BillsVet Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 "It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my tail off and McDermott gets a few ranks higher on defense, I don't see another dime; so where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now." Peter Gibbons was ahead of his time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: It blows my mind how many posters I've NEVER seen suddenly are out and on every page of every thread reveling in some team struggles. These mf's wouldn't be here if we won the SB, and im supposed to take them serious lol clowns Bills 18 - 2 FTH!!!! Nobody is “reveling” in anything. There are simply a lot of people that never thought this offense was as talented as the ranking showed. Our oline is average for the most part. We have no run game. Davis looks like a better 4th or 5th passing option, knox has disappeared for the most part. We all want the same thing. Some of us just see the path to getting there differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 23 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: see you can’t just dismiss points allowed with a hand wave like this and expect anyone to take you seriously. Points allowed matters (it matters the most, actually.) And holding the ball for 7-8 minutes drives does not have a negative effect on the team? Asking for a friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: It blows my mind how many posters I've NEVER seen suddenly are out and on every page of every thread reveling in some team struggles. These mf's wouldn't be here if we won the SB, and im supposed to take them serious lol clowns Bills 18 - 2 FTH!!!! Bad play brings up more discussion. Bet the Bills players and coaches would say the same when doing their film study. 22 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: 22 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Edited November 8, 2022 by BananaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: At least 6 quarters. Enough about points allowed, the opposition is moving the ball easily, which keeps the offense on the sidelines. Pickett a rookie had over 300 yards passing (yes a blowout, but nonetheless). Gashed by the run the last 6 quarters. No way should they allow have allowed Zach Wilson 72% completion % and the Jets to control TOP. Coaches seemed slow to react against Pack. Played mostly pass defense in 2nd half, as Pack ran the ball play after play. Edited November 8, 2022 by cba fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, cba fan said: Coaches seemed slow to react against Pack. Played mostly pass defense in 2nd half, as Pack ran the ball play after play. And most gave them the pass because they were up in the game was never in doubt. However versus the Jets inexcusable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Beaker hair on fire.jfif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I hardly think giving up 20 points is bad. offense is bad. i'm not naming names. they know who they are. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And holding the ball for 7-8 minutes drives does not have a negative effect on the team? Asking for a friend All comparative. Long opposition drives can affect the offense’s rhythm sure. Jet’s game I didn’t see the offense getting into any sort of rhythm anyways. The turnovers were worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 18 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: At least 6 quarters. Enough about points allowed, the opposition is moving the ball easily, which keeps the offense on the sidelines. Pickett a rookie had over 300 yards passing (yes a blowout, but nonetheless). Gashed by the run the last 6 quarters. No way should they allow have allowed Zach Wilson 72% completion % and the Jets to control TOP. Even the last six quarters they've been very far from bad. Very far. Not great, certainly. But plenty good enough to win both games and nearly all games, really. If opponents were moving the ball easily, they'd score a lot. They didn't, because they moved the ball easily sometimes and plenty of other times not. The problem simply hasn't been the D, though they haven't been playing at their best. And you can try to ignore points allowed and injuries. But they still count a lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 18 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again no one wants to blame the Defense. They have allowed offenses to gash them. Yes Allen has had a bad 6 quarters, but when the Defense allows Wilson (really Chad) to grind out 7-8 minute drives, that is not great. This is the new blueprint vs. the Bills, keep the offense off the field and yes when they finally get on the field that get Antsy (Allen & Dorsey) and want points. Surprise, always defending the Coaches. Thing is, they really have NOT allowed offenses to gash them. The Jets scored 20. And seven of that 20 came from a drive that started from the Bills 19 due to a horrible Allen INT. The Pack scored 17. The defense put us in position to win. When the offense scored a decent amount we beat the Pack. When they scored 17 (17 PPG would make us 28th in scoring, ahead of Houston, LA Rams, Denver, Pittsburgh and Indy) we lost. And when the offense gets back to normal, Bills fans should be thrilled if opponents go with that game plan, especially when we get back Milano, Poyer, etc. The D certainly has had problems with the run for the last six quarters. And they have pretty much kicked butt against the run the rest of the year. We're 12th in defensive YPA allowed right now, and that's after the last two weeks. If these problems continue, it might be worth worrying. Not even close to the biggest problem right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Thing is, they really have NOT allowed offenses to gash them. The Jets scored 20. And