wins". If you can consistently score close to or over 30 points a game, you are likely going to win most of your games.

[Nextmanup]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It's all on McDermott when it comes to defense.  It's his specialty.  He could've taken over play calling at any time during the Bengals game.  Firing Frazier would have been a save your own butt type move.  I'm in the minority when I say I'm glad he didn't.

Not sure what you mean by this.  Why are you glad he didn't fire Frazier? Because it takes away that scapegoat for McDermott and allows pressure and heat to build on him specifically going forward?  

 

Or is just that you think Frazier is a good DC?

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

Last year's SB winner allowed an average of 18.75 PPG in the playoffs, a max of 27

2020 Season:  19.5, max of 26 

2019 Season:  25, max of 31  

2018 Season:  20.7, max of 31 

2017 Season:  16.7, max of 33 

2016 Season:  20.3, max of 28 

2015 Season:  20.7, max of 31 

2014 Season:  13.3, max of 17  

2013 Season:  22, max of 35 

2012 Season:  14, max of 20  

 

The average of those averages is 19.9.

 

Us over the past five playoff games:  29.8, with games allowing 31, 36, and 38.  

 

Here are some additional arguments.  In 2020, we allowed the Chiefs to score 38.  The Browns held them to 22 that season, and the Bucs to 9.  

Last season, of "13 Seconds" fame, we allowed 36 points to the Chiefs in regulation.  We had the 1st-ranked scoring D.  Pitt, with the 20th-ranked scoring D allowed 42, while Cinci and it's 17th-ranked D allowed 24.  

This season, our 2nd-ranked scoring D allowed 27 points to Cinci.  The Chiefs' 16th-ranked scoring D allowed only 20 to Cinci.  

 

It just doesn't seem as if playoff football is McD's gig.  

 

When playoffs begin we see Sean struggle against a higher tier of opponents. If he's allowing Frazier to completely call the defensive game plan then maybe that too is a huge issue. From week 3 on the offense just looked off and disorganized. Now all the sports shows including Cowherd etc are saying the Bills have regressed.  So back to the drawing board and under the radar.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I call Bull.  Experts all had Buffalo as the favourite.  If these teams are better then the Bills, then guess what?????

 

Coaches didn't do their jobs coaching players up or making the right calls on the field.

 

Revisionist history.  

 

Find one publication that said the Bills weren't going to be as good (or better then Cincy or KC).  And then too find one that questioned the coaching (that's our job🤣).  

What do preseason experts and publications have to do with anything? They are just people spit balling and trying to make money with their content. It doesn't actually mean anything.

 

What did all those experts predict for the Seahawks and Giants? What did they predict for the Broncos?

[WyoAZBillfan]

9 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Okay I'm a Bills fan and yes I watch a lot of football I only get wrapped up here.

 

We all saw what happened vs. Cincy and it was not pretty. 

 

The playoffs are a different beast and all year we saw the warts on the defense and yes injuries played a significant factor, but to be swiss cheese regardless of who is put out there is unacceptable. 

 

Let's not forget Cincy was missing 3 OL and did whatever they wanted.  They could have put up 40 if they needed to.

 

Bills fans know that they got lucky with Allen and he has become a QB beyond probably their expectations and they haven't done enough for him on that side of the ball, because this is essentially McD's team.

 

McD is a Defence first coach and spent the money there and constructed a defense that he and Frazier have run for years.

 

They have been terrible the last 4 playoff losses and really played what amounts to 3 decent games in the playoffs (Jax, Baltimore & NE).  

 

They have been terrible the last 3 and this is their philosophy on D.  Bend, don't break and hope for a mistake (fumble, tipped pass....).  They have allowed 29,29 & 30 First downs to opponents a ridiculously high #.

 

And no I will not forget 13 seconds, where two masterminds completely blew it.

You had merit until 13 seconds. If that kick off is appropriate for the situation. KC likely don’t move into position with time left on the board. 
To say the D was terrible in last 3 playoff losses, do you also say the opponents D was terrible as well? The Bengals beat us easily, KC needed a horrible decision and a ton of luck to give them the win with the 13 seconds. AFCC the Bills weren’t even supposed to be there, kind of a wash to say the D was terrible if comparing to other games that year. 

