Mel Kiper is back and you won’t like it

[Jay_Fixit]

15 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Hey I will always have respect for Mel one of the few analysts who went to the wall for Josh….

but in his first mock draft he has the Bills taking Auburn DE Derick Hall who is actually really good….

but if the Bills don’t help Josh either on the line or at WR or even TE…this board may create a meltdown that looks like something out of the movie I Am Legend 

If he’s BPA then I’m good with it. No reason to force it.

[OldTimer1960]

21 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Great point. Been saying this for a while. It seems that the run on WRs are usually in the top of the 2nd round every year. In fact, one could argue the best ones are taken there. I have no faith that the game changer that we need will be there at the end of 2. If they like a guy, they need to take him at 27 or trade down into the top of 2. 

Agreed.  Looking at the NFL receiving leaders shows that many of the leaders were not 1st round picks and that the leader board is not dominated by ultra fast guys.  Not a lot of undersized guys there, either.  Now, Tyreek Hill is both fast and smaller, but he is an exception on that list.
https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/receiving/2022/post/all/receivingreceptions/desc

I do think recent trend is more receiver being picked early - reflection on the emphasis on passing today.

Edited January 26, 2023 by OldTimer1960

[BuffaL0L0k0]

14 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Jordan Addison, Quentin Johnston, Rashee Rice, Josh Downs, Zay Flower, Jalin Hyatt. I’d take any of them. 
 

Not sure many of these guys are top15 picks so we might be sitting in a sweet spot to have our choice of a few of them. 

Please don't get anyone named Zay, in the potential WRs list, please!! 😆

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, BuffaL0L0k0 said:

Please don't get anyone named Zay, in the potential WRs list, please!! 😆

Fight me!  Then Jesus wants to speak with you. 🤨

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I would hope they start some of those first rounders. Did they have a choice with the CBS this year?  They haven't drafted well. Maybe that's the reason that they don't consistently play. The plan also was not to start josh if I recall. Yes he'd be in there eventually. Cook  barely plays. Shakir doesn't get many looks. Perhaps my comment was a little dramatic but I'm from starting it. Just not happy atm. Regardless I still don't see McD utilizing offensive "playmakers" out the gate. I just don't. 

Cook was behind 2 RBs. He was somewhat of a luxury draft pick. Shakir a mid round pick.

 

[78thealltimegreat]

If he’s there I am going to pound the table for Jalin Hyatt as I think he is Josh’s version of Tyler Lockett…he needs a guy with speed and good hands and not “featherstone” Davis to just heave down the field at who can get behind the safety. 

[John from Riverside]

I said in an post earlier this week that they were going to be talking about pass rush again
 

Not that I would do it. I will draft all fence early and I would take a late around flyer on a pass rusher with potential.

[hondo in seattle]

I think our biggest need is on the OL, but if the next Bruce Smith is available when we pick you don't pass him up.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Not that I would do it. I will draft all fence early and I would take a late around flyer on a pass rusher with potential.

Pickett, or chain link?

*
Or, would you also like to sign on to my lawsuit against predictive text?

 

[Brandon]

30 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I think our biggest need is on the OL, but if the next Bruce Smith is available when we pick you don't pass him up.  

 

At the end of R1,  he won't be.  That's the problem with drafting DEs where the Bills have.  Elite pass rushers are the hardest thing to find with the exception of QBs.  If they are,  they go top 5.  They got damn lucky getting Greg Rousseau where they did,  and he's just 'good'.  

Edited January 26, 2023 by Brandon

[KHAN]

5 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

They need to build the offensive line, run the ball more and scheme better. That’s the problem with the Bills offense. Daboll had zero problems working with these weapons. They added Hynes and couldn’t even figure out a way to get him involved in the offense. That’s a coaching problem 

Also drafted a pass catching back and didn't use him in the passing game.

[NewEra]

15 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Thank you for this.  I'm familiar with Parker Washington being a Penn State fan.  I just saw, I think a CBS sports mock that has the Bills taking O'Cyrus Torrence, G from Florida.  They mentioned him on that same broadcast in conjunction with the Senior Bowl.  Is the better depth at interior OLine or WR in this draft?

I couldn’t tell you right now.  I haven’t looked much into the OL class just yet, but what I’ve read, it’s kinda meh

6 hours ago, whorlnut said:

If Beane can trade up 2 spots for a corner that McD says “they are still trying to figure out who he is” then they can trade up for WR. That position is so critical to the success of this team, being a WR centric passing offense. They have to do right by Allen and get him a playmaker. I think Johnston and Addison would both be worth trading up for if they slip. 