seven of that 20 came from a drive that started from the Bills 19 due to a horrible Allen INT. The Pack scored 17. The defense put us in position to win. When the offense scored a decent amount we beat the Pack. When they scored 17 (17 PPG would make us 28th in scoring, ahead of Houston, LA Rams, Denver, Pittsburgh and Indy) we lost. And when the offense gets back to normal, Bills fans should be thrilled if opponents go with that game plan, especially when we get back Milano, Poyer, etc. The D certainly has had problems with the run for the last six quarters. And they have pretty much kicked butt against the run the rest of the year. We're 12th in defensive YPA allowed right now, and that's after the last two weeks. If these problems continue, it might be worth worrying. Not even close to the biggest problem right now. Allowing Zach Wilson to go up-and-down the field in time consuming drives to me that's being gashed. Again it's not how many points they scored it's the fact that they controlled the ball for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 20 hours ago, Big Turk said: The offense would have plenty of points if Allen stopped turning it over at a near NFL leading pace. Bills play as if turnovers are no big deal and don't really care about them on offense, but the team with the best turnover differential in the NFL is the only one still with 0 losses. There is a lesson to be learned in there for them. Turnover differential is like the easiest indicator of playoff teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I just think we have a convergence of unfortunate circumstances over these last couple games. Not having Milano, Poyer and Tre against the Jets is a deal breaker. Whatever has sent Josh into this uncharacteristic funk needs to get reset. And the coaches have to be smart enough to make adjustments on both offensive & defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Allowing Zach Wilson to go up-and-down the field in time consuming drives to me that's being gashed. Again it's not how many points they scored it's the fact that they controlled the ball for so long. They were 5-13 on 3rd downs. 2/2 on 4ths. The game was 14-3 and they had the long drive to bring it back to 14-10. Buffalo screwed up a chance to go up 7 there by not using their last timeout to really exploit the middle of the field (or to use the sidelines to stop the clock and get some free yards. They then had a decent drive aided by poor officiating a fake punt, and buffalo still stopped them when it counted. Allen just gave it right back. Now down 17-14 offense drove down for 3, and we immediately got a 3 and out. With 12 and change left we got to midfield and just blew it. You need to put pressure on the other team there. Even so - Buffalo gave up 77 yards rushing on the last drive and still got a stop somehow and gave the offense one last chance. Before that last drive they had under 100 yards rushing and under 150 yards net passing. If Buffalo scores on the first possession, or at the half, or when the game was tied... they win. I don't care if they move up the field and kick field goals - we should beat a team that does that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 This is what our defense is and has been. We are a great defense only when partnered with a good offense. The D will hold you to 15-20pts, give up some long drives, and keep you in games. If the O struggles the D is going wear down a bit. Bottom line - most games you score 24+ you will win with this D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 20 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again no one wants to blame the Defense. They have allowed offenses to gash them. Yes Allen has had a bad 6 quarters, but when the Defense allows Wilson (really Chad) to grind out 7-8 minute drives, that is not great. This is the new blueprint vs. the Bills, keep the offense off the field and yes when they finally get on the field that get Antsy (Allen & Dorsey) and want points. Surprise, always defending the Coaches. The blueprint only works if you have a good secondary, and even then its at best a coin flip. GB has a good secondary and they gave up over 5 consecutive drives, and while their run game was effective into the 2 high safety looks, it didn't result in nearly enough points to catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Points allowed is what I look at....they have been solid in that area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) Meh…if it happened with some of Milano/Rousseau/poyer/tre white in the lineup I’d be more concerned. One concern would be we seem thin at LB because all the jets did was pick on Bernard and it was enough. If Milano was in the lineup I don’t think they would have hit double digits. I know injuries are no excuse yada yada, but we were missing 3 or 4 all pro level guys on the defensive side that are all returning soon. It’s not like we were missing average players that were replaced by slightly worse guys Edited November 9, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 20 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again no one wants to blame the Defense. They have allowed offenses to gash them. Yes Allen has had a bad 6 quarters, but when the Defense allows Wilson (really Chad) to grind out 7-8 minute drives, that is not great. This is the new blueprint vs. the Bills, keep the offense off the field and yes when they finally get on the field that get Antsy (Allen & Dorsey) and want points. Surprise, always defending the Coaches. This is ridiculous. The Bills have the best scoring defense in the league. It’s the best per game and the best per play. It’s not a perfect metric, but it’s also not particularly close. Bills are giving up 14.8 ppg. Second best is Denver at 16.5. Link There is certainly room for debate about whether the Bills have the best Defense in the league, but it’s certainly been good enough for the Bills to win every game they’ve played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: They were 5-13 on 3rd downs. 