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

So then why does it plummet in the playoffs to what would essentially rank last?  ... 32nd that is. 

There’s not 32 in the playoffs, that’sa flawed argument, especially when they make it past wildcard round. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

7 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

This is definitely the #1 problem in the organization czar type coaches hardly ever win anything. 

See Bill B with the Pats. Reid in KC and Jimmy Johnson in the 90’s. Possibly the 80’s 49’ers and get back to the board. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

6 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Without Josh Allen?

 

Let's be real here... the Bills are winning those many games because of Josh. Put McDermott on the Titans or the Jets or the Giants and he's not even CLOSE to winning the same amount of games. Josh Allen is getting run into the ground and it is the poor PLAYOFF performance that is the issue here as well... and we are not seeing any improvement. 

How many of those games are close or relatively close until the D gets that turnover or stop and JA puts it away? I can recall (last season?) Dolphins, Rams games. JA beat the Titans with that sneak?  Certainly not the Pats wind game.. 

im the biggest JA fan around, but others definitely have helped win games. 
 

5 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

What's the difference?

 

He made CHANGES ON OFFENSE... when we had problems scoring, he brought in Daboll and cleaned house. So now that our defense is a major problem against top teams, I don't see those changes. That's complacency and it's not going to get us to where we want to be,

Can’t argue this logic, I don’t see McD as the problem this season though. 

[BillsFan692]

9 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Okay I'm a Bills fan and yes I watch a lot of football I only get wrapped up here.

 

We all saw what happened vs. Cincy and it was not pretty. 

 

The playoffs are a different beast and all year we saw the warts on the defense and yes injuries played a significant factor, but to be swiss cheese regardless of who is put out there is unacceptable. 

 

Let's not forget Cincy was missing 3 OL and did whatever they wanted.  They could have put up 40 if they needed to.

 

Bills fans know that they got lucky with Allen and he has become a QB beyond probably their expectations and they haven't done enough for him on that side of the ball, because this is essentially McD's team.

 

McD is a Defence first coach and spent the money there and constructed a defense that he and Frazier have run for years.

 

They have been terrible the last 4 playoff losses and really played what amounts to 3 decent games in the playoffs (Jax, Baltimore & NE).  

 

They have been terrible the last 3 and this is their philosophy on D.  Bend, don't break and hope for a mistake (fumble, tipped pass....).  They have allowed 29,29 & 30 First downs to opponents a ridiculously high #.

 

And no I will not forget 13 seconds, where two masterminds completely blew it.

And the question: Is the bend dont break philosophy where you give up so many first downs and keep their offense on the field for extended long drives in any way complimentary to josh Allen and our high powered offense???

 

Answer: no. Its not!

 

To be fair the philosophy clearly "works" from a statistical perspective otherwise why would our dvoa numbers be so good. It just doesnt seem to work so well against good teams and especially in the playoffs

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by BillsFan692

[NastyNateSoldiers]

19 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

See Bill B with the Pats. Reid in KC and Jimmy Johnson in the 90’s. Possibly the 80’s 49’ers and get back to the board. 

Is McD anywhere near these guys? There the exceptions not the rule. 

22 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

See Bill B with the Pats. Reid in KC and Jimmy Johnson in the 90’s. Possibly the 80’s 49’ers and get back to the board. 

Is McD anywhere near the level of these coaches? All these guys won Superbowls as OC & DCs except for Jimmy and he won titles on college level. Please let me know what if any kind of title has McD won? Btw those are the exceptions not the rule ! Don’t get it twisted… 

[Billsfan1972]

31 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

You had merit until 13 seconds. If that kick off is appropriate for the situation. KC likely don’t move into position with time left on the board. 
To say the D was terrible in last 3 playoff losses, do you also say the opponents D was terrible as well? The Bengals beat us easily, KC needed a horrible decision and a ton of luck to give them the win with the 13 seconds. AFCC the Bills weren’t even supposed to be there, kind of a wash to say the D was terrible if comparing to other games that year. 

There’s not 32 in the playoffs, that’sa flawed argument, especially when they make it past wildcard round. 

Obviously you do not know me and how much detail I went into breaking down the kick like a zapruder film, or at my house with my friends over screaming 13 seconds is plenty and kick it short, giving up most two plays one which would have had to be in a Hail Mary.