Which WRs have a 1st rd grade on Beanes board.  Please enlighten us:  Look into the crystal ball and tell us which of those WRs will be available a couple picks before we select.  I’m eager to know so I don’t have to watch so much tape

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

16 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

Best player available in the 1st round. 

two words:

 

HELL NO.

 

three more words:

 

DRAFT FOR NEED.

 

[snamsnoops]

Our in the 2nd, 3rd, ect!

[whorlnut]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I couldn’t tell you right now.  I haven’t looked much into the OL class just yet, but what I’ve read, it’s kinda meh

Which WRs have a 1st rd grade on Beanes board.  Please enlighten us:  Look into the crystal ball and tell us which of those WRs will be available a couple picks before we select.  I’m eager to know so I don’t have to watch so much tape

Figures you would nitpick whatever I said. Read the post. My point was anything should be on the table this draft and if he has to trade up for a receiver if he likes one, then do it. Posters are saying one might not be available when we pick, And I’m saying there is the option to trade up.

[Iverwig]

1st Mock of many so it will be someone else by his 3rd mock. 

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Figures you would nitpick whatever I said. Read the post. My point was anything should be on the table this draft and if he has to trade up for a receiver if he likes one, then do it. Posters are saying one might not be available when we pick, And I’m saying there is the option to trade up.

That was your point?  Then do a better job getting it across next time.  You said nothing of the sort.  
 

yeah…..my point was, there will we WRs in rd 2 that are similar to the WRs in rd 1-  the value isn’t there unless you want to go up and get Johnson…..and that will likely cost us 2-3 potential starters worth of draft picks.  
 

We have very few resources except draft picks. Trading them away is a scary proposition.  We need 2-3 Olineman.  1-2 WRs.  Likely need a Poyer replacement.  Maybe an edmunds replacement. Maybe a Morse replacement. Maybe an Ed replacement.  Phillips and Shaq replacements.  And we have how much cap room? But yeah, trade up. 

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Cook was behind 2 RBs. He was somewhat of a luxury draft pick. Shakir a mid round pick.

 

I understand this but im also not the only one who saw that they could have been used. Take cool for example. It's not a secret that he was open multiply times when We were tossing deep balls on 3rd and 3 type downs. For me it's more the game plan and the stubbornness to not try something else when what you're doing is not working. 

[CapeBreton]

17 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

Best player available in the 1st round. 

 

BPA? That's more of a Baltimore Ravens thing, who are excellent at drafting. Bills go for need all day. 

[Rocbillsfan1]

17 hours ago, Buffalo Dude said:

If DE is the best value left at that pick I wouldn’t be too upset with DE.
 

Our team’s sack leader is a 33 year old recovering from an ACL injury. 

But I’m guessing we go OT in round 1

Not after what beane said about brown in his review. 
 

I hate to say it but yea we are kind of screwed on the DL now that Miller got a bunch of money and the Bills have missed on 2 high picks basham and Epanesa. This is the problem when you draft for need and don’t know how to evaluate offensive talent. This might actually be the year a DL who is actually good is available and it also happens to be a need. In past years it just seemed like they wanted to stack young DLs because we were all set on offense and may have missed a lot of great opportunities to pick the best player that may have been on offense. 

[whorlnut]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

That was your point?  Then do a better job getting it across next time.  You said nothing of the sort.  
 

yeah…..my point was, there will we WRs in rd 2 that are similar to the WRs in rd 1-  the value isn’t there unless you want to go up and get Johnson…..and that will likely cost us 2-3 potential starters worth of draft picks.  
 

We have very few resources except draft picks. Trading them away is a scary proposition.  We need 2-3 Olineman.  1-2 WRs.  Likely need a Poyer replacement.  Maybe an edmunds replacement. Maybe a Morse replacement. Maybe an Ed replacement.  Phillips and Shaq replacements.  And we have how much cap room? But yeah, trade up. 

We had needs last year and traded up…again, my point. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I understand this but im also not the only one who saw that they could have been used. Take cool for example. It's not a secret that he was open multiply times when We were tossing deep balls on 3rd and 3 type downs. For me it's more the game plan and the stubbornness to not try something else when what you're doing is not working. 

There definitely were not a lot of designed plays for Cook or anyone. 

[Einstein's Dog]

I see a lot of clamoring for drafting offense.  I hope they strongly consider the buy/trade for another WR.  Get someone like Chark or trade for Hopkins.

 

For the funds for that, two of Edmunds/Poyer/Oliver would be gone.  This kind of restructure would allow for drafting defense and OL.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, whorlnut said:

We had needs last year and traded up…again, my point. 