2/2 on 4ths. The game was 14-3 and they had the long drive to bring it back to 14-10. Buffalo screwed up a chance to go up 7 there by not using their last timeout to really exploit the middle of the field (or to use the sidelines to stop the clock and get some free yards. They then had a decent drive aided by poor officiating a fake punt, and buffalo still stopped them when it counted. Allen just gave it right back. Now down 17-14 offense drove down for 3, and we immediately got a 3 and out. With 12 and change left we got to midfield and just blew it. You need to put pressure on the other team there. Even so - Buffalo gave up 77 yards rushing on the last drive and still got a stop somehow and gave the offense one last chance. Before that last drive they had under 100 yards rushing and under 150 yards net passing. If Buffalo scores on the first possession, or at the half, or when the game was tied... they win. I don't care if they move up the field and kick field goals - we should beat a team that does that. In a tie game the Bills offense punting with 8 minutes left from mid-field is "blowing it", but the defense giving up an 84 yard 6 minute FG drive (including all 3 Bills timeouts and 2 minute warning) is "getting a stop and giving the offense another chance" ? Bills played pretty poorly on both sides of the ball. I don't know why people are bending over backwards to forgive the defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: In a tie game the Bills offense punting with 8 minutes left from mid-field is "blowing it", but the defense giving up an 84 yard 6 minute FG drive (including all 3 Bills timeouts and 2 minute warning) is "getting a stop and giving the offense another chance" ? Bills played pretty poorly on both sides of the ball. I don't know why people are bending over backwards to forgive the defense. The defense had one possession and gave up 3 points. The offense had 2 possessions and scored 0 points. The defense didn't play well but to act as though they're the reason we lost is not really accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 You get the ball to your MVP QB with two minutes to play and down by only three points there’s a clear expectation that he’ll get you into position for at least a look at a game tying field goal. It didn’t happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Poyer and Hyde out is absolutely killer. Season shifted right there. Hopefully Milano's annual injury is over and done with. The fact Epenesa and Basham remain zeroes isn't helping either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 23 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: At least 6 quarters. Enough about points allowed, the opposition is moving the ball easily, which keeps the offense on the sidelines. Pickett a rookie had over 300 yards passing (yes a blowout, but nonetheless). Gashed by the run the last 6 quarters. No way should they allow have allowed Zach Wilson 72% completion % and the Jets to control TOP. Why over exaggerate? Here are the facts: #1 Seed in the AFC - And 2 missed FG's by Bass in games we were decimated by injuries keeping us from probably being 8-0 #1 scoring Defense in the NFL and by a wide margin of over 2 points per game to the next closest team #4 Defense in yards allowed #6th in rushing yards allowed The D wasn't bad against the Packers, we gave up 17 points in a game our offense couldn't stay on the field in the 2nd half. We played to stop the pass with a large multiple score lead in the 2nd half which opened up some rush opportunities which gave small plays and ate time. We won by 2 scores still. Against the Jets, the D was missing 2 main anchors in Poyer and Milano, to go with already missing Tre and Hyde and then we had injuries during the game to guys who started the game like Elam and then of course Groot. And yet we still only gave up 20 points. The issue was not the defense, it was the offenses inability to sustain drives and get anything going in the 2nd half. Our D, already severely short handed, couldn't get off the field and gave Jets more opportunities to play ball control and wear down the defense further. So all this panic everyone has is completely lacking the context of the past two games. I don't think people realize how close we are to being 8-0. It took some rare and extreme circumstances to lose the Miami game even though we completely dominated that game by every measurable standard. And then the Jets game, they made their long FG attempt, and we missed ours. Not to mention the absolute dime Josh dropped on Davis on last pass of the game he flat out dropped and bounced off his face. When we were healthy, we were annihilating teams most week and went into KC and beat them again. They guys we have been missing on D are not guys backups can just plug in and play up to their level...they are amongst the best at their positions in the league with guys like Milano, Hyde, Poyer, and Tre. Not to mention our young talent has missed time too. Now we got an elbow situation to monitor with Josh which is the scariest of all the injury situations and just hope it doesn't get worse if he tries to play through it. Just get healthy for the playoffs. We can do that, we will be the scariest team in either conference come playoff time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why over exaggerate? Here are the facts: #1 Seed in the AFC - And 2 missed FG's by Bass in games we were decimated by injuries keeping us from probably being 8-0 #1 scoring Defense in the NFL and by a wide margin of over 2 points per game to the next closest team #4 Defense in yards allowed #6th in rushing yards