78thealltimegreat Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 D. Dawkins: 73.5 R. Saffold: 43.7 M. Morse: 61.4 R. Bates: 61.8 S. Brown: 51.4 For reference a solid NFL starter has a 70 grade…a pro bowl player has an 80ish grade…an all pro has a high 80s to low 90s grade..Trent Williams has the highest at 93.7 Josh Allen had over 5000 yards of offense and 42 touchdowns and had a PFF grade of 91.6 the highest of any QB with this line which graded out 26th blocking for him. 3 6 2 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Stick with how bad the OL was - how Beane got duped by Saffold and how he paid/promoted Bates perhaps prematurely. This doesn’t need to always wind up a backhanded compliment (excuse?) for Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Airseven said: Stick with how bad the OL was - how Beane got duped by Saffold and how he paid/promoted Bates perhaps prematurely. This doesn’t need to always wind up a backhanded compliment (excuse?) for Allen. Image if we had a couple of all pro linemen how much Allen would destroy the league. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Any know how the Bengals starters graded last season? We hear so much about how bad they were just curious how ours compares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Image if we had a couple of all pro linemen how much Allen would destroy the league. Allen with the protection Burrow had with an o-line of backups would be amazing to watch. Edited January 27, 2023 by stevestojan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) I see some positives in those numbers. It will be very difficult to actually put a worse line together even if Bean tries. He can't really mess this up unless he slides Saffold to LT or something. Edited January 27, 2023 by nedboy7 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Just now, nedboy7 said: I see some positives in those numbers. It will be very difficult to actually put a worse line together even if Bean tries. He can't really mess this up unless he slides Saffold to RT or something. He drafted Cody Ford and traded Wyatt Teller. So it’s possible. 1 2 1 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Allen with the protection Burrow had with an o-line of backups would be amazing to watch. Honestly, if we walk away from this draft with less than 2 WR and 3 O-linemen, I will be very disappointed. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He drafted Cody Ford and traded Wyatt Teller. So it’s possible. And Hodgins looked great playing for the Giants. Honestly makes me wonder. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Good lord, I knew it was bad but this is brutal. A testament to Allen and the rest of the offense for doing as much as they did in spite of this. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: Good lord, I knew it was bad but this is brutal. A testament to Allen and the rest of the offense for doing as much as they did in spite of this. It’s vomit worthy, but also comforting at the same time. This means that we haven’t seen peak Allen yet, which is amazing to think about. Edited January 27, 2023 by IronMaidenBills 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 Roger Saffold shouldn’t be starting in the XFL with that kind of grade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: I see some positives in those numbers. It will be very difficult to actually put a worse line together even if Bean tries. He can't really mess this up unless he slides Saffold to LT or something. Beane really hasn't done anything with the oline in 5 drafts. He got Ford (bust), Brown, re-signed Dawkins, and signed Morse. Throw in a bunch of lower echelon guys. That's about it. He has a franchise QB who got hurt this year. I blame Beane for it because he keeps spending premium picks on the dline. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Image if we had a couple of all pro linemen how much Allen would destroy the league. Perhaps like Teller? But hey Beane is a guru. At least the drought years we just sucked, now we have hope but are doomed by incompetence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 One of the worst in the league, good job Beane and McDermott. Every bit of this failure is on them. They obviously can't evaluate and draft talent. Look no further than Ford and letting Teller go 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 It will be shocking if Saffold is playing anywhere in the league next season. I doubt Buffalo will be able to switch out all their substandard starters before next season, but they need to have two or three new starters who are better than they guys they replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said: One of the worst in the league, good job Beane and McDermott. Every bit of this failure is on them. They obviously can't evaluate and draft talent. Look no further than Ford and letting Teller go They also drafted Brown, who hasn’t amounted to much thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 For the 2nd year in a row, after only two years in the league, the Chiefs' Creed Humphrey is the #1 rated center. You may remember that even though the interior line was a huge need at the time, Beane decided to pass on Humphrey and draft a 2nd consecutive DE Basham. The Chiefs had the next pick and were not so stupid. 