I still feel like that was a good trade up. I think Elam shows real promise.
 

The guy that most of us were clamoring for booth, barely saw the field

2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I see a lot of clamoring for drafting offense.  I hope they strongly consider the buy/trade for another WR.  Get someone like Chark or trade for Hopkins.

 

For the funds for that, two of Edmunds/Poyer/Oliver would be gone.  This kind of restructure would allow for drafting defense and OL.

We cannot afford Hopkins. We have to be realistic in our expectations of who they bring in. We cannot afford to pay his salary. It’s more than just the draft compensation. Then we have to actually pay him and we’re already paying a number one receiver.

 

That’s why a number two out of the draft makes so much sense

 

Been has pretty much already told us this in his press conference no more splash signings no more Von Miller’s

[Goin Breakdown]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There definitely were not a lot of designed plays for Cook or anyone. 

Yeah for sure. Perhaps if ( and I suspect so) Dorsey is still the OC, he will evaluate and show way more creativity. Man I already miss the season. Maybe next year!  

[Low Positive]

35 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I still feel like that was a good trade up. I think Elam shows real promise.
 

The guy that most of us were clamoring for booth, barely saw the field

We cannot afford Hopkins. We have to be realistic in our expectations of who they bring in. We cannot afford to pay his salary. It’s more than just the draft compensation. Then we have to actually pay him and we’re already paying a number one receiver.

 

That’s why a number two out of the draft makes so much sense

 

Been has pretty much already told us this in his press conference no more splash signings no more Von Miller’s

To be fair, he said that last year too.

[Billznut]

10 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

They need to build around Allen. Focus on the OL this draft. Allen is taking too many hits/sacks. Better OL means better run game (with the RB's not Allen doing the running) and better pass protection. Give Allen more time to throw and that will help create more big plays in the passing game. 

Agreed. It’s so simple yet McBeane refuse to do just that. Will this be the year?  Hopefully, but I sure wouldn’t hold my breath on it. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Agreed. It’s so simple yet McBeane refuse to do just that. Will this be the year?  Hopefully, but I sure wouldn’t hold my breath on it. 

They need to build a team that if God forbid Josh Allen was not under center we could still win games does anybody have any confidence that that would’ve happened this year I don’t

[Billznut]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

They need to build a team that if God forbid Josh Allen was not under center we could still win games does anybody have any confidence that that would’ve happened this year I don’t

Agreed. Look at San Fran. They get down to their 3rd string QB and all they do is keep winning. That is a complete team. Buffalo is nowhere near that. If the Bills lost Allen in game one of next season, I don’t think they’d do better than 7-10. And probably not even that good. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

WR is going to be tough this year, the FA market is rough, the draft class is ok. But I'd say finding solid starters at guard and RT can be done in FA if the money can be shifted around. Finding a FA WR2 and affording it will be very difficult, above average WRs are getting paid big money. There's alot of WR needy teams. Which tells me there will be some reaching in the draft. 

[frostbitmic]

21 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Whitner over Ngata...

follow that up with trading back into the 1st round and taking John McCargo over Nick Mangold

[Augie]

21 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Hey I will always have respect for Mel one of the few analysts who went to the wall for Josh….

but in his first mock draft he has the Bills taking Auburn DE Derick Hall who is actually really good….

but if the Bills don’t help Josh either on the line or at WR or even TE…this board may create a meltdown that looks like something out of the movie I Am Legend 

 

I laughed, but just for the title presented to our crowd!  😂 

[muppy]

10 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I agree.

But I'll be so disappointed if the Bills don't find some significant help for OL this offseason.

they would not be so foolish as to not address OL this year. They MUST get help either in the draft or free agency some mean uglies to protect #17 or the fan base will be Livid.  And rightfully so.

[Dr.Sack]

Trolling now 

[BigAl2526]

With the way mock draft have been playing out at the present time, I would be very surprised if the Bills can find decent value on the offensive line at #27 overall.  The odds are better for a safety to replace Poyer, if the Bills fail to re-sign him, or a WR.

[Buffalo Dude]

17 hours ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Not after what beane said about brown in his review. 
 

I hate to say it but yea we are kind of screwed on the DL now that Miller got a bunch of money and the Bills have missed on 2 high picks basham and Epanesa. This is the problem when you draft for need and don’t know how to evaluate offensive talent. This might actually be the year a DL who is actually good is available and it also happens to be a need. In past years it just seemed like they wanted to stack young DLs because we were all set on offense and may have missed a lot of great opportunities to pick the best player that may have been on offense. 

I’m thinking more a replacement for Morse than a tackle if went went for a first round OT.