allowed The D wasn't bad against the Packers, we gave up 17 points in a game our offense couldn't stay on the field in the 2nd half. We played to stop the pass with a large multiple score lead in the 2nd half which opened up some rush opportunities which gave small plays and ate time. We won by 2 scores still. Against the Jets, the D was missing 2 main anchors in Poyer and Milano, to go with already missing Tre and Hyde and then we had injuries during the game to guys who started the game like Elam and then of course Groot. And yet we still only gave up 20 points. The issue was not the defense, it was the offenses inability to sustain drives and get anything going in the 2nd half. Our D, already severely short handed, couldn't get off the field and gave Jets more opportunities to play ball control and wear down the defense further. So all this panic everyone has is completely lacking the context of the past two games. I don't think people realize how close we are to being 8-0. It took some rare and extreme circumstances to lose the Miami game even though we completely dominated that game by every measurable standard. And then the Jets game, they made their long FG attempt, and we missed ours. Not to mention the absolute dime Josh dropped on Davis on last pass of the game he flat out dropped and bounced off his face. When we were healthy, we were annihilating teams most week and went into KC and beat them again. They guys we have been missing on D are not guys backups can just plug in and play up to their level...they are amongst the best at their positions in the league with guys like Milano, Hyde, Poyer, and Tre. Not to mention our young talent has missed time too. Now we got an elbow situation to monitor with Josh which is the scariest of all the injury situations and just hope it doesn't get worse if he tries to play through it. Just get healthy for the playoffs. We can do that, we will be the scariest team in either conference come playoff time. Not disagreeing, but the Defense was not good vs. the Jets is my point. Yes they allowed only 20 points but allowed Wilson & the Jets to control the ball & clock, which I'm convinced is the reason for Allen's second pick after sitting on the sideline for a 9 minute drive. BTW you forgot to mention the phantom hold on fist down (finally watched the replay and absolutely no hold) and Diggs caught the ball inside the 50. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Not disagreeing, but the Defense was not good vs. the Jets is my point. Yes they allowed only 20 points but allowed Wilson & the Jets to control the ball & clock, which I'm convinced is the reason for Allen's second pick after sitting on the sideline for a 9 minute drive. BTW you forgot to mention the phantom hold on fist down (finally watched the replay and absolutely no hold) and Diggs caught the ball inside the 50. I agree on the first down. My only point though was the offense was sputtering which kept putting our very short handed defense back on the field. So I think the defense is fine, it was just getting worn down by being on the field a lot and missing 4 guys amongst the best in the NFL at their positions and two young starters we lost for parts of the game in Groot in Elam. I am not overly concerned moving forward, we are still the best team in the league in points allowed by a wide margin. We just for the first time this year didn't get the offense going and score over 20 points ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: You get the ball to your MVP QB with two minutes to play and down by only three points there’s a clear expectation that he’ll get you into position for at least a look at a game tying field goal. It didn’t happen. Not Josh's fault on that though...phantom holding penalty overturning a great throw to Diggs then Davis dropped an absolute monster dime on a 70 yard bomb that no only is a gimme FG from there, but they had a shot at the endzone still to win the game too if Davis catches that instead of bouncing it off his face. I think I was more sick about that drop than I was on the Hopkins hailmary loss. To see our injured QB make that throw while rolling out to his left was mind blowing. Then to see Davis drop it was sickening. Reminded me when Josh got that impossible ball to Charles Clay and he couldn't make the catch against Miami and we lost that game. Except this throw was a dime, but both should have been caught and Josh should have 2 more wins on his resume. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Not Josh's fault on that though...phantom holding penalty overturning a great throw to Diggs then Davis dropped an absolute monster dime on a 70 yard bomb that no only is a gimme FG from there, but they had a shot at the endzone still to win the game too if Davis catches that instead of bouncing it off his face. I think I was more sick about that drop than I was on the Hopkins hailmary loss. To see our injured QB make that throw while rolling out to his left was mind blowing. Then to see Davis drop it was sickening. Reminded me when Josh got that impossible ball to Charles Clay and he couldn't make the catch against Miami and we lost that game. Except this throw was a dime, but both should have been caught and Josh should have 2 more wins on his resume. All true, but I didn’t like the strategy. Just pick up a couple of quick first downs, move the chains and kick the field goal. Assuming you’re in field goal range and there’s still time, take a single shot for the win. While it’s of course not ALL on Josh, he’s the one getting the big bucks to win these games in the clutch. Watching Brady carve up the Rams bit by bit, to get his team across the finish line on the final drive Sunday was frustrating as a Bills fan, but is the standard of what’s expected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: All true, but