3 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Airseven said: Stick with how bad the OL was - how Beane got duped by Saffold and how he paid/promoted Bates perhaps prematurely. This doesn’t need to always wind up a backhanded compliment (excuse?) for Allen. bates is actually really good at center, and much better at LG than saffold. when bates filled in at center last year for morse, the run game was the best it had been. 43.7 lmfao 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: D. Dawkins: 73.5 R. Saffold: 43.7 M. Morse: 61.4 R. Bates: 61.8 S. Brown: 51.4 For reference a solid NFL starter has a 70 grade…a pro bowl player has an 80ish grade…an all pro has a high 80s to low 90s grade..Trent Williams has the highest at 93.7 Josh Allen had over 5000 yards of offense and 42 touchdowns and had a PFF grade of 91.6 the highest of any QB with this line which graded out 26th blocking for him. For all those that say "Im not done with Brown yet... he still has a shot" GEE WIZ MAN.. the dude had his shot and FAILED. We we need a starting caliber LG and RT. when that happens the people beside them will go up like morse especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 The biggest liability on this team two years straight - offensive line play. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The biggest liability on this team two years straight - offensive line play. it was my chief complaint on the offseason. OL OL OL. they did very little to help the OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Honestly, if we walk away from this draft with less than 2 WR and 3 O-linemen, I will be very disappointed. And Hodgins looked great playing for the Giants. Honestly makes me wonder. I’ll give him a pass on Hodgins. No one saw it coming. He would’ve been perfect as a big slot for us next year. 55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The biggest liability on this team two years straight - offensive line play. Dawkins, Morse, and Bates are at least starter quality. Fill in 1st/2nd round talents around them and we should have a solid OL. Got to draft the right players. Edited January 27, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Sounds about right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Dawkins, Morse, and Bates are at least starter quality. Fill in 1st/2nd round talents around them and we should have a solid OL. Got to draft the right players. I agree but none of them are top quality. Even Dion struggled down the stretch this year. I think my preference is find a way to bring in one good vet (not a washed up has been) and draft 1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I agree but none of them are top quality. Even Dion struggled down the stretch this year. I think my preference is find a way to bring in one good vet (not a washed up has been) and draft 1. That’s the NFL. Dawkins is good. Got beat some yes but that is a product of an OL struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: That’s the NFL. Dawkins is good. Got beat some yes but that is a product of an OL struggling. I am not sure he was the 2nd half of this year by his own standards. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am not sure he was the 2nd half of this year by his own standards. He needs to stop coming in fat and out of shape in the camp and start getting serious 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: He needs to stop coming in fat and out of shape in the camp and start getting serious Or they need to find a way to get him inside to guard where that matters less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Just now, GunnerBill said: Or they need to find a way to get him inside to guard where that matters less. An option as far as I am concerned, if they can find a left tackle at the end of the first round Everything should be on the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Southern_Bills said: Perhaps like Teller? But hey Beane is a guru. At least the drought years we just sucked, now we have hope but are doomed by incompetence. 12-5 forever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Or they need to find a way to get him inside to guard where that matters less. 