Big Blitz Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 We run so many stupid stunts. Those take time - they were great in the 90s when QBs took maybe 3 seconds to throw the ball and most were statues. They don’t confuse lineman much and unless you’re blitzing I consider them a waste. You need your guy to beat their guy off the ball physically one on one and get pressure asap 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: We had the eighth hardest schedule I believe at the end of the year and our wins over KC and Baltimore came with a healthy Von Miller. I don't expect any changes to our coordinators. How'd that work out for them? Hey Doc, if you want the reincarnation of Marty he's already here. Sean will waste Josh's entire career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: Hey Doc, if you want the reincarnation of Marty he's already here. Sean will waste Josh's entire career. I'm not saying what I want. I'm simply predicting what will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Didn’t Andy Reid fire McDermott? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Guys.. guys... guys... is this defense not just mcdermotts defense? I mean really what do you think will change with our defensive philosophy if Frazier is fired? It's McDs defense and it always has been. Firing frazier for doing what mcd ask him to do is basically a cop out. We all know McD isn't getting fired so, we may as well just get used to it=p 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFan692 said: Guys.. guys... guys... is this defense not just mcdermotts defense? I mean really what do you think will change with our defensive philosophy if Frazier is fired? It's McDs defense and it always has been. Firing frazier for doing what mcd ask him to do is basically a cop out. We all know McD isn't getting fired so, we may as well just get used to it=p Eventually doesnt what comes next is age old “let me shop for the groceries” power struggle between HC vs GM? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Draconator said: I don't think McBeane is going to take this domination by Cincinnati lightly. Some heads are going to roll. I'm kinda refreshing Twitter to see what it's going to be. I know, way too soon, but something is going to go down. I just don't know what or who it's going to be. Most likely scenario in my mind both Frasier and Dorsey are gone. never liked Frazier and and want new systems on both sides of the ball. Sick of the bend AND break defense and we need a balanced offense. Our running and passing dont set each other up an it like random plays out there. McDermott coached under Jim Johnson , who was one of the best and most aggressive DC s out there and need to get back to that. Also need to make adjustments sooner and not stay in the 52 all the time and get run over all day. i want the Kyle shannahan offense and McDermott deep down wants to run the ball more and this would do it and take pressure off josh to be perfect all the time. I want Greg Roman as our run game coordinator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Would be pretty dumb to sign a franchise all-star beast mode QB to a max 5 year deal and then say 'we need to run the ball more that should be our strength'. But hey, you're right, McD does some dumb *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: Guys.. guys... guys... is this defense not just mcdermotts defense? I mean really what do you think will change with our defensive philosophy if Frazier is fired? It's McDs defense and it always has been. Firing frazier for doing what mcd ask him to do is basically a cop out. We all know McD isn't getting fired so, we may as well just get used to it=p Frazier will be fired and McD will just hire another guy to run his worthless Tampa 2 zone. So yes this is a total cop out but unfortunately Leslie's time with this team should've ended long ago. 24 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Didn’t Andy Reid fire McDermott? Is this true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Frazier will be fired and McD will just hire another guy to run his worthless Tampa 2 zone. So yes this is a total cop out but unfortunately Leslie's time with this team should've ended long ago. Is this true? Yes its true McD was fired by reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Frazier will be fired and McD will just hire another guy to run his worthless Tampa 2 zone. So yes this is a total cop out but unfortunately Leslie's time with this team should've ended long ago. Is this true? Yes in 2011. This marked the first time in Reid’s 12 year career. https://www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/McDermott_out_as_Reid_changes_his_mind.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Eventually doesnt what comes next is age old “let me shop for the groceries” power struggle between HC vs GM? I have a sneaky suspicion that Sean's been shopping for the defensive "groceries" since day 1. Beane gets to pick the offensive players. JMHO Edited January 23, 2023 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: McDermott can't scapegoat the ST coach again, so I'm thinking it'll be Kromer. O-line was bad all year and an absolute train wreck today. Kromer would be a scapegoat that actually deserves to be fired Frazier should've been fired last year, but if he survived 13 seconds I think he survives this. The cynic in me wonders if the Bills are hoping for him to be hired as a HC somewhere else as we would get comp picks. Scapegoats offered under McBeane be out of character for them. If anything, expect them to offer up the least they feel be needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Yes in 2011. This marked the first time in Reid’s 12 year career. https://www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/McDermott_out_as_Reid_changes_his_mind.html That's crazy. I had no idea. Well that sure speaks volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I have a sneaky suspicion that Sean's been shopping for the defensive "groceries" since day 1. Beane gets to pick the offensive players. JMHO Agreed. Hindsight is 20/20 so the overall negativity on the 2019 to present drafts are reasonable. 