Hyde and Crowder practicing! 21-Day practice windows opened *UPDATE* Hyde out WC and Divisional

[stlbills13]

What is the advantage of opening his practice window if there is no real chance he plays? Sure it's important for him to get some practice reps in as soon as he can which will help next year but I feel like any practice reps he takes away from guys like Marlowe, Madsen, etc are more detrimental to the team

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Hyde said the injury is 100% healed. 

 

No idea. 

 

Sean and his flat, emotionless face as he delivers this news. 

 

Any other time he plays things to the vest. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, stlbills13 said:

What is the advantage of opening his practice window if there is no real chance he plays? Sure it's important for him to get some practice reps in as soon as he can which will help next year but I feel like any practice reps he takes away from guys like Marlowe, Madsen, etc are more detrimental to the team

What is the disadvantage? Hyde practicing on scout team doesn’t change anything for the Bills.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

What is the advantage of opening his practice window if there is no real chance he plays? Sure it's important for him to get some practice reps in as soon as he can which will help next year but I feel like any practice reps he takes away from guys like Marlowe, Madsen, etc are more detrimental to the team

 

They must feel there is a chance he plays

[nucci]

15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Smokescreen 

for what reason?

[stlbills13]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What is the disadvantage? Hyde practicing on scout team doesn’t change anything for the Bills.

 

Yeah the idea of a scout team totally slipped my mind. My bad

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I figured Buffalo fans would be experts on disc fusion after the Jack Eichel situation. Eichel was going to be out a minimum of 6 months. That’s what all the experts said that spoke about Eichel. Hyde had the exact same surgery Eichel didn’t want to have due to recovery time among other reasons.

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I figured Buffalo fans would be experts on disc fusion after the Jack Eichel situation. Eichel was going to be out a minimum of 6 months. That’s what all the experts said that spoke about Eichel. Hyde had the exact same surgery Eichel didn’t want to have due to recovery time among other reasons.

 

 

 

Who is this, "Eichel", as you call him?

[Udubalum07]

There is plenty of practice time between the end of this year and the start of the next season.  The only reason to have him practice would be to bring him back at some point.  Unfortunately, we are closer to the three week mark, but they probably want to knock the rust off in practice and take some lumps there then throwing him into a playoff game.  Even with as much football as he had played, there is going to be some rust to work through. 

The feel for the game can take a few weeks. That would be where the concern is right now, if he's 100 percent physically. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Udubalum07 said:

There is plenty of practice time between the end of this year and the start of the next season.  The only reason to have him practice would be to bring him back at some point.  Unfortunately, we are closer to the three week mark, but they probably want to knock the rust off in practice and take some lumps there then throwing him into a playoff game.  Even with as much football as he had played, there is going to be some rust to work through. 

The feel for the game can take a few weeks. That would be where the concern is right now, if he's 100 percent physically. 

 

If he takes the non contact jersey off at some point it's about to be on.

[Big Blitz]

Bengals scouts watching Dean Marlowe chase around Tyreek, Waddle, and Jeff Wilson - definitely game planning to exploit this next week - Hyde is probably out…

 

*Saturday January 21 @ 4pm*

 

“Bills have Activated Micah Hyde.”

[TheyCallMeAndy]

They worked White, Brown, and Bease in slow, no reason to think they wouldn’t do the same with Hyde. I wasn’t expecting him prior to any of the championship games.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Udubalum07 said:

There is plenty of practice time between the end of this year and the start of the next season.  The only reason to have him practice would be to bring him back at some point.  Unfortunately, we are closer to the three week mark, but they probably want to knock the rust off in practice and take some lumps there then throwing him into a playoff game.  Even with as much football as he had played, there is going to be some rust to work through. 

The feel for the game can take a few weeks. That would be where the concern is right now, if he's 100 percent physically. 

His doctor hasn’t cleared him yet. Hyde could just want to practice with the team. 

[Virgil]

That really sucks.  We need Hyde against the Bengals.  

 

Go Ravens I guess

[NickelCity]

Need him for the Bengals. Defy the odds you sonofagun!

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

They worked White, Brown, and Bease in slow, no reason to think they wouldn’t do the same with Hyde. I wasn’t expecting him prior to any of the championship games.

 

if Hyde doesn't play next week, Burrow is going for 400. 

If we can't disguise coverages, top QB's are going to shred this secondary 

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 minutes ago, Virgil said:

That really sucks.  We need Hyde against the Bengals.  

 

Go Ravens I guess

 

 

Please, Virgil.  Just like "we needed White" against KC in the playoffs last year and that still wor...Oh ****.

 

Yeah, I am officially queasy over this.  

 

A crap load of points are needed from our O next week.

 

 

[TheBrownBear]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

His doctor hasn’t cleared him yet. Hyde could just want to practice with the team. 