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

That's it right there, some need to dream bigger.  

 

Imagine if Kurt Warner had come into the league from stocking shelves at a supermarket as he was, and had been satisfied with a backup QB job.  ... for example.  

 

Again, what's the goal, a championship, or to simply outperform the team that averaged 6.6 wins/season from our last playoff appearance to when they got here.  

 

Some people appear to be satisfied with that.  As long as we have well ranked offenses and defenses, simply make the playoffs despite never advancing to a Super Bowl, and have Allen, I guess their goals are met.  Which is fine I suppose, it's just not our goals.  

Absolutely mental
 

You were describing a needle in a haystack of needles with Kurt Warner not the norm why can’t you people get that through your heads the buying a lottery ticket doesn’t guarantee that you’re gonna win it

[Radar]

The only positive is at least now we'll not assume we have a great defense. Injuries or not we're soft defensively. Stats are stats and,yes, they look good but next season both sides of the ball will be scrutinized. Personally I'm more inclined to look at on field talent than coaching.

[QB Bills]

13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Absolutely mental
 

You were describing a needle in a haystack of needles with Kurt Warner not the norm why can’t you people get that through your heads the buying a lottery ticket doesn’t guarantee that you’re gonna win it

Sure. And when you play the local scratch-off ticket, you might win 20 bucks the odd time. But you'll never hit the jackpot. 

[Chaos]

7 hours ago, MJS said:

That's what everyone said about Andy Reid.

Reid could not get over the hump without an elite QB. McDermott has not got over the hump with an elite QB.  

[WyoAZBillfan]

1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Is McD anywhere near these guys? There the exceptions not the rule. 

Is McD anywhere near the level of these coaches? All these guys won Superbowls as OC & DCs except for Jimmy and he won titles on college level. Please let me know what if any kind of title has McD won? Btw those are the exceptions not the rule ! Don’t get it twisted… 

Just curious, those are accepted as some of the best coaches ever. How many SB’s combined, years coaching/teams before said wins. Constant change don’t work, we’ve seen that. 
Let’s see your solutions, names that are going to get the Bills over that hump, it’s way too easy to whine, complain and just vent the same vomit repeatedly. Let’s hear those names/hiring that are going to do it. 
John Harbaugh is in my mind a great coach with a long history, and how many rings…?

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Obviously you do not know me and how much detail I went into breaking down the kick like a zapruder film, or at my house with my friends over screaming 13 seconds is plenty and kick it short, giving up most two plays one which would have had to be in a Hail Mary.

I don’t, at all! Please elaborate. That whole …paragraph makes my point. 

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, BillsFan692 said:

And the question: Is the bend dont break philosophy where you give up so many first downs and keep their offense on the field for extended long drives in any way complimentary to josh Allen and our high powered offense???

 

Answer: no. Its not!

 

To be fair the philosophy clearly "works" from a statistical perspective otherwise why would our dvoa numbers be so good. It just doesnt seem to work so well against good teams and especially in the playoffs

 

I read somewhere back during the season that we were 2nd worst in the league in terms of the time of drives we allowed opponents. Given the fact that the field is crowded in the red zone and we forunately on occasion get some good plays from our talent in that situation, this has got to change. I don't care what they do in FA and the draft, unless this Defensive and Offensive scheme changes along with the brain farts on game day, I got nothing.

 

Frazier has to go and Dorsey needs to learn he can't live vicariously through Josh and that his ass is on the line. Do you want to be a Nate Hackett?...and you haven't even measured up to him?  If I'm Mcd, I'm breathing fire. He needs to come out with a fresh sale of goods, cause I just can't buy into another year of B.S. I'm glad you're a man of faith and have instilled a culture, but now it's time light a fire.

Edited February 3, 2023 by nosejob

[MJS]

17 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Reid could not get over the hump without an elite QB. McDermott has not got over the hump with an elite QB.  

Let's try again. Let's not blow anything up.

[Chaos]

Just now, MJS said:

Let's try again. Let's not blow anything up.

In real life coaches get to the Super Bowl within a couple of years if getting an elite qb on board.  McDermott has had a long chance.  He is currently the longest tenured coach without a Super Bowl win for his team. McVay , Taylor and Siriani are examples of recent guys who have gotten to the Super Bowl with a much quicker process.  