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: An option as far as I am concerned, if they can find a left tackle at the end of the first round Everything should be on the table Finding a LT at the end of the first is likely very difficult. We also rarely see a starting LT slide past RT and straight to G . That would insinuate we have a stellar RT which we clearly do not. Do we need an upgrade? Yes we do but Dawkins will be our starting LT next year barring unforeseen circumstances it’s that simple. Edited January 27, 2023 by DJB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: D. Dawkins: 73.5 R. Saffold: 43.7 M. Morse: 61.4 R. Bates: 61.8 S. Brown: 51.4 Pass blocking grades were somewhat better aside from Bates. Saffold and Brown need to be replaced. Move Bates back to LG. Dawkins - 80.4 Saffold - 50.2 Morse - 70.1 Bates - 61.5 Brown - 53.4 Edited January 27, 2023 by Doc Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, DJB said: Finding a LT at the end of the first is likely very difficult. We also rarely see a starting LT slide past RT and straight to G . That would insinuate we have a stellar RT which we clearly do not. Do we need an upgrade? Yes we do but Dawkins will be our starting LT next year barring unforeseen circumstances it’s that simple. I don't think you can draft one at end of the 1st. Agreed. That is why I am open to trading. And actually older left tackles sliding into guard rather than going to RT isn't all that rare. Brandon Albert and Jason Peters being the two that spring straight to mind. It is generally what you do with guys who are struggling a little bit keeping themselves at their "tackle" weight and Dion fits into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 7 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: ..Trent Williams has the highest at 93.7 I remember wanting to sign Trent Williams years ago, but was told he was just too old. That had to be 4 years ago or more. Interesting note, Jason Peters started for the Cowboys this season at 41. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, DJB said: Finding a LT at the end of the first is likely very difficult. We also rarely see a starting LT slide past RT and straight to G . That would insinuate we have a stellar RT which we clearly do not. Do we need an upgrade? Yes we do but Dawkins will be our starting LT next year barring unforeseen circumstances it’s that simple. We found Dockins in the second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 8 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: D. Dawkins: 73.5 R. Saffold: 43.7 M. Morse: 61.4 R. Bates: 61.8 S. Brown: 51.4 For reference a solid NFL starter has a 70 grade…a pro bowl player has an 80ish grade…an all pro has a high 80s to low 90s grade..Trent Williams has the highest at 93.7 Josh Allen had over 5000 yards of offense and 42 touchdowns and had a PFF grade of 91.6 the highest of any QB with this line which graded out 26th blocking for him. I would love see the stats for the time they gave Allen to throw. Was it average of 4 seconds or 2 seconds etc. A lot of OLine look bad because some (not saying Allen) QBs take forever to throw the ball, while others look good, like TB, because the QB throws it in 2 seconds or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Airseven said: Stick with how bad the OL was - how Beane got duped by Saffold and how he paid/promoted Bates perhaps prematurely. This doesn’t need to always wind up a backhanded compliment (excuse?) for Allen. I'm a big fan of Beane, but his record on the O-line is abysmal. Moving up to draft Ford, trading away Teller, signing Saffold, assuming Brown could start at RT, ignoring Humphrey to draft Basham... I mean, that's just awful. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Honestly, if we walk away from this draft with less than 2 WR and 3 O-linemen, I will be very disappointed. And Hodgins looked great playing for the Giants. Honestly makes me wonder. Time for this team to value production on downs 1-3, instead of taking up valuable roster spots for special teams guys. Matkevich, Jones, Kumerow. And Jones even made a bone head play down the stretch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Even though I can't stand PFF, this is what we all knew watching every single game this season. Josh was constantly under duress all game, every game. There is NO OTHER elite QB in the NFL who was asked to do more with less. Dawkins was again our best player and Morse/Bates were both meh. Brown should be a depth player and Saffold was completely useless. I've seen better OL's at Alabama, Georgia, and Notre Dame than we put on the field this season to protect our Franchise QB. It was atrocious. Then, all of the idiots in the so called "sports media" world want to heap everything on Josh. Freakin jack*sses. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: D. Dawkins: 73.5 R. Saffold: 43.7 M. Morse: 61.4 R. Bates: 61.8 S. Brown: 51.4 For reference a solid NFL starter has a 70 grade…a pro bowl player has an 80ish grade…an all pro has a high 80s to low 90s grade..Trent Williams has the highest at 93.7 Josh Allen had over 5000 yards of offense and 42 touchdowns and had a PFF grade of 91.6 the highest of any QB with this line which graded out 26th blocking for him. is Saffold’s grade really low because he was emotionally exhausted this year ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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