Is this true?  I haven't read that anywhere and it doesn't make sense that he's practicing if he's not cleared by his doc.

[Big Blitz]

Lol.  He knows he’ll be out next week but after that he doesn’t know.  
 

Suuuuuuure Coach.  Sure.   
 

 

Let’s take care of business this week first.  Taking nothing for granted.  Absolutely nothing.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Is this true?  I haven't read that anywhere and it doesn't make sense that he's practicing if he's not cleared by his doc.

He's had the red non-contract jersey on for this weeks practice. 

 

In his interview he said the trainer has been pushing him in the weight room, and he stays afterwards to do 100-lunges. 

 

 

[damj]

17 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Who is this, "Eichel", as you call him?

That's a dead name for a former hockey savior

[Warriorspikes51]

this is BULL.  Why was he ruled out of the WC the other day and now suddenly ruled out for next week too? 
 

Why not just say he's week to week and we'll see 

[LABILLBACKER]

23 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They must feel there is a chance he plays

I think the AFCCG is realistic. See how he feels after a couple more weeks of practice. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[dollars 2 donuts]

 

 

And before some of you wise-***es jump all over us for being a little bit gloom and doom about both Hyde and Hamlin not be able to play next week against Higgins, Chase and Boyd go do a little history research and take a look at what the defensemen injury bugaboo did to the 2005-06 Buffalo Sabres and the almost dream season.

 

 

A freaking Stanley Cup winning silver platter which the Sabres current GM knows about all too well as he benefited greatly from it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

Edited January 13, 2023 by dollars 2 donuts

[Beck Water]

48 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

What is the advantage of opening his practice window if there is no real chance he plays? Sure it's important for him to get some practice reps in as soon as he can which will help next year but I feel like any practice reps he takes away from guys like Marlowe, Madsen, etc are more detrimental to the team

 

Guys, it's a 21-day practice window for a reason.  Players who have been on IR have a legit need to work their bodies back into football shape.  That's real, just the impacts these guys take landing on the ground and rolling and getting up again when they aren't actually smashing into someone or being smashed takes some adjustment.

 

I haven't talked to a football player about this, we have some guys here who played they can confirm or deny.  The closest analogy I have is a friend who fights in the SCA (society of creative anachronism).  That's the medieval recreation group that dons actual re-creation armor and, as he puts it, "hits each other with sticks".  He describes how when you start fighting, you get hit and each blow you take, even a non-disaabling blow to your shield, sends a disabling wave of pain through you.  As you keep fighting, your perception of "normal" pain shifts and the same blow is accepted by your body as "OK, not a problem" you're able to follow through and maintain your guard and carry on your body control.  It even kind of revs you up in a weird way (that's the Josh Allen "I need a little contact")

 

27 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Is this true?  I haven't read that anywhere and it doesn't make sense that he's practicing if he's not cleared by his doc.

 

He's cleared by his docs to practice, wearing a no-contact jersey.  He's not cleared to play football.   Yet.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Beck Water

[Process]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

this is BULL.  Why was he ruled out of the WC the other day and now suddenly ruled out for next week too? 
 

Why not just say he's week to week and we'll see 

There is probably a chance that McDermott, Hyde and doctors know there is 0 percent chance he plays this season, and that he is practicing simply because he wants too and to help motivate the team. 

 

Who knows. Hopefully he is back for the championship games. 

[TheBrownBear]

Just now, Beck Water said:

He's cleared by his docs to practice, wearing a no-contact jersey.  He's not cleared to play football. 

Thanks.  I hadn't read that anywhere.  I was assuming the he was put in the 21 day window since he was completely cleared to play.  That's the way the reporting made it seem a few days ago.  I knew he'd been wearing the red jersey, but I thought it was just because he was working his way back from the lengthy absence.  If he hasn't been cleared for contact, then it seems that placing him in the 21 day activation window was, at best, a Hail Mary by the Bills, and it's really much ado about nothing as for our hopes of seeing him play this postseason.  

[stlbills13]

Also wish McD had not mentioned this. At least make Cincy think he might play

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Thanks.  I hadn't read that anywhere.  I was assuming the he was put in the 21 day window since he was completely cleared to play.  That's the way the reporting made it seem a few days ago.  I knew he'd been wearing the red jersey, but I thought it was just because he was working his way back from the lengthy absence.  If he hasn't been cleared for contact, then it seems that placing him in the 21 day activation window was, at best, a Hail Mary by the Bills, and it's really much ado about nothing as for our hopes of seeing him play this postseason.  

 

Hyde said it in his interview after his first practice, that "it wasn't up to him if he plays, it's up to his doctors".  The only way I can interpret that is they cleared him to practice, not to play at this point.

 

Similar thing to Tre White (though hopefully, not as prolonged); he was cleared to start practicing, not to play.