I didn’t like the strategy. Just pick up a couple of quick first downs, move the chains and kick the field goal. Assuming you’re in field goal range and there’s still time, take a single shot for the win. While it’s of course not ALL on Josh, he’s the one getting the big bucks to win these games in the clutch. Watching Brady carve up the Rams bit by bit, to get his team across the finish line on the final drive Sunday was frustrating as a Bills fan, but is the standard of what’s expected. I’m just saying Josh hit Diggs, then OL holding penalty over turned it. Josh hit Davis 70 yards down field he let it bounce off his face. Josh made the plays on that last drive, his teammates let him down on that drive was just my only point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I’m just saying Josh hit Diggs, then OL holding penalty over turned it. Josh hit Davis 70 yards down field he let it bounce off his face. Josh made the plays on that last drive, his teammates let him down on that drive was just my only point. Again we agree. My problem was the plays in between the holding penalty and the long bomb. It was still 1st down after the holding penalty. Pick up the yards and move the chains. Really unfortunate ending. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 It feels like blame has to be apportioned anywhere to keep it away from Josh. He was largely at fault for Sunday and, credit to him. he owned it. I've said it before but for the first touchdown drive, the defense got off the field only for Specials Team to mess up. For the second touchdown, Josh threw an interception which gave them good field position. Basically our defense was at solely at fault for six points. I think that's fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I dunno but I feel this season slipping away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 3:16 PM, Billsfan1972 said: At least 6 quarters. Enough about points allowed, the opposition is moving the ball easily, which keeps the offense on the sidelines. Pickett a rookie had over 300 yards passing (yes a blowout, but nonetheless). Gashed by the run the last 6 quarters. No way should they allow have allowed Zach Wilson 72% completion % and the Jets to control TOP. If you look historically at TOS, you'll se that its' really not that important or a reliable indicator of who wins the game. It's just one of those things that fans talk about over and over like home field advantage, trap games, and so on. There hasn't been a home field advantage in the NFL the last 3 years; trap games don't exist; there's no data to support the concept, etc. I agree we have been gashed on the ground though! If Josh had had a normal game (and not a terrible one) we would have won, regardless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 3:16 PM, Billsfan1972 said: At least 6 quarters. Enough about points allowed, the opposition is moving the ball easily, which keeps the offense on the sidelines. Pickett a rookie had over 300 yards passing (yes a blowout, but nonetheless). Gashed by the run the last 6 quarters. No way should they allow have allowed Zach Wilson 72% completion % and the Jets to control TOP. Ed Oliver, Jordan Poyer, Matt Milano, Groot hurt towards the 2nd quarter there, That is alot to overcome for any team, yes it should be next man up but the next man up is not as good as our top players unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: Ed Oliver, Jordan Poyer, Matt Milano, Groot hurt towards the 2nd quarter there, That is alot to overcome for any team, yes it should be next man up but the next man up is not as good as our top players unfortunately. If one side of the team has issues then it's up to the other side of the team to pick it up. We barely had any issues on offense and our defense had issues. Our defense needed our offense to step up and help them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Again we agree. My problem was the plays in between the holding penalty and the long bomb. It was still 1st down after the holding penalty. Pick up the yards and move the chains. Really unfortunate ending. They picked up 18 yards on first & 20 and then imploded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: They picked up 18 yards on first & 20 and then imploded. You’ve got to be able to close. As they say, it’s hard to win in the NFL. The Bills have to get over this close-game hump if they want to reach their ultimate goal. There’s no two ways around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenDaBomb Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 The game of football is not played in a vacuum. How the defense performs affects the offense and vice versa. Personally, I think the injuries are finally starting to take their toll and opposing teams are apt to game plan around positions we lack depth and/or have inexperience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 The Bills have a good defense but not dominant. Injuries just continue to come at this team on a weekly basis and it’s very concerning. The Bills have invested heavily in the D line and rarely these past few weeks have they been imposing their will. Agree that the offense though is the primary cause for concern. EVERY game they have made self inflicted mistakes that have taken points off the board in thevRZ or given opponents the ball with a turnover inside the their own 20. MIA, BALT, KC, NYJ all had easy TD’s due to turnovers. You can’t continue to play that way and expect it not to bite you. The Bills are capable if healthy and play to their potential of winning it all but they have been consistently sloppy and undisciplined with protecting the ball this year. Sure we’re happy with 6-2 but we all know this team should be 8-0!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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