Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I don't remember a rumor about Von to Buffalo,  it just happened..

 

I feel like we were all thinking to be in on Chandler Jones and then he goes to the Raiders and out of nowhere it's announced that evening that Von is signing with the Bills.

[Fan in Chicago]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I posted this because I feel like Schrager is foreshadowing something.

Hope it's a Hopkins or Jeudy signing. I personally prefer Jeudy for his potential, age and $ cost but to go all-in for a SB this year, Hopkins is the more proven option 

 

Either signing today may make me lose control of certain bodily fluids. 

[BruceVilanch]

4 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

this one…..feels different.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I don't remember a rumor about Von to Buffalo,  it just happened..

 

No rumor since he was an UFA.  It was meeting with several teams and then deciding.  We all thought he'd choose elsewhere.

[Gregg]

8 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

I feel like the more this is being reported the more unlikely it is.  You hardly ever see things about Buffalo being true

 

This kind of reminds me of the hype with Mario Williams. The Bills did get him.

[Not at the table Karlos]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I would agree...if they hadn't signed Von last year.

With Sanders and Miller all we knew was they tried to trade for them before. There wasn't much info or discussion about interest before signing. With Miller everyone was pissed about missing out on Chandler Jones who we were rumored to be the front runner on. Then boom "is 40 open?"

Edited March 23, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[Logic]

I feel like "The Bills are trading for Big Name Receiver X", followed by "Breaking News: Big Name Receiver X has been traded to not-the-Bills" has become a yearly tradition.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Not at the table Karlos]

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

This kind of reminds me of the hype with Mario Williams. The Bills did get him.

Williams was actually here and in the building though. 

[Scott7975]

34 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Man, people around here have a def hard on for trading Oliver.  

 

Probably because if the Bills dont trade him its going to end up like Edwards... Either pay more than he is really worth and find the money to do it or let him walk for pretty much nothing.

[Einstein's Dog]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I feel like we were all thinking to be in on Chandler Jones and then he goes to the Raiders and out of nowhere it's announced that evening that Von is signing with the Bills.

I thought most of us were thinking/hoping we would be in on a stud pass rusher last year.   And it happened.

 

This year the majority of the intelligent posters have been hoping for OL help and another stud playmaker on offense (while realizing that to accomplish this there would need to be a movement of resources from the defense to the offense).

 

Getting to far into the weeds is a fools errand.  But so far so good on the overall plan.  And a D Hop move insanely good.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

I feel like "The Bills are trading for Big Name Receiver X", followed by "Breaking News: Big Name Receiver X has been traded to not-the-Bills" has become a yearly tradition.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I hear you, but we did trade for Diggs

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

With Sanders and Miller all we knew was they tried to trade for them before. There wasn't much info or discussion about interest before signing. With Miller everyone was pissed about missing out on Chandler Jones who we were rumored to be the front runner on. Then boom "is 40 open?"

 

I believe the Bills inquired about Hopkins during the 2020 off-season.

[stevestojan]

Ground up and in the freezer. 
 

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I believe the Bills inquired about Hopkins during the 2020 off-season.

Now that you mention it I think that is correct.

[billsfan89]

The more I think about Hopkins the more I don't like the move. Giving up draft capital and taking on the cap hit longer term for a soon-to-be 31-year-old receiver who has been hurt the past two seasons. I get how elite he is but I would rather look elsewhere either on the trade market or via the draft. 

[Warriorspikes51]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I posted this because I feel like Schrager is foreshadowing something.

agreed it seems that way

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The more I think about Hopkins the more I don't like the move. Giving up draft capital and taking on the cap hit longer term for a soon-to-be 31-year-old receiver who has been hurt the past two seasons. I get how elite he is but I would rather look elsewhere either on the trade market or via the draft. 

 

This is the type of move that can get the Bills over the hump.  There would be no more excuses for the offensive side of the football.  If they still cant get it done then either Josh isnt good enough or this coaching staff isnt good enough.  They have the roster.

 

You should like this move IMO.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Scott7975

[Simon Says]

On 1/10/2023 at 4:53 PM, NeverOutNick said:

The Score's Jordan Schultz reports that the Cardinals plan to trade DeAndre Hopkins this offseason.
 

i’ve been telling my buddies for the last month that if we could just get DeAndre Hopkins to be our 1b to Stefon Diggs 1a we would be set at receiver next year. Gabe Davis can then flourish as the third guy like he used to. And we know DeAndre Hopkins has some of the best hands this league has ever seen.