 

I think it is, in some sense, a Hail Mary.  It's saying if we get through the next two games and Poyer (playing on a torn meniscus in his knee) or Dean Marlow can't go, there may be a proven alternative ready to rock.  If Hyde doesn't start practicing now, there's no good alternative what with Hamlin out.  I may be totally dissing on Jaquan Johnson and Cam Lewis but nothing I've seen leads me to believe they could hold up against a top, multi-dimensional team.

 

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Beck Water

[Buffalo_Stampede]

22 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Is this true?  I haven't read that anywhere and it doesn't make sense that he's practicing if he's not cleared by his doc.

 

So doing some research it does seem players have returned to play in just 3 months. So Hyde playing in late January isn’t something that has never been done. 
 

I thought 6 months minimum. 3 months seems to be the minimum. I stand corrected. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

So Hyde won't play at the 12th day of the 21 day window. 

 

But the 19th day of the window he'd be good to go?

 

It's that fine of a line?

[Goin Breakdown]

53 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Dang.  That's some crappy news to start the weekend.  Probably the Super Bowl at best based on Sean already ruling him out for the Bengals game.  ☹️

Ravens game. I can hope. 

[DrDawkinstein]

20 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Guys, it's a 21-day practice window for a reason.  Players who have been on IR have a legit need to work their bodies back into football shape.  That's real, just the impacts these guys take landing on the ground and rolling and getting up again when they aren't actually smashing into someone or being smashed takes some adjustment.

 

I haven't talked to a football player about this, we have some guys here who played they can confirm or deny.  The closest analogy I have is a friend who fights in the SCA (society of creative anachronism).  That's the medieval recreation group that dons actual re-creation armor and, as he puts it, "hits each other with sticks".  He describes how when you start fighting, you get hit and each blow you take, even a non-disaabling blow to your shield, sends a disabling wave of pain through you.  As you keep fighting, your perception of "normal" pain shifts and the same blow is accepted by your body as "OK, not a problem" you're able to follow through and maintain your guard and carry on your body control.  It even kind of revs you up in a weird way (that's the Josh Allen "I need a little contact")

 

 

He's cleared by his docs to practice, wearing a no-contact jersey.  He's not cleared to play football.   Yet.

 

There isnt a ton of quantifiable medical facts or data to back it up, but anyone who has played a contact sport knows there is a HUGE difference between wind conditioning and hitting/contact conditioning. Hyde could be able to run a marathon right now, but one quarter of hitting with no prior contact will destroy him.

 

It's partly why we see all these injuries (across all teams) now that teams dont hit as much (or at all) through Training Camp and practices.

[nucci]

14 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

Also wish McD had not mentioned this. At least make Cincy think he might play

Why would that change anything for the Bengals? Not like they'd stop throwing the ball

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, nucci said:

Why would that change anything for the Bengals? Not like they'd stop throwing the ball

Yeah, a safety isn’t changing a game plan.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Look, breaking out Hyde in time for KC? I'm in. 

[RiotAct]

34 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

this is BULL.  Why was he ruled out of the WC the other day and now suddenly ruled out for next week too? 
 

Why not just say he's week to week and we'll see 

yeah not sure why McDermott would put that info out there so soon.

5 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Look, breaking out Hyde in time for KC? I'm in. 

Me too, as long as we get to the Championship round against KC in the first place.

 

Having someone like Hyde out there could be the difference between a win and a loss against the Bengals in the divisional round.

[KDIGGZ]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

How they handled White?

 

That was White’s decision when he took the field.

 

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Different injuries, different players, different situations 

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Completely different injuries and people. 

The point is they seemed to be overly cautious. Maybe this week Hyde practices with the red jersey and maybe they give him another week without it for his body to get used to hitting before rushing into anything. The fact that he is even back practicing shows it's a different situation but the Bills have shown to be more cautious than we would have expected 

[sullim4]

12 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Ravens game. I can hope. 

 

If Baltimore beats Cincinnati and the Bills win on Sunday, they are guaranteed to go to KC in the next round as they will be the lowest remaining seed.

 

The Bills would play the winner of LAC/JAX.

 

 

[WotAGuy]

41 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I haven't talked to a football player about this, we have some guys here who played they can confirm or deny.  The closest analogy I have is a friend who fights in the SCA (society of creative anachronism).  That's the medieval recreation group that dons actual re-creation armor and, as he puts it, "hits each other with sticks".  He describes how when you start fighting, you get hit and each blow you take, even a non-disaabling blow to your shield, sends a disabling wave of pain through you.  As you keep fighting, your perception of "normal" pain shifts and the same blow is accepted by your body as "OK, not a problem" you're able to follow through and maintain your guard and carry on your body control.  

I believe this phenomenon is called 
“Three Stooges Syndrome”