[frostbitmic]

The Bills got rid of the Safeties coach ... All is well and the defense will perform better in next years playoffs.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

In real life coaches get to the Super Bowl within a couple of years if getting an elite qb on board.  McDermott has had a long chance.  He is currently the longest tenured coach without a Super Bowl win for his team. McVay , Taylor and Siriani are examples of recent guys who have gotten to the Super Bowl with a much quicker process.  

I think people like to believe the McDermott and the Bills have a monopoly on process and culture when in reality other teams' processes are point blank superior

[nosejob]

8 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

The Bills got rid of the Safeties coach ... All is well and the defense will perform better in next years playoffs.

Well Heath jumped on the grenade last year. This year someone had to take it up the pooper. In this scenario at some point crap has to roll uphill, hopefully this year( like right now) instead of next.

Edited February 3, 2023 by nosejob

[ProcessTruster]

12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The defense lost half of their starters, leaning far towards the best players.

 

Yet they still managed to get 4th in defensive DVOA, 2nd in points allowed and 1st in yards allowed against a tough schedule of offenses. They throttled the Chiefs early in the year when still healthy.

 

So, yeah, it's McDermott's structure and Frazier does the detail work, and that means you can't give Frazier most of the credit.

 

But far from being incompetent, both Frazier and McDermott look really good once again when you look at how well that decimated defense did. (Very well.)

 

Can't imagine Frazier will be fired, though anything is possible.

 

 

yep, play it back please.  55w 21L in 4 years just doesn't lie.....

[Goin Breakdown]

Here's my thought for what it's worth. The OP is right. He'd have to fire the next defensive coordinator too. Firing Frazier will only show the flaws in McDs defense is because of McD. 

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

 

McDermott is displaying servant leadership in that instance. It is leadership 101 and fits with his Toyota management system. A servant leader always praises those below them and deflects criticism from them when it does not.

McDermott is a fine person and he has good leadership qualities.  He's just not a good enough coach to be beat the best.  Both statements can be true without any malice.

It's counterproductive in this instance. If he says it's Frazier's defense than we should acknowledge that fact through the good times and the bad times. Coordinators can't just be blameless underlings. They get paid a lot of money to run their side of the ball. Frazier runs that defense.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, MJS said:

Yeah, McDermott is so incompetent:

 

Defensive rankings:

2019: 2nd

2020: 16th

2021: 1st

2022: 2nd

 

Win Loss record:

2019: 10-6

2020: 13-3

2021: 11-6

2022: 13-3

 

Best win percentage in franchise history. 4th best win percentage in the NFL currently. 21st all time in NFL history and ahead of coaches like Mike Tomlin, Sean Payton, Sean McVay, John Harbaugh, Pete Carrol, etc. (Just needs to get his superbowl like they have)

 

He is among the league leaders in following analytics and being appropriately aggressive on offense.

 

It's just so clear that he is a high quality head coach. He needs to get over the hump in the playoffs, but if we move on from him, it will not be good. And he will get scooped up immediately to be head coach of another team. And he'll probably turn around that team too.

Wow! Matt Lafleur is the 5th best HC of all time!! Will he catch up to the greatest of all time—Guy Chamberlin—-that’s the question….

[The Red King]

I wouldn't look at PPG.  Rather points per drive.  The Bills' defense puts up great stats, but that's due to a bend but don't break defense that can't get off the field.

 

This is an extreme example but it proves my point.  If the opposition has four 10-minute drives and gets 17 points do we say the D was elite?  They only gave up 17 pts., after all.  Likely a low # of total yards too.  As a statline they look like a top D, right?  In practice we only had possession 20 out of 60 minutes.  The D will have still given up 4-5 points a drive.

 

The statline is very misleading for this type of defense.

[PBF81]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

Small sample sizes, for one. During the regular season you play your schedule, which is a mix of bad and good teams. During the playoffs you are only playing good team. But the main issue is small sample size. An average from one or two games is not sufficient to really have meaningful comparison. But I do think those teams are better than the Bills, at least on the AFC side. Who knows on the NFC side?

 

Sounds like excuse making to me.