 

Then the draft would be Offensive line galore with a sprinkle of secondary help 

If somehow the Bills could acquire Hopkins....I don't think the top 2 draft priorities are OL and DB.....would be MLB big hole there) and WR (still). Bills have signed 2 guards and supposedly re signed Quessenberry.

[Ben]

Just stop and think of diggs on one side and Hopkins on the other. Just insane

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The more I think about Hopkins the more I don't like the move. Giving up draft capital and taking on the cap hit longer term for a soon-to-be 31-year-old receiver who has been hurt the past two seasons. I get how elite he is but I would rather look elsewhere either on the trade market or via the draft. 

MCL tear was 2 years ago and last year was a knee "flare up" the last two weeks of a meaningless season for the Cards.

Edited March 23, 2023 by The Wiz

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

This is the type of move that can get the Bills over the hump.  There would be no more excuses for the offensive side of the football.  If they still cant get it done then either Josh isnt good enough or this coaching staff isnt good enough.  They have the roster.

 

You should like this move IMO.

 

Need to improve both lines. The OL isn't good and without Von the pass rush was weak.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

Need to improve both lines. The OL isn't good and without Von the pass rush was weak.

The Bengals were a play or 2 from winning the SB with a line worse than the Bills

[jahnyc]

I would think the draft needs are MLB, OT, DT and DE (in that order) if we acquire Hopkins.

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The more I think about Hopkins the more I don't like the move. Giving up draft capital and taking on the cap hit longer term for a soon-to-be 31-year-old receiver who has been hurt the past two seasons. I get how elite he is but I would rather look elsewhere either on the trade market or via the draft. 

 

I'd reserve judgement.  If we can make it work under the cap and not give up a pick in the first 3 rounds, then I'd say it's a great move.  Hopkins is better than anyone else we will find in FA or in the draft and makes our offense insane.  If these offensive lineman upgrades work out, Harris can run the ball some, and opposing defenses have to worry about Diggs, Hopkins, and Davis.....c'mon.  That's like playing Madden

[Gregg]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

The Bengals were a play or 2 from winning the SB with a line worse than the Bills

 

Their defense played better in the playoffs. The Bills defense was disappointing in the playoffs. 

[Virgil]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Need to improve both lines. The OL isn't good and without Von the pass rush was weak.

 

If this offense comes to fruition, all we will need the defense to do is force one punt a game.  

[Gregg]

Just now, Virgil said:

 

If this offense comes to fruition, all we will need the defense to do is force one punt a game.  

 

Diggs and Hopkins will not only do damage themselves, but they will open things up for everyone else. Davis would probably make a great #3 WR. Knox becomes more dangerous as well.

[BruceVilanch]

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

I feel like "The Bills are trading for Big Name Receiver X", followed by "Breaking News: Big Name Receiver X has been traded to not-the-Bills" has become a yearly tradition.

I'll believe it when I see it.

The only one I remember is Antonio Brown, and thank God he was traded to not-the-bills

[billsfan89]

Just now, Virgil said:

 

I'd reserve judgement.  If we can make it work under the cap and not give up a pick in the first 3 rounds, then I'd say it's a great move.  Hopkins is better than anyone else we will find in FA or in the draft and makes our offense insane.  If these offensive lineman upgrades work out, Harris can run the ball some, and opposing defenses have to worry about Diggs, Hopkins, and Davis.....c'mon.  That's like playing Madden

 

The details are going to make a big difference. But the cap hit won't be cheap long-term and Hopkins has been banged up the past two seasons and is going to be 31. I fear that if they go with Hopkins and pass on drafting a WR up high a lot of the offensive production is going to rest on an older more banged-up player. Yes any player even a rookie or younger player can get hurt but you do have to play the percentages. 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Need to improve both lines. The OL isn't good and without Von the pass rush was weak.

 

Who in FA are the Bills getting to improve the OL?  The Bills have already done what they are going to do on the oline, barring the draft. The oline will be ok when Josh has star receivers on both sides of it, a better slot most likely and hopefully better plans from Dorsey other than just sending guys deep downfield all day.