2017 to 2018 amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said: The equipment guy… “The shoes? The shoes. It’s gotta be the shoes.” I doubt Dennis Hopper would sniff any of this team's shoes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, VaMilBill said: I think Frazier should absolutely be gone. 13 seconds, now this whole season. and if McD wants to save his own butt he will fire Dorsey and get a better OC (hopefully Reich) to take the reins and make the offense more efficient and fluid I'd love to see Frank back in Buffalo. He's a good coach, but a better OC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: I'd love to see Frank back in Buffalo. He's a good coach, but a better OC. I wouldn’t want to see Frank here for anything higher than OC. But it would be a possible feel good move by the Bills if Dorsey gets the job in Carolina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Draconator said: I don't think McBeane is going to take this domination by Cincinnati lightly. Some heads are going to roll. I'm kinda refreshing Twitter to see what it's going to be. I know, way too soon, but something is going to go down. I just don't know what or who it's going to be. Most likely scenario in my mind both Frasier and Dorsey are gone. I think you may be disappointed in your expectations unfortunately. I mean, McD said he “saw the effort” out there today from his team, where he saw that I have no idea. Maybe he’s just delusional enough to think his coordinators aren’t part of the problem too. 13 minutes ago, Billznut said: I wouldn’t want to see Frank here for anything higher than OC. But it would be a possible feel good move by the Bills if Dorsey gets the job in Carolina. A lot of teams need a HC and OC, so if they’re going to do it let’s hope it’s asap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian Higgins hair said: The right move here is first, to see if Dorsey is hired away. If not, remove him. IMO, his creativity and ability to adapt/choose the next level of playbook plays to the situation isn’t even college level talent. He freezes up mentally and reverts to vertical throws. Dorsey is losing Diggs. He’s already ruined Gabe. Knox is an afterthought. If we want to keep this team mentally in the game, I would certainly look to Reich. Smarter and proven. The question will be this: Will McDermott be too insecure to pull that move? They’re not going to remove a rookie coordinator that their franchise QB likes it’s not happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This whole season? They were 13 and three. You can’t honestly say our defense was effective all year. They never seemed to get the important stops and let teams stay in games. Rarely did we play complimentary football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Process said: You're being way too optimistic. I hope you're right but prepare to be disappointed. Most likely more of the same next year. Personally, Leslie Frazier should be the first to go. JMTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Higgins hair Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: They’re not going to remove a rookie coordinator that their franchise QB likes it’s not happening Possibly.. It would be a very Billsey move if they feel Dorsey was good enough. Does this franchise want to win? Or, is a terrible offense with key players like Diggs openly revolting the plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: These are unique circumstances. Marty Schottenheimer was fired after a 14-2 season. Dingy was fired also. We’re at that point now. Fans are losing interest. Money will be lost. Time to shake things up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I think the only one I would think would be considered is the D line coach. 24 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: You can’t honestly say our defense was effective all year. They never seemed to get the important stops and let teams stay in games. Rarely did we play complimentary football. Only reason we are talking about this is both sides of the football sucked against the Bengals. The defense at least had a decent excuse being without our two main leaders in Miller and Hyde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I truly believe Frazier is a good coach but something big has to change. You are wasting the peak years of Allen and Diggs. It's time to take a risk and make a move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: Guys.. guys... guys... is this defense not just mcdermotts defense? I mean really what do you think will change with our defensive philosophy if Frazier is fired? It's McDs defense and it always has been. Firing frazier for doing what mcd ask him to do is basically a cop out. We all know McD isn't getting fired so, we may as well just get used to it=p Right. But it’s time to just be a figurehead HC and employ a young brilliant guy to run a more aggressive pressure zone D (bengals DC) or straight man (Spags , 49ers). He has a ton of pressure on him every year they flub out of the playoffs 5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I have a sneaky suspicion that Sean's been shopping for the defensive "groceries" since day 1. Beane gets to pick the offensive players. JMHO 100. He picks guys that are culture / head coach teachers pets. I cringe now when the bills pick a player and this is what’s said about them “a coach on the field “. “His coaches loved him, team player.” bernard most recently zay jones tre white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Governor said: Dingy was fired also. We’re at that point now. Fans are losing interest. Money will be lost. Time to shake things up. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Yes in 2011. This marked the first time in Reid’s 12 year career. https://www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/McDermott_out_as_Reid_changes_his_mind.html There’s some interesting bread crumbs in there if you care to look. Especially about McD’s propensity to fall in love with certain players and not make changes until it’s too late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Eric Washington has to go. Kelly Skipper has run its course, bring in young blood. Obviously Frazier should retire. I don't know why guys continue to coach if they can't adapt. We run the same crappy system over and over again, so matter the opponent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Yes in 2011. This marked the first time in Reid’s 12 year career. https://www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/McDermott_out_as_Reid_changes_his_mind.html Cannot read, paywall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Wilde Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Draconator said: I don't think McBeane is going to take this domination by Cincinnati lightly. Some heads are going to roll. I'm kinda refreshing Twitter to see what it's going to be. I know, way too soon, but something is going to go down. I just don't know what or who it's going to be. Most likely scenario in my mind both Frasier and Dorsey are gone. McBeane should be looking in the mirror with that HORRIBE offensive line he hogtied Josh with. All of them. Even Morse. I know everybody loves Morse but I don't care. This is football. Go to church if you want to hear nice talk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: It will surely be Frazier. No way that doesn't happen. Not happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Reverse Meathead said: McBeane should be looking in the mirror with that HORRIBE offensive line he hogtied Josh with. All of them. Even Morse. I know everybody loves Morse but I don't care. This is football. Go to church if you want to hear nice talk. Not drafting chiefs C instead of Basham will haunt my dreams . By the way the C is all pro ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Unfortunately, I doubt there will be any major changes. Maybe just a couple of positional coaches. However, Frazier should be fired, the defense was a paper tiger all year and was just severely exposed by Cinci. I would love to see Dorsey gone too. His offense always felt off all year, I know they put up some numbers but they just disappeared for long stretches during games. Nothing ever seemed to be in synch. A more veteran OC would be preferable, might help to calm JA down. Something needs to be done. They can't just let this slide and head into the next season with no significant changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 hours ago, VaMilBill said: I think Frazier should absolutely be gone. 13 seconds, now this whole season. and if McD wants to save his own butt he will fire Dorsey and get a better OC (hopefully Reich) to take the reins and make the offense more efficient and fluid I see Reich getting a HC job… probably Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 hours ago, VaMilBill said: I think Frazier should absolutely be gone. 13 seconds, now this whole season. and if McD wants to save his own butt he will fire Dorsey and get a better OC (hopefully Reich) to take the reins and make the offense more efficient and fluid Reich would be a great fit for OC with JA at the helm of the offense. BUT...... 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Dorsey, after getting the endorsement of your franchise QB, just finished year one and improved on nearly every major stat vs 2021 He isn’t getting fired. Frazier, isn’t getting fired for losing Hyde, Miller, Hamlin, not having Tre White (80% of him) until December, or drafting AJ Epenessa and Boogie Basham. This is the more likely scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 If Fraizer is still DC next year I have no faith they will win the SB or even want to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: They’re not going to remove a rookie coordinator that their franchise QB likes it’s not happening Josh asked for Dorsey, Beasley, and Brown by name as well as jobs for Gentry and Barkley. I don’t mind going to your star QB for input but given the result of this season, it’s likely too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Dorsey, after getting the endorsement of your franchise QB, just finished year one and improved on nearly every major stat vs 2021 He isn’t getting fired. Frazier, isn’t getting fired for losing Hyde, Miller, Hamlin, not having Tre White (80% of him) until December, or drafting AJ Epenessa and Boogie Basham. ESPN Headline behind their paywall: ”Bills title window is closed.” Good. Let’s go into the off season the actual underdogs we are and will be until we win a SB or reimagine our trenches to look like the Eagles - who would have annihilated us. The underdog crap doesn't fly anymore pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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