 

As for Dline, Von will be back. Wasting more resources on Dline isnt the answer. They have done that multiple years now.

[Governor]

13 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The more I think about Hopkins the more I don't like the move. Giving up draft capital and taking on the cap hit longer term for a soon-to-be 31-year-old receiver who has been hurt the past two seasons. I get how elite he is but I would rather look elsewhere either on the trade market or via the draft. 

Beane is incapable of drafting impactful players so this is the avenue he’s forced to take. I’m fine with it.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Governor

[Logic]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

Who in FA are the Bills getting to improve the OL?  The Bills have already done what they are going to do on the oline, barring the draft. The oline will be ok when Josh has star receivers on both sides of it, a better slot most likely and hopefully better plans from Dorsey other than just sending guys deep downfield all day.

 

As for Dline, Von will be back. Wasting more resources on Dline isnt the answer. They have done that multiple years now.

Sunk cost fallacy.

Just because they have spent a bunch trying to improve the D-Line doesn't mean that the D-Line is good enough and that they should stop trying to improve it.

Don't get me wrong, I want offensive upgrades, and I DON'T want to see a bunch more premium resources be spent on the DL any more than the next guy, but..."we already invested a bunch" isn't a good reason not to continue to try to improve a unit if said unit still is not up to snuff.

[Figster]

3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The details are going to make a big difference. But the cap hit won't be cheap long-term and Hopkins has been banged up the past two seasons and is going to be 31. I fear that if they go with Hopkins and pass on drafting a WR up high a lot of the offensive production is going to rest on an older more banged-up player. Yes any player even a rookie or younger player can get hurt but you do have to play the percentages. 

I think by the time you spread the ball around along with a good run game Hopkins can handle the load IMO.

 

Hopkins and Diggs on the field together also opens up other possibilities IMO.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Figster

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Who in FA are the Bills getting to improve the OL?  The Bills have already done what they are going to do on the oline, barring the draft. The oline will be ok when Josh has star receivers on both sides of it, a better slot most likely and hopefully better plans from Dorsey other than just sending guys deep downfield all day.

 

As for Dline, Von will be back. Wasting more resources on Dline isnt the answer. They have done that multiple years now.

 

I still think they go OL in Rd #1 especially if they get Hopkins. As for DL I could see the Bills drafting someone as well in the later rounds. Von will be 34 and coming off a major injury. I hope he can regain his form but who knows.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

[gjv]

We need to put real playmakers around Josh. If Hopkins is to rich for our blood then let’s get Josh the best playmaker in the draft, Bijan Robinson. Not only a Barkley clone, but an outstanding receiver.

[stevewin]

22 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Williams was actually here and in the building though. 

And at Tempo

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

Sunk cost fallacy.

Just because they have spent a bunch trying to improve the D-Line doesn't mean that the D-Line is good enough and that they should stop trying to improve it.

Don't get me wrong, I want offensive upgrades, and I DON'T want to see a bunch more premium resources be spent on the DL any more than the next guy, but..."we already invested a bunch" isn't a good reason not to continue to try to improve a unit if said unit still is not up to snuff.

 

Thats not quite what I mean.  Im not saying dont improve it if you can.  Im saying they spent the last few years trying to improve it and they have a lot of money and high draft picks already tied up in it.  At some point you cant ignore the offense in favor of one position group. 

 

IOW's... dont not sign Hopkins just because you want to try and find even more dlinemen.  These guys should be good enough.  KC made it work with basically Clark.

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I still think they go OL in Rd #1 especially if they get Hopkins. As for DL I could see the Bills drafting someone as well in the later rounds. Von will be 34 and coming off a major injury. I hope he can regain his form but who knows.

 

Yep on the draft.  I think Von will be fine.  Even a slightly lost step he is still elite.  The guy works his ass off.  I dont see Von being a JAG out there.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Scott7975

[filthymcnasty08]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Y'all got any more of those all pro WR's to the Bills?

[stevestojan]

For those that hate this potential move, how would you feel if he signed with the Jets/Pats/Dolphins? Or the Chiefs? 

 

Big fat linemen in the draft can start and have an impact on day 1. Most WRs, not so much. 

Edited March 23, 2023 by stevestojan